If a kid takes $50,000 or whatever in bonus money to sign with a team with it understood he is going to college first, if he decides not to play pro ball then, does he have to give the money back or he just can't play for any other team? Kingsman
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The act of signing the contract for the bonus makes him a professional baseball player and ends his eligibility to play in college.
At that point he is contractually obligated to play minor league ball for the team he signed with.
There are a handful of players who have attended college full time and played minors when not attending class. It's not common. Brad Ausmus attended Dartmouth but played in the minors. Ken Holtzman did the same at Illinois.
Kingsman posted:If a kid takes $50,000 or whatever in bonus money to sign with a team with it understood he is going to college first, if he decides not to play pro ball then, does he have to give the money back or he just can't play for any other team? Kingsman
A high school senior, either goes to college full time or signs as a professional and plays pro ball full time. Player can still attend college in the off season if he wishes.
RJM posted:There are a handful of players who have attended college full time and played minors when not attending class. It's not common. Brad Ausmus attended Dartmouth but played in the minors. Ken Holtzman did the same at Illinois.
Granted. College players can try to negotiate for accommodations to complete their degrees.
I know a young man drafted after his junior year from a high academic school where he was an excellent student who was able to negotiate be freed from his baseball obligations each of his first two years as a pro in time to attend the fall semester as a full time student and graduate only a semester later than he would have if he had not signed at all.
However, Kingsman seems to envision an unrealistic scenario involving a high school player who takes the pro money and then heads off to college with only a vague future obligation to the team that paid him. As TPM pointed out, having your cake and eating it, too, isn't one of the choices.
Keep in mind that also depends on the player when making accommodations.
50k as a signing bonus out of HS, go to college!
TPM posted:Keep in mind that also depends on the player when making accommodations.
50k as a signing bonus out of HS, go to college!
Unless you're dumber than a tree stump and not college material.
Another thread inspired me to go into GameChanger and look up my 2017's stats during his last year of LL at 12yo.
He averaged more than 2 K's per inning. WHIP and ERA were both under 1.
He's yet to throw a pitch in HS but I'm still thinking he's got to be worth at least a late-round draft choice as an RHP.
Right?
I would think Kingsman would be talking about independent ball, but I do not think there are many if any of those, types of signing bonuses, especially the lower level independent.
I am not sure that the Atlantic league, would even do that.
Independent pro ball want ball players.
JCG posted:Another thread inspired me to go into GameChanger and look up my 2017's stats during his last year of LL at 12yo.
He averaged more than 2 K's per inning. WHIP and ERA were both under 1.
He's yet to throw a pitch in HS but I'm still thinking he's got to be worth at least a late-round draft choice as an RHP.
Right?
Riiiiiiight!
If Lavar Ball thinks he can beat Michael Jordan one on one anything is potentially believeable.
Swampboy posted:The act of signing the contract for the bonus makes him a professional baseball player and ends his eligibility to play in college.
At that point he is contractually obligated to play minor league ball for the team he signed with.
I don't doubt you. But I am confused. What is happening when I read about big time college players signing with such and such a big league team? I see it often, Kingsman
Swampboy posted:RJM posted:There are a handful of players who have attended college full time and played minors when not attending class. It's not common. Brad Ausmus attended Dartmouth but played in the minors. Ken Holtzman did the same at Illinois.
Granted. College players can try to negotiate for accommodations to complete their degrees.
I know a young man drafted after his junior year from a high academic school where he was an excellent student who was able to negotiate be freed from his baseball obligations each of his first two years as a pro in time to attend the fall semester as a full time student and graduate only a semester later than he would have if he had not signed at all.
However, Kingsman seems to envision an unrealistic scenario involving a high school player who takes the pro money and then heads off to college with only a vague future obligation to the team that paid him. As TPM pointed out, having your cake and eating it, too, isn't one of the choices.
Appologies, I am ignorant of these things. That is why I go ton the forum. Really didn't envision anything except to ask the question. Thanks, Kingsman
Kingsman posted:Swampboy posted:The act of signing the contract for the bonus makes him a professional baseball player and ends his eligibility to play in college.
At that point he is contractually obligated to play minor league ball for the team he signed with.
I don't doubt you. But I am confused. What is happening when I read about big time college players signing with such and such a big league team? I see it often, Kingsman
Players who have attended college for three years or reached the age of 21 are eligible to be drafted, and that's when the best college baseball players do get drafted. When they sign, their college eligibility ends, and they begin their climb through the minor leagues.
Their bonus obliges them to keep playing for the team until they are released or traded or until the contract is fulfilled (7 years for an initial contract after being drafted).
TPM posted:Keep in mind that also depends on the player when making accommodations.
50k as a signing bonus out of HS, go to college!
That raises another question: How common is a $20,000 signing bonus or even a $10,000 bonus? Kingsman
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/...g-and-bonus-tracker/
The link above will list the slot value and the actual bonus, but only for the first 10 rounds. After round 10, teams are penalized (fined) for amounts over $125,000 (I think this is the new amount this year), but you will see a lot of college seniors go for $1000 or $2000, since they don't have the leverage the college juniors do.
So, $10k, 20K, and less is very common, especially in the later rounds, for college seniors. You will also see a drastic dip in many bonuses in rounds 8-10 (where teams will also pick seniors), so they stay within their slot amounts (their budget).
I believe all rounds for slot amount and signing amount are available on Baseball America's site.
Here's something I wasn't aware of...local kid drafted late 2015...signed and pitched in the minors remainder of 2015 and all of 2016...then released...now on the roster of a top D2 college. I believe his signing bonus was around $25K.
Was not aware released minor leaguers could return and play in college. I'm assuming this is not allowed at D1 level?
bigcubbiefan posted:Here's something I wasn't aware of...local kid drafted late 2015...signed and pitched in the minors remainder of 2015 and all of 2016...then released...now on the roster of a top D2 college. I believe his signing bonus was around $25K.
Was not aware released minor leaguers could return and play in college. I'm assuming this is not allowed at D1 level?
Sure he's not playing another sport, like football, in college?
