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So I'm talking to my son -- who decided to hang them up before fall ball started this past year -- about many things baseball related  --  what to do about the lousy Giants, the College World Series, eventually getting around to remembering the highlights and lowlights of his own baseball journey.  At some point, he starts talking about how much he misses it -- like on  a daily basis.  There is obviously a  big hole in his life where baseball used to be.  

 I mostly just bit my tongue and listened.  I did think to myself that he really should  never have hung them up willingly.  That's not something I ever imagined in a million years he would do.  Always thought of him as "a cold dead hands" type when it came to somebody taking the bat out of his hands.  But he did.

That's water under the bridge.  But it became clear to me, as he talked and I listen, how much of a struggle and a challenge that first year really was for him, how he struggled to cope with an entirely different level of demand, feedback, expectation, competition, coaching,  etc.  It's not that didn't perform well in his limited opportunities.  He did.  But he still seems to have felt sort of like spare change.  

I wanted to say to him that the first year is often hard on players and that those who stick it out and fight through it, can often end up having great experiences.   Too late for him to benefit from that thought.  But for those just starting the college journey,  I hope your player is ready for the possibility of a higher than heretofore experienced degree of uncertainty.    How they cope with that first year can be a huge big deal. 

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This strikes me as one of the most honest, truthful, and realistic posts I've ever read here; one that couldn't have been easy to compose. When one lays out the bare truth like this, though, it comes from a deeply caring place for the welfare of others who might come behind it and benefit from its truth. All who do benefit from it should be grateful to Sluggerdad for laying it out there.

I've always felt that the step from high school to college baseball was indescribably immense; one of those life experiences that had to be lived in order to be fully appreciated. However, Sluggerdad's post comes pretty darned close to capturing it.

Meanwhile, all the best to Sluggerdad's son; as he navigates the new path he has chosen. Something I hope he'll keep in mind as he goes along is that there are many ways to continue to contribute to and participate in the game without necessarily lacing up the cleats. Anyone who misses it every day should be able to channel that love and passion for the game into other means of involvement in it. 

 

There are certain posts that should be a "must read" for players and parents who's kids are heading into their first year of college, and college baseball. This is one of them. 

The first year of college is hard; new surroundings, having to live with a stranger, new food, harder classes, new freedoms, new responsibilities,  no one to help keep you on track, girls, alcohol, etc.  It's hard without baseball.

Now add in baseball; competing with "huge hairy men", everyone is an all-star, mandatory morning workouts, daily practice, travel,  new coaches, new teammates, injuries, etc. 

Add it all up, I am amazed there are so many kids, playing college baseball. There is a reason so many drop by the time they are seniors. Thanks for the post Sluggerdad. 

We are at Headfirst camp today, and this was the theme of coach Frawley and Sullivan's talk. Coach Frawley (from Yale) talked about the uniqueness of college baseball -- there's no "safety net". When you grow up, you go through t-ball, A ball, AA, AAA, coast, major, travel; when you get to HS, you go through Freshmen, JV, V; even if you go to MLB, you go through rookie league, A, AA, AAA. Only in college, Freshmen is thrown into the mix with 3 year / 4 year veterans. Frawley joked that some college players, with full beard and bald head, look older than himself. It's very tough for the freshmen.

Headfirst founder Sullivan talked about his story after Frawley's talk. He was recruited to Stanford as a RHP throwing 83mph. The freshmen year, he was the last pitcher on the depth chart and often ridiculed by the audience since his only time on the field was to drag the infield. However, he persevered and eventually got drafted and played up to AA. 

I know they were trying to give a dose of reality to the aspiring players, but I think they genuinely scared half of the campers. 

Great post! I recall the feeling with my oldest son who hung up his football cleats after one year - it was hard for us. Fortunately for him he remained close to the team (part of the fraternity) and he absolutely loved the school he chose (the broken leg test was passed). He's always said he had no regrets - sometimes I wonder, but it was his decision without us supplying "input" either way.

