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Guys,

The competition at IMG is below par. I'd check to see if you have an 18-under team in your area that plays great competition. Or join up with one of the Florida teams in the Connie Mack Travel League.

If you are older than get into a wood bat league somewhere that is NCAA sanctioned. IMHO, playing at IMG WILL NOT get you ready to play college ball as a freshman.

Bob Pincus
Head Coach
Central Florida Renegades
www.eteamz.com/centralfloridarenegades
RobPincus@aol.com
All I've heard has been good

Kent State's Vanbenschoten spoke highly of IMG

his track record -

freshman - He .290 with eight homers and 31 RBI

sophmore - he improves to .355 with 10 HRs and 46 RBI

IMG Academy that summer - & that had some scratching their heads noidea

junior (after IMG) - he hit .440 with 31 home runs, 84 RBI and six triples, sl% .982, ob% .551

'01 1rst rnd pick by the Pirates (8th overall)

John and Kent's coaches have stressed that some serious strength development & skills tuning took place at IMG that summer



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The kids I know who have gone to IMG said the training was outstanding, but the competition was low.

I have challenged IMG to play our 18-under team on many occasions with their college teams, as their 18-under group is very weak. They refuse to play us (why risk losing to an 18-under team when you do not have to) even at their facilities.

I believe the benefit to playing Connie Mack 18-under baseball in Florida is the competition. Where else can you see teams the caliber of the Coral Spring Pokers, Florida Bombers, Jacksonville Warriors, Orlando Scorpions and the Central Florida Renegades in the same league. If you are over 18 and can not get into a top wood bat league go to the Clark Griffith League. Training is important, but training with no competition in the longrun does not help.

Bob Pincus
Head Coach
Central Florida Renegades
www.eteamz.com/centralfloridarenegades
RobPincus@aol.com
First of all we did try and open a pipeline to play games with their college teams. Their high school team is way too weak to play our program.

Most of the players on my team will end up at higher level colleges than the players on the IMG college teams. If those players were very good they would be playing in NCAA wood bat leagues.

But if IMG would let us play their college teams it would be a great match up for them and for us as well. We like to play college players, but usually at a higher level. I will say this any team in our Connie Mack league would probably beat their college teams eight out of 10 times.

But I will commit to playing any of their college teams this summer if they want to play us. And we will travel to their field to do it.

Bob Pincus
Head Coach
Central Florida Renegades
www.eteamz.com/centralfloridarenegades
RobPincus@aol.com
Last summer my son played with the Dallas Mustangs. During the summer we played the Athletes in Action team 6 times I believe. It was very good competition with an 18 year old team against a bunch of college players. They were never quite able to bet us but came close a couple of times.

It would be a total waste of time to play the HS team. Total blowouts. The college team would be some competition and maybe would win 1 or 2 games.

"I love the HSBBW"
i play at pendleton. i don't know how Coach Pincus can say we are too weak to play his team. To my knowledge I havent seen anyone from the renegades at our practices, to properly evaluate our team. I mean, we will probably lose 3 to 4 games the entire spring season. Whether we play preschool teams or "Powerhouse Programs" such as Renegades, to win ball games, some talent and baseball intellect is required. All of us, including our coaches, are familiar with his players, some have even been in IMG fall programs, etc. I can safely say that they are similarly matched to us, to be on the safe side. Not to take anything away from his team but both progams have very good players. We have 6 probable Division 1 players, and the rest going on to Juco's or D2's. It seems someone is a bit jealous becuase we wont play them. So, hypothetically speaking, if we "manage" to beat this "powerhouse" program, would it still be a "waste of time, and a total blow out" for the renegade program????? I wouldnt think so. The summer h.s. teams are a different story because there are different players here for different reasons; some for the top notch instruction, some for the playing time with wood bats, some for the girls and weather, and some for personal reasons. I just wanted to represent our program and tell certain people what the real situation is, rather than verbally assaulting a program in which one does not have a full knowledge of. Nothing is worse than people with ignorant opinions that neglect to evaluate a program entirely, and people who also add resentful comments to epxress their displeasure when one doesnt get games he/she wants. I will stop writing now, but I just wanted to relate my annoyance from these posts about a program that was poorly portrayed by people who havent been there long enough to know what goes on.
First of all to my knowledge, we have never had an IMG player on our club.

The kids who have gone to IMG/Pendleton have told me that the education is excellent and that the training is excellent. They have constantly complained about the competition (remember they are banned from the Florida High School Activities Association because they admittedly openly recruit players).

We have never asked to play Pendleton or would we? I offered the opportunity to play the summer college teams and was told that they cannot do that. Obviously in IMGs minds, the college teams and the IMG reputation would drop if they lost to a bunch of 16- to 18-year-olds *even top players like ours).

I will say that if all a player wanted to do is train during the summer and not play competitive baseball I'd reccommend IMG. Otherwise, I'd suggest the player go to a top Connie Mack team in Florida and play for them.

Once again, this is not a knock on the teaching at IMG, which I understand is high-quality. But the level of players and competition is not a sgood as most summer programs.

