College camps or really want you to ?

'Not sure I get this list. Vandy, Stanford and (maybe) NC, I get. They are high academic schools. However ASU, Miami, CSF? You could just as easily substitute 20 more schools in those spots (e.g. Arkansas, Mississipi St., Oregon St., Arizona). Note, too, that these and a handful of others represent a large proportion of the early commits anyway.'

Roothog is correct. The list is clearly debatable and you could substitute other schools. But once again of the approx 300 NCAA D-1 programs, this is a very short list. UCLA , USC these are big baseball programs at schools with incredibly low acceptance rates. Stanford, UCLA being a the top of the food chain academically. When these schools offer. You go.

The larger point I was trying to make is that unless its an elite baseball factory or life changing school w/big program there is NO point in committing for a 2019. Just my opinion

StrainedOblique posted:

'Not sure I get this list. Vandy, Stanford and (maybe) NC, I get. They are high academic schools. However ASU, Miami, CSF? You could just as easily substitute 20 more schools in those spots (e.g. Arkansas, Mississipi St., Oregon St., Arizona). Note, too, that these and a handful of others represent a large proportion of the early commits anyway.'

Roothog is correct. The list is clearly debatable and you could substitute other schools. But once again of the approx 300 NCAA D-1 programs, this is a very short list. UCLA , USC these are big baseball programs at schools with incredibly low acceptance rates. Stanford, UCLA being a the top of the food chain academically. When these schools offfer. You go.

The larger point I was trying to make is that unless its an elite baseball factory or life changing school w/big program there is NO point in committing for a 2019. Just my opinion

so your saying if Louisville ,sends me a note to attend their camp, I should then ?lol

Louisville has been one of the schools extremely active with 2018's so far.

Roothog is right -- Louisvile has 8 commits from 2018s.

Since your son is a 2019, you might consider a camp at San Diego State -- they have two 2019 commits (two of the five California 2019s that have committed). 

which Bird? Cards of REdbirds?

c2019 posted:

StrainedOblique posted:

'Not sure I get this list. Vandy, Stanford and (maybe) NC, I get. They are high academic schools. However ASU, Miami, CSF? You could just as easily substitute 20 more schools in those spots (e.g. Arkansas, Mississipi St., Oregon St., Arizona). Note, too, that these and a handful of others represent a large proportion of the early commits anyway.'

Roothog is correct. The list is clearly debatable and you could substitute other schools. But once again of the approx 300 NCAA D-1 programs, this is a very short list. UCLA , USC these are big baseball programs at schools with incredibly low acceptance rates. Stanford, UCLA being a the top of the food chain academically. When these schools offfer. You go.

The larger point I was trying to make is that unless its an elite baseball factory or life changing school w/big program there is NO point in committing for a 2019. Just my opinion

so your saying if Louisville ,sends me a note to attend their camp, I should then ?lol

Well, YES  if your are working on recruiting for a 2019, ACC, SEC, Pac-12 are seemingly schools where one would seriously consider an early commit for a 2019. You also need to factor in whether or not your son has any interest in attending the University if he was to be offered. I mean if he doesn't have any interest in living in Louisville then you would pass, but at his age he probably doesn't know what he wants. So, it may be about checking out the city, campus while attending camp.

 

There is plenty camps out there but your son should attend because your son may learn something from the coaches and get a chance to visit the campus, then if someday one of those schools offers your son, then he will not have to visit.  Sending out videos to get invites to some of the better programs at this time is not productive, unless you have all the money in the world to spend.

You do not have to attend a camp to get recruited, even the coaches will tell you that. Once again, your son has to get out there and PLAY at the next level, make the HS team, join a very good travel team that will travel nationally and attend top tournaments for exposure.  But first let your son grow up a bit and let him decide where he wants to attend (what geographically are of the country) and what degree he wants to pursue.  Be careful what you wish for, many of those very large D1 programs are NOT for everyone.

I know of a few players who attended every camp in the state year after year and still never got scholarships to those programs, so keep that in mind.

Admittedly, my son has only been to a handful of college camps (five), but none of them included any kind of instruction at all.

Camps are money makers 99% of the time . I know a player that was camper of the week award at elite D1 . He will never be recruited by them . If you are what they are looking for they will contact you and you will know.

> On Dec 3, 2015, at 4:53 PM, HS Baseball Web <alerts@hoop.la> wrote:
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I agree on the camps comments.  My 2016 went to 6 camps and did not receive instruction at any of them.   From what 2106 told me the players were not there for instruction,  they were there to be recruited (hopefully).   All the conversation in the dugouts during an 11 inning game with 5 batters per side was about who was talking to what school (at the last camp).  

Its interesting, I think there are two recruiting streams.  One that's for "regular" college baseball recruits that are recruited between Jr and Sr year and commit as they start Sr year of HS - in some of these cases they are recruited earlier but commit sometime before or as they enter sr yr of HS.   And then you have your elite or "stud" players.  They seem to commit much, much earlier - in some cases as early as c2019s son (meaning only they commit as early as that year).  

c2109 - I don't see any reason for your son to attend college camps at this stage of the game.  Give him some time to see what position he ends up with in HS.   If he's converted to pitcher and does well that opens up a whole new world of opportunity for him.  If his HS coach is anything like our HS coach it won't be long before your 2019 is pitching.   

I agree that most college camps are pretty poor. However many of the camps from the elite power schools are pretty good.  The big three D1 here have great camp programs. I mean you are talking Mike Martin, Jim Morris and Kevin O'Sullivan and their staff along with scouts giving instruction.