One need only attend a senior day (or even look the news article for any school you're considering) to realize how hard it is to last 4 (or 5) years. When my younger two boys were F - the last home game festivities included perhaps 5-8 players. That's a small percentage of the initial Freshman class.  Reasons for leaving are aplenty, but it is very hard to stick it out. When you're being recruited you are the next best thing, but once you're there you are just another piece of a puzzle and the coach's focus changes to two things - winning and recruiting the next best thing. It's up to you to find your place, fit in, or get left behind. Something that never happened to you in HS or Travel ball where you were probably always considered one of the best for the team.

Excellent post.

I was talking to a friend recently.  He made it to AAA.  We are not THAT far removed from baseball, but he has moved on and has no interest in being involved in the game at this point.  My inkling is that he experienced baseball as a job, and he ended is career not seeing baseball as "fun", leaving a bitter taste in his mouth.

The first year college experience can be much the same - demanding academics, early morning weight training, long road trips, playing against grown men, being at the bottom of the totem pole. It feels like a job, and it takes the right mental attitude to remember that baseball is a game.

I was lucky to have ended my career playing for a college summer league (not of a nationally known, Cape Cod League caliber) where baseball was fun and the team was a great group of guys.  Much less of a "pressure cooker" than the college season.  This is driving my desire to still be involved in baseball, unlike my buddy that ended his career at AAA.

Superb post.  My son just completed his freshman year and it took a toll.  He is transferring and just now getting back his acceptance letters and choosing to begin a new journey.  He will still play but closer to home this time.  Everything you wrote should be mandatory reading for parents and players.  It takes a lot of mental, physical and emotional maturity to ride the college baseball roller coaster and folks should know what they are getting into.  Once again this community has brought to light a truth about baseball that isn't often discussed elsewhere as most folks only tend to tell the glorious side of things.

Thank You SluggerDad for your courage and concern for others.

This post comes at an opportune time for me.  In exactly 2 months my 2017 will be leaving for college.  I have talked to him some about the academic challenges he will be facing. Frankly, he's been on cruise control for the past year and that's not going to cut it.  He's going to have to get a whole new attitude, and then some, to survive where he's headed. I think he knows that. I hope so!

As for baseball, right now the kid is struggling.  I can honestly say that I have never seen him go through a batting slump at any level as protracted as the one he's battling through right now.  It's been tough to watch, and it's been very tough on him, but I'm starting to think that it's the best thing that could happen at the best possible time. Nobody's watching and there's really nothing at stake, so he can learn from the experience without any cost, except to his confidence and his ego.

For a couple weeks I think he assumed he'd get through it if he just kept hacking.  He'd see faster pitchers, or get better pitches to hit, or the odds would even out.  But he kept working on it, trying to tweak his swing and his approach.  He'd  go to the cage with a friend or two. But as he continues to struggle, that is changing. Yesterday he had a day off from work and went to the cage, alone, just him and his tee and his bucket, stayed for a long time, came home for lunch, then went back to the cage, and then had a game and played well.  I think it's sinking in that it's 100% all on him, he's the only one (not counting family) who really cares about his success, and he's the only one who can work it out .  I think that's a pretty good idea for him to latch onto as he heads off to college.

JCG posted:

This post comes at an opportune time for me.  In exactly 2 months my 2017 will be leaving for college.  I have talked to him some about the academic challenges he will be facing. Frankly, he's been on cruise control for the past year and that's not going to cut it.  He's going to have to get a whole new attitude, and then some, to survive where he's headed. I think he knows that. I hope so!

As for baseball, right now the kid is struggling.  I can honestly say that I have never seen him go through a batting slump at any level as protracted as the one he's battling through right now.  It's been tough to watch, and it's been very tough on him, but I'm starting to think that it's the best thing that could happen at the best possible time. Nobody's watching and there's really nothing at stake, so he can learn from the experience without any cost, except to his confidence and his ego.

For a couple weeks I think he assumed he'd get through it if he just kept hacking.  He'd see faster pitchers, or get better pitches to hit, or the odds would even out.  But he kept working on it, trying to tweak his swing and his approach.  He'd  go to the cage with a friend or two. But as he continues to struggle, that is changing. Yesterday he had a day off from work and went to the cage, alone, just him and his tee and his bucket, stayed for a long time, came home for lunch, then went back to the cage, and then had a game and played well.  I think it's sinking in that it's 100% all on him, he's the only one (not counting family) who really cares about his success, and he's the only one who can work it out .  I think that's a pretty good idea for him to latch onto as he heads off to college.