As for the Pendleton verses Renegades situation. First, we play different seasons - we're a summer team. We tend to not play most high school teams because the scores end up 24-2 or something like that. We certainly would not travel to play a high school team when we have teams here that want to play us in the Orlando area.

If IMG asks us to play their college team I would consider it if we have an opening.

Bob Pincus
Head Coach
Central Florida Renegades
www.eteamz.com/centralfloridarenegades
RobPincus@aol.com
as noted above
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The (IMG) summer teams are a different story because there are different players here for different reasons
ie:-they're not recruited to win


I'm familiar with several "top" national level summer programs - & ya just don't hear them try to boost their pgm's credibility by ragging others publicly. It makes the renegades sound like wannabes

Confused

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Please note, I'm not ragging on IMG.

Someone asked whether it was worthwhile to spend a ton of money to play for IMG this summer and I helped provide an opinion. If ragging on IMG is saying they are one of the best training programs in the country for amateur baseball - then I guess I'm ragging.

I wish IMG well in all of their endeavors. There are not too many training programs in their league.

Bob Pincus
Head Coach
Central Florida Renegades
www.eteamz.com/centralfloridarenegades
RobPincus@aol.com
florida guy, I've got no ax to grind either way, "it just sounds like it sounds"
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The competition at IMG is below par - - - playing at IMG WILL NOT get you ready to play college ball - - I have challenged IMG to play our 18-under team on many occasions with their college teams - They refuse to play us - even at their facilities - - their 18-under group is very weak - - Most of the players on my team will end up at higher level colleges than the players on the IMG college teams - etc



can't remember Midland ever voicing stuff like that, even about programs that deserved it

Eek Smile



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lol, summer was my "only" refernce -

Midland does love great players who are also "good people" - (but maybe mine slipped thu a crack?)

anyway with the number of great players down there, what's the deal with them "lining up" to play 1200 miles north?? (you don't have to answer)
Cool


lefties? - - - they just aint right!

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I will reply to that somewhat. The Central florida Renegades made it to the final 16 of the PG WWBA tournament in Jupiter Florida. Fall record is unimportant when you carry thirty kids and go to showcases to get those kids seen. Many times coaches lifted starters and made changes with the lead because we are there to showcase every kid on the team. When you play 16 kids a game, you are probably not going to win every game. In the fall the team did not bunt unless done on their own. Coaches did not want to take the bats out of kids hands who were showcasing for whatever coach was there to see them. Big difference between summer and fall team concepts and players.

Also if I am not mistaken Mr Pincus writes for Team-One baseball as well.

What is your qualifications? What is your agenda? I find it interesting that you demand qualifications from people, but do not fill out your own profile.

"I love the HSBBW"
"I would like to know what baseball background Mr. Pincus has that qualifies him to critique other programs? Also, what was the Renegades record this past fall?"

I apologize if you felt that I was demanding ! I don't see the word demand in my post anywhere. I am not demanding answers from anyone, I simply asked a question about qualifications. It seems that Mr Pincus is very knowledgeable and I was just inquiring as to what his qualifications were. I have seen several posts on this sight that have asked the same but I do not recall them being blasted for asking. I also just asked what the record was for their team. I would have to ask what is your agenda that you would get so offended. I actually do not have an agenda, I am just a HSBBW fan and enjoy the info, comments, etc that are available here. I do not fill out my profile due to being burned in the past. That is my choice. Have a nice day.
Sorry, you did not demand you asked. He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones. Smile I absolutely did not blast you. I aksed if you had an agenda and why you would want somebody elses credentials for critiquing when you do not post your own. Where do you get that I was blasting you or that I was offended in any way. I simply asked, same as you.

I don't know their fall record.

I am sorry if you took my post wrong or you felt accused in any way. It was not intended that way. You did not use the word demand in your post and I did not use the word offended in mine. Maybe it was a miscommunication.

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What is your qualifications? What is your agenda? I find it interesting that you demand qualifications from people, but do not fill out your own profile.


Maybe I should have asked, Why do you want to know qualifications and fall record? And What bearing does the fall record have on his qualifications? Asking for a fall record is interesting because many different programs are run differently in the fall as opposed to the summer(for the reasons stated above). Also Mr. Pincus did not coach the fall team. Roger Holt did. Mr. Pincus was the general mgr. So the question seemed a bit odd to me. So that is why I asked if you had an agenda. I found it odd that you asked those 2 questions together. You can go on the Renegades website and look up any information that you want to. Earlier in this thread Mr. Pincus talked about the Renegades playing a very tough schedule against the best teams in the state and country. So what qualifications are you looking for that would not be on his website or stated in the thread? Maybe I could help you if you were more specific. Or maybe Bob can respond at some point in time and you can continue to enjoy his posts.

Try to remember that oft times you cannot see a facial expression or tone of voice adn that many times that is important to understanding somones post. It will help in not being so sesitive in your reading. It is your choice not to put you profile. I hope you were not burned on the hsbbw.

