About what I would expect for baseball. A little surprised how far some of the others are.
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Thanks for posting. Lots of interesting stuff posted at that Twitter account.
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Thanks for this
Interesting....we have talked about how close a lot of the kids on my son's team are to home. He is at a mid-major here in Ohio. 1 kid from Florida....903 miles, 1 from Indiana....203 miles and the rest are less than 100 miles. When the freshmen get here this fall, we'll probably have a dozen that are less than 50 miles. 2 of them less than 3 minutes 
Wow, very interesting. I mentioned this as an often overlooked factor the other day in the thread about the necessity of travel ball. If the majority of players end up in their own back yard, this lessens the need to join a travel club that bounces all over the country.
The gymnastics number just blows me away. I mean, the country is only a little more than 2,000 miles across. On average, those student athletes go half way? I'm sure someone here has more insight. I would guess that the location/density of training facilities and of competing schools have to be a big factor but I can't help think of the "Dance moms" show and how maybe those kids are dying to get far, far away 
cabbagedad posted:The gymnastics number just blows me away. I mean, the country is only a little more than 2,000 miles across. On average, those student athletes go half way? I'm sure someone here has more insight. I would guess that the location/density of training facilities and of competing schools have to be a big factor but I can't help think of the "Dance moms" show and how maybe those kids are dying to get far, far away
I'll take a shot. There are only 15 D1 men's gymnastics teams, so it's a much smaller sample size than other sports. Three are military academies; those kids are from all over the country. Plus Stanford, who recruits nationally.
Cabbage has a great point, and what would likely reinforce his position even further would be to take out the California and Florida players data, who probably skew the results as those players are all over the country. Great add to the HSSBW recruiting theorem(s): "Look hard in your backyard first."
BOF posted:Cabbage has a great point, and what would likely reinforce his position even further would be to take out the California and Florida players data, who probably skew the results as those players are all over the country. Great add to the HSSBW recruiting theorem(s): "Look hard in your backyard first."
True, but CA reinforces the position too. I just looked at the rosters of UCLA and CAL - 4 out-of-state and 1 Canadian kid total between two. The rest are home grown.
Just did a quick calculation. Son's team average is 86 miles including the FL kid. Take him away and it's 57.
JCG posted:BOF posted:Cabbage has a great point, and what would likely reinforce his position even further would be to take out the California and Florida players data, who probably skew the results as those players are all over the country. Great add to the HSSBW recruiting theorem(s): "Look hard in your backyard first."
True, but CA reinforces the position too. I just looked at the rosters of UCLA and CAL - 4 out-of-state and 1 Canadian kid total between two. The rest are home grown.
And on the opposite end of the spectrum....Vandy
Florida - 4, Tennessee - 11, Illinois - 2, Ohio 2, Georgia 2, Massachusetts 2, and 1 each from Texas, Michigan, California, Indiana, North Carolina, Kansas, Wisconsin, Alabama and Washington
College coach said during a lecture hall type meeting "Open up a map, find your house, now draw a circle approximately 2 hours away from your house. Get a list of all colleges that are within that circle because there is a 95% chance your kid is going to college within that circle."
I think this is really an interesting topic. So other than top programs (Vandy for example), how much of this is driven by recruiting budgets (or lack there of) as well as financial constraints of families to travel outside close geographic region. I think you also have to factor in population density (such as JCG pointed out with Cali kids at UCLA and Cal) and number of colleges in those locations etc. Could break this down in many different ways but is interesting for sure.
In-State vs Out of State Tuition is a huge difference maker
3and2Fastball posted:In-State vs Out of State Tuition is a huge difference maker
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FriarFred posted:I think this is really an interesting topic. So other than top programs (Vandy for example), how much of this is driven by recruiting budgets (or lack there of) as well as financial constraints of families to travel outside close geographic region. I think you also have to factor in population density (such as JCG pointed out with Cali kids at UCLA and Cal) and number of colleges in those locations etc. Could break this down in many different ways but is interesting for sure.
Great point.....consider Vandy....a 3 hour drive from Lake Point. Heck, their coaches could run down for a day of any of the WWBA tourneys and be back in their own bed that night. Not an option for schools too much further than that. I'm not sure my son's school has a recruiting budget lol. This year's incoming class includes 5 kids who are all within 50 miles or so of the school (2 are 3 miles away).....and a JUCO kid that one of our current players knew.
3and2Fastball posted:In-State vs Out of State Tuition is a huge difference maker
Many neighboring states have deals with each other to give kids in-state tuition pricing.
3and2Fastball posted:In-State vs Out of State Tuition is a huge difference maker
The same is true, at least in CA. for the public universities. 25% for an out of State tuition in the UC system is over twice the allocation for a .25 for a California player. Especially at a school like Cal, with athletic budgets under very close scrutiny, they are rarely going out of State because of the cost hit to their baseball budget.
CaCO3Girl posted:3and2Fastball posted:In-State vs Out of State Tuition is a huge difference maker
Many neighboring states have deals with each other to give kids in-state tuition pricing.
Very true. Minnesota & Wisconsin have that in place. You tend to see a vast majority of D3 & Juco players from Wisconsin playing in either Wisconsin or Minnesota for that very reason
JCG posted:BOF posted:Cabbage has a great point, and what would likely reinforce his position even further would be to take out the California and Florida players data, who probably skew the results as those players are all over the country. Great add to the HSSBW recruiting theorem(s): "Look hard in your backyard first."
True, but CA reinforces the position too. I just looked at the rosters of UCLA and CAL - 4 out-of-state and 1 Canadian kid total between two. The rest are home grown.
Strong programs in a large metropolitan area like Southern California (also a baseball hotbed) makes it easy on the recruiting budget for a team like UCLA. As I stated in another thread, I am currently at Headfirst in Long Island with my son. Vandy is here and so is Texas. Vandy I get, they recruit nationally. But Texas is a different story, they only have like 4-5 guys from outside Texas on the roster (California, Nevada, Florida, Louisiana and even one Mexico player). We scratched our head seeing Texas here.
cabbagedad posted:Wow, very interesting. I mentioned this as an often overlooked factor the other day in the thread about the necessity of travel ball. If the majority of players end up in their own back yard, this lessens the need to join a travel club that bounces all over the country.
The gymnastics number just blows me away. I mean, the country is only a little more than 2,000 miles across. On average, those student athletes go half way? I'm sure someone here has more insight. I would guess that the location/density of training facilities and of competing schools have to be a big factor but I can't help think of the "Dance moms" show and how maybe those kids are dying to get far, far away
There are very few men's gymnastics teams -- only about 15 in D1. I think that's the biggest factor. Same with the other sports at the top of the list.