My 2017 will be headed to Virginia Tech and try and make the club team. And like your son, he was on complete academic cruise control his last year of HS. I'm concerned that his upcoming reality check can be taken in stride and not lead to an academic hole in the ground! Glad to hear your son is committed to working through his prolonged slump.  As you noted, in the end, the drive and hard work needed to overcome and succeed has to come from him.

My son joined a top men's wood bat league team and has gotten the nod to be the starting catcher much of the time. Fortunately, he's really embraced the wood bat, far more than I could have hoped, and he's hitting well. The competition he's faced is very mixed but last night his team played an undefeated (and huge) team LOADED with talent. Intense baseball and a great way to get ready for club team tryouts at VT. He's having a blast.

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JCG posted:

This post comes at an opportune time for me.  In exactly 2 months my 2017 will be leaving for college.  I have talked to him some about the academic challenges he will be facing. Frankly, he's been on cruise control for the past year and that's not going to cut it.  He's going to have to get a whole new attitude, and then some, to survive where he's headed. I think he knows that. I hope so!

As for baseball, right now the kid is struggling.  I can honestly say that I have never seen him go through a batting slump at any level as protracted as the one he's battling through right now.  It's been tough to watch, and it's been very tough on him, but I'm starting to think that it's the best thing that could happen at the best possible time. Nobody's watching and there's really nothing at stake, so he can learn from the experience without any cost, except to his confidence and his ego.

For a couple weeks I think he assumed he'd get through it if he just kept hacking.  He'd see faster pitchers, or get better pitches to hit, or the odds would even out.  But he kept working on it, trying to tweak his swing and his approach.  He'd  go to the cage with a friend or two. But as he continues to struggle, that is changing. Yesterday he had a day off from work and went to the cage, alone, just him and his tee and his bucket, stayed for a long time, came home for lunch, then went back to the cage, and then had a game and played well.  I think it's sinking in that it's 100% all on him, he's the only one (not counting family) who really cares about his success, and he's the only one who can work it out .  I think that's a pretty good idea for him to latch onto as he heads off to college.

WOW, there's a goldie !!!               ...but it's just a bucket of balls 

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Sounds like fun, Batty.  I have a niece who is a Hokie BTW and she LOVED it there.

I have a love-hate thing going with wood bats right now. My kid's team plays wood only, often against teams swinging BBCOR, and as the kid has been struggling, a LOT of outs he's made would be hits with BBCOR - the  deep fly that the OF barely got to, the flare that would have dropped past the F4,  the hard grounder up the  middle that would have gotten through. Plus all these kids will be playing with BBCOR for the next few years.  OTOH, wood does teach players to really square it up if they are going to make it work. And we have a couple of pitchers who are very good at turning opposition bats into firewood, so that's fun.

Speaking of which... last week, kid had a tough game - went oh-fer.  Afterwards, he says "at least I didn't have a day as bad as Bobby"  I say why. He says "Bobby broke two $140 bats in the same at bat."  A couple of days later I happen to see Bobby at our local Dick's while I'm waiting at the register. Bobby is trying to return his two wood bats, both of which are in pieces.  I'm thinking, poor dumb kid.  But they took both bats back and gave him new ones. What the heck!?

My son could have played D3, and had interest, but I think he just wanted the big in-state experience and his old man is a VT alum and I've been singing its praises for years! I hope he makes the club team, which is very competitive (that is the universal truth we keep hearing). But I do think he'll be as ready as he can realistically be. And he's really having fun.

I used to hate wood bat, but "knock on wood," his current bat is still going strong and I'm starting to like it. Yes, just last night he hit a rocket low LD deep to the SS hole, who made a great backside grab but rushed the throw and son ROE. BBCOR that screamer would probably have gone through. He's also had a few deep LDs that likely would have made the fence (or even over it) but with a wood were just long outs...