"I love the HSBBW"
The reason I asked those 2 questions was due to the fact that Mr Pincus was touting his team, I guess I should have asked what their record was last summer. (my mistake) The question regarding credentials is that he seemed to have so much information on different programs, I was wondering if he had a baseball background. I did not feel that there was any harm in asking. I checked the Renegades website after your response. I have never heard of Mr. Pincus except for his posts on this site so I was curious about his baseball background.

I also would like to note that I was not sensitive I was just reading exactly what you wrote. I have also enjoyed the posts by you on this site so there are no hard feelings Smile
Bronx - was there a post by bighit that has since been deleted? Where'd your attitude come from?

He stated some facts about the team ---where they finished at Jupiter, who coaches, etc. But I don't see any claims to superior baseball knowledge, or particular 'defense' of Pincus.

You, conversely, say that "Pincus' teams suck" and are "second rate". Why was that necessary?

It rather looks as if you were looking for an opportunity to blast both Pincus & bighit....is something else going on here?

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Originally posted by Florida Baseball Guy:
First of all to my knowledge, we have never had an IMG player on our club.

The kids who have gone to IMG/Pendleton have told me that the education is excellent and that the training is excellent. They have constantly complained about the competition (remember they are banned from the Florida High School Activities Association because they admittedly openly recruit players).

We have never asked to play Pendleton or would we? I offered the opportunity to play the summer college teams and was told that they cannot do that. Obviously in IMGs minds, the college teams and the IMG reputation would drop if they lost to a bunch of 16- to 18-year-olds *even top players like ours).

I will say that if all a player wanted to do is train during the summer and not play competitive baseball I'd reccommend IMG. Otherwise, I'd suggest the player go to a top Connie Mack team in Florida and play for them.

Once again, this is not a knock on the teaching at IMG, which I understand is high-quality. But the level of players and competition is not a sgood as most summer programs.

As for the Pendleton verses Renegades situation. First, we play different seasons - we're a summer team. We tend to not play most high school teams because the scores end up 24-2 or something like that. We certainly would not travel to play a high school team when we have teams here that want to play us in the Orlando area.

If IMG asks us to play their college team I would consider it if we have an open

RobPincus@aol.com


I am the coach at Manatee High in Bradenton and 2 of my pitchers played for Bob's Central Florida team this summer,we also just played Pendelton Academy last week. Neither one of my pitchers played in that game but I do know that Pendelton would be very competitive against the Renegades. If Espino pitched he should be able to handle the best of what the Renegades put up to the plate. Pendelton also has other pitchers of high quality. I've seen both teams play. I know the caliber of my 2 pitchers and I wish they would have been available for our game. But after watching Pendelton play 2 high school games. They are not a High School baseball team as defined by most definitions.

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Al,

Both of the youngsters who played with us this fall are coming back for the summer. Could you email me and let me know how they are doing? RobPincus@aol.com

As for the Pendleton issue. We don't play high school teams, so there is no issue.

IMG is about development and they do a great job at that aspect - maybe the best in Florida.

In fact I was at IMG yesterday to cover the Boston College game for Team One Baseball. They are telling their high school juniors and seniors to play on the top 18-under travel teams during the summer and not play at IMG. That tells me a lot of positive things about the IMG management.

Their strength is teaching, but when it comes time for competititve play they want what is best for their kids. I met the Pendleton coach and was very impressed with him. I think Pendleton/IMG is a great opprtunity for many kids durign the school year. Teams like the Renegades are great for the kids in the summer and fall. Kids can have the best of both worlds.

Bob Pincus
Head Coach
Central Florida Renegades
www.eteamz.com/centralfloridarenegades
RobPincus@aol.com
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Originally posted by TARatko:
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But after watching Pendelton play 2 high school games. They are not a High School baseball team as defined by most definitions.



Al:

I'm curious - what level do you think Pendleton is if they are not a high school baseball team as defined by most definitions? Most High School teams players come from a small geographic area of a city. Pendelton's players come from all over the globe. Therefore they are not a typical high school team. Regardless of that there are many High school teams in their area that could beat them. Manatee held them scoreless through 5 innings.

I, personally, think they could be very, very good, but they are as yet untested. They will pick up and throw the ball with any team in Florida, they will hit with any team in Florida, they will run with any team in Florida. The main question is pitching depth, once you get past Espino and Gregory, the pitching is perhaps not as tough - but it still is very good.

I think you are correct - they could give the Renegades a game, but Bob may not think so, even after spending last Saturday with many of the players at IMG. It would be interesting, I think. Next year, if they get into the Miami circuit, it could be fun.

FL Baseball Guy:

Do you have all ths info you need for Team One? Thanks.

TAR

The likelihood of anyone's child playing his/her sport at a professional level is so low that for all intents and purposes it can be considered to be zero.  Therefore if you are sending your child to IMG for any other reason than improving his/her chances to get into his/her college/university of choice, you are just kidding yourself.

 

What IMG offers, albeit at a price, is the opportunity for each child to realize his/her max potential both academically and athletically.  The school places grads at Div I schools and some of the most renown institutions of higher learning in this country and does so at a rate 10-20 times the typical public high school.  60% of IMG grads go Div I.  30% are accepted at a Top 100 school as ranked by US News & World Report.  

 

 

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