College Fall Baseball - 2017

For the new D3 parents, the fall season ("Nontraditional Segment") has the following NCAA limitations:
- maximum duration of five weeks
- maximum of 16 days of official practice/games
- one day of competition against another school (max two games)

Yeah, you're probably going to wish there was more.

NYdad2017 posted:
PlayWithEffort posted:

Good luck to everyone this fall. 

If you don't mind me asking, how big have the rosters been for the fall season? Are the fall roster sizes matching your expectations so far? 

I understand that it will vary by school but I'm curious as to whether you had some expectation going in and whether that lines up with what your player is facing?

 

I saw that Arkansas, which was mentioned in another post, has 43 on their roster. Though 3 freshmen PO's are already listed as R/S

That's one of the larger roster sizes I have seen in the SEC so far. Most that I've looked at have been around 34-38 or so. Granted, I only checked a few SEC and maybe an ACC team or two. 

Arkansas just hired a new recruiting coordinator (Thompson) this year who is replacing Vitello who took the Tennessee job. It will be interesting to see if they bring that many players in the next class or not. 

They also had some upperclassmen return instead of going in the draft but I don't know if that would have impacted their numbers for the fall.

Just thinking out loud here...

Ok, I guess one last random thought . I wonder how many of those may be trying to walk on? 

 

PlayWithEffort posted:
NYdad2017 posted:
PlayWithEffort posted:

Good luck to everyone this fall. 

If you don't mind me asking, how big have the rosters been for the fall season? Are the fall roster sizes matching your expectations so far? 

I understand that it will vary by school but I'm curious as to whether you had some expectation going in and whether that lines up with what your player is facing?

 

I saw that Arkansas, which was mentioned in another post, has 43 on their roster. Though 3 freshmen PO's are already listed as R/S

That's one of the larger roster sizes I have seen in the SEC so far. Most that I've looked at have been around 34-38 or so. Granted, I only checked a few SEC and maybe an ACC team or two. 

Arkansas just hired a new recruiting coordinator (Thompson) this year who is replacing Vitello who took the Tennessee job. It will be interesting to see if they bring that many players in the next class or not. 

They also had some upperclassmen return instead of going in the draft but I don't know if that would have impacted their numbers for the fall.

Just thinking out loud here...

Ok, I guess one last random thought . I wonder how many of those may be trying to walk on? 

 

Clarification questions - At what point does the roster get whittled down to 35?  More importantly, what is the exact status of a player if they fail to make the 35 man roster?  Are they prohibited from any and all team activities including coach run conditioning?  Also, as for R/S, my understanding is that a kid with any amount of athletic scholarship is "automatically" on the roster (or at least counted as one of the 35 max).  Is there any limit as to how many players can participate in the fall team activities before the cut?

D1 rosters during the championship season cannot exceed 35. That includes RS players. They are all allowed to practice with the team.

Some of those players with scholarships may not make the team for becoming ineligible, it's inevitable that this happens in all programs.

If you see 43 on a D1 roster, just remember only 27 can have athletic scholarships, everyone else is a walk on, even those with academic scholarships.  Some coaches like big fall rosters, breeds competition.

If you don't make the spring roster, you are off the team.

my D3 school has 61 guys on the full roster, broke us up into V and JV practice rosters. 35 guys on the V roster (me included ) 16 pitchers and the rest position guys, let me tell you being a PO at most high schools doesn't prepare you for the practices you will have to go through in college, weve been practicing for a week and ive already done more than i did all throughout hs at practices, lots of running and arm care plus bullpens every few days or so. arm is a bit shot after throwing about 80 innings spring and summer combined but still competing to the best of my ability! throwing live for the first time tomorrow to real college hitters, should be fun!

LHP2017 posted:

my D3 school has 61 guys on the full roster, broke us up into V and JV practice rosters. 35 guys on the V roster (me included ) 16 pitchers and the rest position guys, let me tell you being a PO at most high schools doesn't prepare you for the practices you will have to go through in college, weve been practicing for a week and ive already done more than i did all throughout hs at practices, lots of running and arm care plus bullpens every few days or so. arm is a bit shot after throwing about 80 innings spring and summer combined but still competing to the best of my ability! throwing live for the first time tomorrow to real college hitters, should be fun!

update on this : first outing was a success! threw 2 innings went 6 up 6 down with one backwards K from a fastball on the black. faced two of our top returning hitters and forced them both to ground out, no hard hit balls either so was a solid start to the intrasquad series we are heading into next few weeks! still getting acclimated to the intensity of practices but its getting better everyday!