It is really hard for kids who are 17-20 years old to comprehend the magnitude of the decisions they are making when it comes to things like college choices, majors, and of course, the decision about deciding to play baseball in college and the challenges that come with it.  My dad used to always say time only goes forward, never backward, and it took me years to fully understand what he meant.  We cannot go backward and change decisions that we make; we live with them the rest of our lives.  We can adjust and choose a different path, but cannot go back and change where we have been.

Sluggerdad's post is one that so many of us can relate to when our kids make decisions and we have to learn to accept and support them.  Even when we think they will come to regret them later.  Since I never grasped what my dad meant when I was a kid, I've turned to the philosophical wisdom of Eminem's "Lose Yourself" with my kids:  "If you had one shot, or one opportunity, To seize everything you ever wanted, In one moment, would you capture it, or just let it slip?"  Hopefully they'll understand opportunities they have now are there for the moment and may not be in the future. 

Great post SluggerDad. This is something we have been discussing with our 2018. A couple years ago, he thought he wanted to go to a big school and play baseball. He wanted the big college experience. Now, he isn't sure he's ready to graduate high school. More and more, he is looking at programs close to home. 

Academically, he is solid, but average with a 3.6 gpa. I worry about the academic rigors mixed with baseball. His dream school is local, but probably the toughest school in the state academically. I think he is leaning more toward a JUCO experience for the first couple years to see how the baseball and academics mix and determine if it's something he wants to continue. 

We heard coach Acosta from UC Davis speak last summer at a local showcase. It was a reality check about not only the work required to get to the college level, but what it takes to succeed in college. The words have more impact coming from coaches than they do from mom and dad. The fee for the showcase was worth for that experience alone. 

I'm a college professor and I see it every Fall. In the first couple days 1/4 of the student population is walking around dazed with a map in their hand. The college visit with family was part of vacation, the Freshman orientation was controlled like Disney-land, but those first days and weeks are an incredible shock to their worlds. When they finally feel like their dorm situation is less new, classes are ready to start and they go to their first Bio/Chem/Psych 101 class with 200+ other students, it blows their mind. They walk out of class and immediately call Mom. This part of student life is incredibly stressful...

But it gets better, within a month most of them are feeling comfortable and getting into the flow of things. Exams haven't really kicked into gear yet, they are making friends, they get dressed (in blue) for their first fall football games, and all is looking good.

Now if you are a student athlete and you have a Spring season, then the getting comfortable in my skin and situation is abruptly side tracked by the realities of Fall workouts, competition for a spot, demanding workouts, looking at all of the talent on the field etc. Oh, and this is on top of the academics... Expect that the stress of adjustment will be higher than for a typical student.

One plus of being a student athlete is that you are part of a cohort of guys who are in the same boat and this can lead to strong supportive relationships. On the other hand, these guys may be competing with you for a roster spot, so it might not all be group hugs. That said, baseball players are mentally tougher than your average student, and they are used to competing and integrating into new teams/teammates and situations quickly.

Students and Student-Athletes in particular, are stronger than we think they are, they are resilient, adaptive, and find a way to do what needs to be done to grow up. Their priorities may change during the stress of this adaptation, but that is part of them figuring it all out. 

While things can go off the rails for individuals, the vast majority of kids figure it out, and come out the other end of the college experience as ADULTS. As much as your boys changed during HS, they will change even more in college. They will shock you, but you'll also be proud of their growth. I remain eternally optimistic that college and the college experience is terrific for easing into life. If you have the skills and make-up to do all of this while also playing competitive baseball, then the fires of this forge will make your sons even stronger for it. 

Do I worry about how my own son will handle the college transition? You dang tootin' I do... 

This thread is great on it's own...  also great at tying in some other important common dialog here on this site.

How do we best guide our kids earlier on to do well when they get to this point?  How and when do we know to let go with each type of issue they face?  We should work backwards a bit...

Middle school years -  He wants to make the HS team?  He wants to play travel ball?  How much do we need to guide the process?  How much do we let him take over?  How much do we allow for deviation of chore responsibility with all this travel?  How much is OK to spend on this crazy sports environment?  Does he really love it enough to consider this as something he will pursue in HS?  Beyond?  Lessons?  Really?  Will he do enough follow up drills/work to make it worth while?  Should I need to push him?  How does this fit with him developing as a well-rounded person?  What will he want to pursue as a career?  What type of things do we need to introduce him to so he can figure that all out?   Too early?