 

TPM posted:

I agree that most college camps are pretty poor. However many of the camps from the elite power schools are pretty good.  The big three D1 here have great camp programs. I mean you are talking Mike Martin, Jim Morris and Kevin O'Sullivan and their staff along with scouts giving instruction.

 

Most colleges offer two kinds of camps - those for instruction and what they will bill as "prospect camps." I've never had my son at the former type, only the latter. The prospect camps generally aren't meant for instruction.

My experience may be different, but my 2018 hasn't attended prospect camp that didn't result in serious recruiting communications. All but one he attended blindly (without prior communication with coaches excepting that he emailed that he would be there and offered video/stats). However, I think this is only a workable situation if you have the kind of numbers that standout by class. I also have to admit that my son is 6' 4" and sits 86-87 so I'm not blind to the fact that these are particulars that not every kid at a camp offers.

roothog66 posted:

TPM posted:

I agree that most college camps are pretty poor. However many of the camps from the elite power schools are pretty good.  The big three D1 here have great camp programs. I mean you are talking Mike Martin, Jim Morris and Kevin O'Sullivan and their staff along with scouts giving instruction.

 

Most colleges offer two kinds of camps - those for instruction and what they will bill as "prospect camps." I've never had my son at the former type, only the latter. The prospect camps generally aren't meant for instruction.

My experience may be different, but my 2018 hasn't attended prospect camp that didn't result in serious recruiting communications. All but one he attended blindly (without prior communication with coaches excepting that he emailed that he would be there and offered video/stats). However, I think this is only a workable situation if you have the kind of numbers that standout by class. I also have to admit that my son is 6' 4" and sits 86-87 so I'm not blind to the fact that these are particulars that not every kid at a camp offers.

I wouldn't send my player to a prospect camp unless it made sense, perhaps junior year or senior year if not committed or signed as a senior.

roothog66 posted:

Originally Posted by TPM:

Originally Posted by bacdorslider:

I would not bother with any camps.... might go to a PG event... is he hitting 89 or sitting 89 ? big difference...  Also, learn from my mistakes, don't go and parade him around to every showcase and camp like I did with 2014...

 

That will just wear him thin and you'll end up wasting money... 

 

If he is a 2019 RHP topping 89  does he have control off off speed?  Where does he sit ?  what are the velo's on the off speed, How tall is he, what is his body type, projection.... these are the reasons they want to see him play, and they want to see him play in a game against like competition to see if he is a competitor, knows how to pitch ( for his age)  , they will watch him at a showcase and take your money but would rather see him play when it matters. 

 

The same is true if he is a third baseman... that velo is great across the infield but if you are on the corners you have to mash the ball.  You may not get a ball hit at you all game, but you will bat.

 

Poo poo the camps and showcases, except PG and get on a good travel team, work hard, send out your schedules , let your travel coach sell him.  Sit back and enjoy.

He never said that his son was a pitcher.  In another topic he said he was a catcher and 3B position player.  Here he stated that his velocity is 89 and posted his bat exit velocity.   

I asked if the velo came from the mound.

Probably hasn't answered me because I am in the wait until you play a HS game corner and I am not telling him what he wants to hear.

Why is everyone assuming the velo is from the mound? I want to know if he can pitch.

 

 

I made the same mistake. When you see a velo posted with no other stats, the only thought is usually pitching. That sort of changes everything. I would assume that's from third (if it's from F2, forget the commitments, he'll be in the show by the time he's 19). Impressive, but needs a bat to go along with it it's a useless number. If he were a SS it would be slightly different. I would also assume, though, if he's 89 across the diamond, he's got a good pop time from behind the dish.

Pop time soon to come . 

Back foot over rotating causing an unbalanced finish of the swing.  A normal cause is too early of an opening of the stride foot causing hips to open early, and whip the shoulders through and back foot follows with an over rotation. This results in a early release of power and produces an off balance swing.  

I'd spend the money to find a hitting instructor that can see this and correct it before I spent any money on any camp or showcase.  

Plan to then attend a regional college prospect camp in the fall of his soph year for the experience only.  It will help prepare for the camps the summer before his junior year.  If your son is advanced physically and has the advanced skills to match your son could get noticed.  It's likely your club program coach's can advise you about what they're seeing with your son's skill set and size.  Checking out Perfect Game profiles will assist you greatly.  

Continued skill development and strength/speed training are the best way for you to invest and support your son right now.  The journey of camps and showcases is expensive and can be unproductive if started too early.

My .02,

David

Good advice.  Get some good instruction vs camp, camp camp because you think some coach is going to take notice to a player that hasnt played one HS game.

Sometimes we tend to think that our bigger, and a slight bit older player is far above the rest because he dominates.  Then two or three years into HS many have caught up.  

2019 you need to sit back and let the process take over. How your sons skills match up to the rest of his class nationally rather than regionally is important.

Personally I wouldn't post any more videos if its to show off your sons skills because he does need to improve.

Good advice

> On Dec 5, 2015, at 7:37 PM, HS Baseball Web <alerts@hoop.la> wrote:
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Wow , thanks TPm your the best ! .  

c2019 posted:

Wow , thanks TPm your the best ! .  

That's TPM.  If you are really listening, you are welcome.

roothog66 posted:

Louisville has been one of the schools extremely active with 2018's so far.

Louisville is now an ACC school, within distances to SEC programs.  They have to recruit the very best in their region because of competition.  Not sure if recruiting that early proves anything other than you are up there trying to keep up with the Jones.  You have to show players you are all in.  

Most players do attend regional programs. Maybe 2019 is looking for an early commitment to a Midwest program. If so, attend all the camps you want, but if it were my son and the stud he feels he is, that's not going to help you get into one of the top elite programs in these country.