#1 Assistant Coach posted:

Question: seeing a lot of 2017 commitments showing up this week on PG site.   Are these true Walk-Ons who have made the fall roster?  Kids who got in the school on their own thru admissions and now have been officially invited to try out for the fall?

Just curious.  

Seeing more 2017s committing to Power-5 programs past couple days on PG commitment page.   

Can Anyone cinfirm my theory above?   Only thing I can think of.  

#1 Assistant Coach posted:
#1 Assistant Coach posted:

Question: seeing a lot of 2017 commitments showing up this week on PG site.   Are these true Walk-Ons who have made the fall roster?  Kids who got in the school on their own thru admissions and now have been officially invited to try out for the fall?

Just curious.  

Seeing more 2017s committing to Power-5 programs past couple days on PG commitment page.   

Can Anyone cinfirm my theory above?   Only thing I can think of.  

Maybe, maybe not. I just think people think these programs have tied up their players years ahead. 

Reality is that these programs will have a lot more than 35 in fall practice.

Well, the 2 week official fall season is over at my kid's school.  All I heard from him was "I'm pretty happy about how well I played."  I'm taking that to mean "I did extremely well."  I guess we'll see soon enough.  It can't be very easy for players to establish themselves in such a brief time frame. Ditto for the coaches in projecting what roles they'll be playing.

Our official fall season just started on Sunday. today they have lifting and conditioning testing.  The boys have been informally working out together and scrimmaging amongst themselves for the past three weeks.  I’ve heard only positives, so hopeful for him. This weekend the team will host a scrimmage as part of parent’s weekend — so it will be fun to watch him throw an inning or two.

One thing I like... The coaches sit the players down in early October at the end of fall baseball to tell them where they stand heading into the spring and what is required/must be worked on during the winter. I’m sure that is quite common, but still think its good for the kids to know early where they stand.

Good luck to all freshman over the next couple weeks/months as they show their stuff and make an impression. Exciting and nerve racking times.

Great hearing players are doing well and enjoying the experiences.  Don't lose sight of the overall picture though.  Yes there will be players better than you, yes you will be better than some players.  Whatever the outcome give 100%.  Practice, workout and carry yourself on and off the field like somebody is watching you, because in reality it is probably true.  Keep your head up during those frustrating and not so good days.  Coaches and others notice how well you handle the good times as well as the bad ones.  Whether you make the starting 9, become a role player, or even a travel squad, enjoy the game and what it brings.  You will know when it is time to move on, but until that day comes, have fun!

PlayWithEffort posted:

Good luck to everyone this fall. 

If you don't mind me asking, how big have the rosters been for the fall season? Are the fall roster sizes matching your expectations so far? 

I understand that it will vary by school but I'm curious as to whether you had some expectation going in and whether that lines up with what your player is facing?

 

42 in camp this fall.   Lots of competition 

TPM posted:

D1 rosters during the championship season cannot exceed 35. That includes RS players. They are all allowed to practice with the team.

Some of those players with scholarships may not make the team for becoming ineligible, it's inevitable that this happens in all programs.

If you see 43 on a D1 roster, just remember only 27 can have athletic scholarships, everyone else is a walk on, even those with academic scholarships.  Some coaches like big fall rosters, breeds competition.

If you don't make the spring roster, you are off the team.

To TPM's point I have seen the cut down to 35 handled all sorts of ways. The programs who do it right IMO make it clear to kids after fall that they don't have a role for them or their role will be limited.  Allows plenty of first and sometimes second year kids transfer (most often to juco) at semester. 

However I have seen several have 38-40 come back in Spring which I do have an issue with. Realistically only the top 25 or so play each Spring so no reason to split hairs on back end of roster

This from the D1 perspective 

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