HS years - How much do we need to guide the process?  Isn't it time for him to take over?  But he is still an early teen, he won't make the right decisions.  How much do we allow for deviation of chore responsibility with all this travel, daily practice, homework, etc.?  How much is OK to spend on this crazy sports environment?  Does he really love it enough to play at the next level?  Is he getting all the proper instruction, support he needs to succeed?  What part of this should he be driving?  Are we making sure things stay properly balanced?  He seems to love to play but doesn't have the work ethic... do I need to push or does it all need to come from him.  He's just a teenager.  What are his career goals?  How does that match up with his baseball goals?  What is the recruiting process?  How much of it should be driven by him?  He's just a teenager, he won't be able to manage that.  Why don't the coaches want to talk to us and only to him?  Is he good enough to play in college?  Wow, he's a junior already.  What do you mean this is the key recruiting time for him?  

Staying above the fog in this crazy mess is really important.  How we stay grounded and parent our kids consistently as our kids and not as baseball players is really important.  It sure as heck ain't easy and no one has all the answers.  But if we stay grounded in our parenting principals, ours are the ones that are most likely to successfully push through that first year of college and into adulthood.  That applies regardless of whether they continue to play baseball at that time.

To add:  In hindsight, I would say that most mistakes we made were those times when we considered making exceptions to our parenting principals - when we "reasoned" that exceptions were in order to ease the craziness.  Stay the course as a parent. 

When do you "let go" with each type of issue?  Three adult kids later, still couldn't tell ya.  But I'm pretty sure the answer is always a little bit earlier than you'd like to and it will always come with some "look, no training wheels" falls and bruises.

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Great story Slugger! Thank you for sharing.

PO Jr freshman experience was grueling. In our eyes, it was just fine. Playtime, success on the field, new teammates and travel. Sophomore year was worse, no play time, no explanation, no travel, and redshirt year turns into a release. I had no idea what he had been through and only now understand what a difficult task it was. Trust me, I still don't know the full extent of the struggles. Most of these kids don't complain, they just power through it. That's why they are where they are. He is all the better for it, although, I'm sure he's glad it's behind him.

As most know, he landed in a great spot and has enjoyed the last two years. He is entering his final year of baseball and he will begin work towards his MBA in the spring.

Few are lucky enough to get a scholarship to play baseball. As it's been said before on this site, the real work begins once you arrive and continues until you leave.

seems like the best thread to post this on.  Watched my son's last "high school" game last night.  Leaving tomorrow to take him to school at Coastal Carolina- lucky for us, it's a great place to vacation as well.   We're all going for the week of the 4th, and a great friend we met on this site has offered his vacation home for the week- you know who you are!  Thank you! 

 he reports on July 5 for summer school and conditioning.  Thought I would be more emotional yesterday, but I wasn't.  He's excited and I'm excited for him- a whole new chapter in his life is starting. Won't be easy as all of the posts above point out, but it's still a fantastic opportunity and I can't wait to see how he develops  in the next few years.   My older son is a different person now going in to his senior year than he was 3 years ago.  I'm sure it will be the same for his younger brother.  I'm sure it will hit me at some point- probably on the drive home. 

Thank you to the folks on this board who have helped us (mostly me) through the journey to this point.  Thanks to those that started this board- I hope it continues as it's the best resource that I know of when it comes to navigating the high school baseball maze. 

 

What a great thread and discussion — thank you Sluggerdad for kicking this off and your honest post.

Like JCG — in about 6 weeks — we will take our son to college.  Hard to imagine.  I hope that we have done everything we can to get him ready for this move.  We have been having lots of discussions about choices, tradeoffs and priorities.  Last summer we were at a camp at Santa Clara and the coach there (like the Acosta and the guys at Headfirst) said for the student athlete there are three “S’s” in college — Studies, Social and Sports.  In their opinion — it is impossible for any student to be able to successfully master all three.  I have to agree.  

 

   

Every player is coming from a different situation into a different situation. There are many reasons college baseball is tough. And especially the first year at the college level. Think about it for the VAST majority of High School players who enter into College Baseball there will be many firsts.

The VAST majority of High School players good enough to move on to the next level will experience things they have either never faced in this game or have not since they were much younger. They will suddenly not be head and shoulders better than the players they are competing against. They will suddenly not be better than most of the players they are competing against. They will suddenly not be one of the better players they are competing against. They will not be the strongest, most athletic, strongest arm, best hitter, etc.

The VAST majority will be in an environment that is dog eat dog on your own team for the first time. The competition between you and your team mates will out rival any competition you have ever had with an opponent prior to this experience. You will not be playing with your friends you have grown up with. You will not be playing with guys who see you as the man. They all were the man and you are the FNG. You will not be playing with guys who are "Pulling" for you. You will not be playing with guys who automatically accept you as an equal. You will not be playing with guys that believe it is their job to make sure your "ok." You will be the FNG. You will have to earn things that you have never had to earn before or at least on a level you have never experienced. Of course once you do you are brothers.

You will be playing for Coaches who's career's are based on your performance or lack of performance. You will be playing for coaches who will not care if you transfer, quit, don't like it, are having fun, complain to your parents or anyone else, don't like them, etc. What they will care about is your value to their team and program. And that value will be based on your ability to be a positive to their program. Everything else is a negative. They are not going to care about your "feelings" or how you like it "there" unless - You have "Proven" you can help them keep their job. At that point your worth it. Until then you better prove yourself.

You will be faced with tremendous peer pressure. Guys who have already proven themselves, guys who already have a handle on this college experience, guys you will want to fit in with - will offer you opportunities that you have no business being a part of. But you will feel like you need to. You will feel like it's your way of fitting in. This peer pressure will be powerful. What they have time to do you don't have time to do. You are not there yet. You better learn this quickly.

Do I even need to talk about the academic issue?

So we talk about ROI. Return On Investment. What has been the ROI in the past? For the VAST majority a huge return on the investment. In other words a lot back for not as much put in. Now your in a situation where the Investment will be huge with the distinct possibility of very small return on that investment. Or maybe you can't even see the return on that investment? Maybe that investment is not going to pay off for a couple of years? Maybe that investment will never pay off as far as playing time. Maybe that investment will never pay off in terms of baseball? Maybe you just don't know what the ROI is going to be and that is just part of the stress level? Maybe you have never known what it was like to Invest so much and then sit for 3 hours while others play?

I have always believed that adversity prior to adversity is a very good thing. I have always believed that struggles prior to struggles - well that's a good thing. I have always believed that if you shelter your kids from tough times it won't help them when you can't be there to shelter them. What I have found is the one's that finish this race (College Baseball) get bruised up a little, beat up some, but wouldn't trade it for anything. And the Vast majority find that the ROI in life is much greater than any ROI they ever got on a baseball field.

It's a whole lot of work, its a whole lot of investment, followed by a life time of memories that will serve you well long after the baseball has ended. I have often said that CBB is not for everyone. And that is not a knock on anyone that doesn't do it or decides once in it's not for them. But when your whole baseball experience leading up to the college level has been a "blast" and you have never known an "ROI" that wasn't a great "ROI" is there any surprise that your in for a surprise? Don't be surprised. It's a grind learn to love the grind.

cabbagedad posted:

This thread is great on it's own...  also great at tying in some other important common dialog here on this site.

How do we best guide our kids earlier on to do well when they get to this point?  How and when do we know to let go with each type of issue they face?  We should work backwards a bit...

Middle school years -  He wants to make the HS team?  He wants to play travel ball?  How much do we need to guide the process?  How much do we let him take over?  How much do we allow for deviation of chore responsibility with all this travel?  How much is OK to spend on this crazy sports environment?  Does he really love it enough to consider this as something he will pursue in HS?  Beyond?  Lessons?  Really?  Will he do enough follow up drills/work to make it worth while?  Should I need to push him?  How does this fit with him developing as a well-rounded person?  What will he want to pursue as a career?  What type of things do we need to introduce him to so he can figure that all out?   Too early?

HS years - How much do we need to guide the process?  Isn't it time for him to take over?  But he is still an early teen, he won't make the right decisions.  How much do we allow for deviation of chore responsibility with all this travel, daily practice, homework, etc.?  How much is OK to spend on this crazy sports environment?  Does he really love it enough to play at the next level?  Is he getting all the proper instruction, support he needs to succeed?  What part of this should he be driving?  Are we making sure things stay properly balanced?  He seems to love to play but doesn't have the work ethic... do I need to push or does it all need to come from him.  He's just a teenager.  What are his career goals?  How does that match up with his baseball goals?  What is the recruiting process?  How much of it should be driven by him?  He's just a teenager, he won't be able to manage that.  Why don't the coaches want to talk to us and only to him?  Is he good enough to play in college?  Wow, he's a junior already.  What do you mean this is the key recruiting time for him?  

Staying above the fog in this crazy mess is really important.  How we stay grounded and parent our kids consistently as our kids and not as baseball players is really important.  It sure as heck ain't easy and no one has all the answers.  But if we stay grounded in our parenting principals, ours are the ones that are most likely to successfully push through that first year of college and into adulthood.  That applies regardless of whether they continue to play baseball at that time.

To add:  In hindsight, I would say that most mistakes we made were those times when we considered making exceptions to our parenting principals - when we "reasoned" that exceptions were in order to ease the craziness.  Stay the course as a parent. 

When do you "let go" with each type of issue?  Three adult kids later, still couldn't tell ya.  But I'm pretty sure the answer is always a little bit earlier than you'd like to and it will always come with some "look, no training wheels" falls and bruises.

I am actually going to breakdown this into outline form.  I am swimming in this with a 13 yr old. 

3and2Fastball posted:
Easier said than done, I know, but the mindset and preparation in the years leading up to the freshman year in college can make a difference.

...and to paraphrase my sagacious, good friend: "It's a grind. Learn to love the grind."

Very few near the top of the pyramid made it there overwhelmingly on natural gifts.; and even the best of grinders can end up disappointed. However, it's virtually guaranteed that if you don't establish habits that lead to systematic development, you're virtually assured to end up disappointed.

baseballmom posted:

Coach Mays' post should be required reading for parents of 8th grade on up!  

Coach May's post is the harsh reality of the situation. College sports are like the military. Can you help me win the battle? A coach's livelihood and ability to feed his family depends on how much 18-22yos can help him win. 

My son has mastered falling out of trees and landing on his feet scoring a perfect ten. His first semester gpa was a wakeup call. My daughter was so intimidated by college and softball she studied hard out of fear of not being eligible. She came within two B's of a 4.0 for four years. 

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RJM posted:
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My son has mastered falling out of trees and landing on his feet scoring a perfect ten. His first quarter gpa was a wakeup call. My daughter was so intimidated by college and softball she studied hard out of fear of not being eligible. She came within two B's of a 4.0 for four years. 

Haha... we just received in the mail yet another college honor role certificate for our son.  This phenomenon has occurred rather consistently over his college years.  He was never particularly strong academically.  His primary motivation since graduating HS has been just that... fear of not being eligible.  

Now, he has managed to schedule himself a double load for this fall to speed up completion of his changed major.  New motivation, I believe, was born out of the confidence built up as a result of success with his prior motivation.

I love it when a plan comes together 

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Fantastic post SluggerDad.  I think it really hit on lot of what players go through. 

Can be quite the emotional ride for parents too. Season was probably the longest 4 months I've experienced.  Some absolute great memories but also some serious anxiety moments as well.  

You want your son to get opportunities and as Coach May and others have said the only way that happens is if you can help the coaches win games. Frankly over a 63 game season son had periods where he was helping win and also periods where he was not helping at all.   Most of his freshman buddies experienced the same.

Mom and Dad being first timers were sweating the exit meeting process a bit.  Felt silly afterwards as the 4 coaches were very pleased with his season. They focused way more on the experience he got as a freshman than the up and down results.  I bumped into PC a few days later and he said even he struggles as a parent separating his own kids results from their experience.  

Good luck to all the new college parents in the fall. 

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