G.P.A

I suggest you visit your guidance counselor ASAP to make sure you graduate from high school with your class.

You've got some work to do especially in core courses that hopefully you're taking whether you needed them or not. Check with your counselor, he/she should be able to give you an idea of what you'll need. The only way to improve those #'s is to get a bunch of A's and high B's in core courses.

Mathematically it is possible - but as the other posters suggest, I would make an appointment as soon as possible with your counselor.

I have one question, how did you play for your high school? Don't you have to have grades to play a sport?

SloppY - start lookin' at JUCO's!! Lot's of good ones in TN.

bags -it's possible some places. In KY in general the requirements are pretty lax, though in Lexington a 2.0 is required.

bagsa

Many high schools do not go by GPA for eligibility they go by number of F grdes--one F might put the player on probation --two F's can make you ineligible

One other thing for Sloppy-- even if you get the GPA up to 2.0 which is mighty difficult in the senior year you will need to qualify for the Clearing House===thus two bridges to cross

Think of JUCO

tdf - Kentucky actually changed it's eligibility requirements I believe last year. The student must attain a 2.0 but also must be passing a certain percentages of the classes. For instance, a student could have one F and still be easily above a 2.0. However, regardless of the 2.0, if you had, I believe 2 Fs for most kids you would be ineligible. Again, it's based on percentages, so that depends on how many classes - block scheduling, etc. I thought it was a good idea myself. Puts more emphasis on the core classes - can't "pad" a GPA as easily with bunny hours.

This kind of applies to this thread, I have a question.

How exactly is a GPA formulated and how does it work?

Like where I'm from we get a Percentage grade, no A's B's or C's, just 80%, 90% etc.

I got a 3.346 GPA and on my report card it showed B B A A, no +/- yet on my projects I'd get like B+ or A+ so how does all of that work?

I've asked professors in the past and they really haven't been able to explain it to me, so I'm a little confused as to the whole process.

Thanks for any info

Doc_K_Kid - Son's grades were all done on percentages too, but then converted to letter grades based on the final %

Ex: 92-100 A = 4pts (in unweighted class)
83-91 B = 3pts
74-82 C = 2pts
65-73 D = 1pts
64&under F = 0pts

Then the gpa is computed on the # of total points/divided by # classes.

Sloppy, I'm disappointed to hear of your situation. I've had a number of players who've had to attend jucos since they didn't have the grades to attend a 4-year school, even though some had the ability to play in top level programs. Out here, our jucos play a high level of baseball, but it has to hurt when a top D-1 shows recruiting interest and the player doesn't have the grades.

I wish you the best of luck as you go forward, juco ball seems to be where your opportunity might lie. I'd also ask you to consider showing a bunch of leadership by talking to the younger players on your school's team and urging them to take classes more seriously. It isn't easy to use yourself as an example of how not to do things, but you sound like you're a player that younger guys might look up to since you've lettered all 4 years. You might make a difference in some younger kid not making the mistakes you made when you were a couple years younger.

Doc did you write SATs ? On the back of the clearing house letter showing he met the requirements, it shows the breakdown arriving at the GPA. I will try to find it and let you know if no one does before.
My son was surprised at the making system at his college.

Thanks Top,

One other question, on my report card it says Grade and then Credit, what is the credit?

Also one of my courses it just says Pass, does that equate into my overall GPA?

Thanks for the help, I finally understand your guys' system and I must say it is sooooo much easier to use then ours!

Bobble,

Yes I wrote the SAT got 1020 without even studying hard, I'll check that out though Thanks!

Doc - in my son's high school each class was worth 1 credit and he needed 26 to graduate. There were some requirements on minimum # of each subject - ie. English 4 yrs, Math 3 yrs, etc. Colleges are done differently, and # credits depend on # class hours/week, I believe.

As for Pass/Fail, I have no idea how that enters into GPA computation.

AHHH...It all makes sense to me now!

Thanks for the help,

It's like us up here we need 30 to pass in HS so we take 8 a year for 4 years, most end up with 32 unless you decide to take spares, in which case you'll finsih up with only 30.

We had the same required subjects liek you mention 4 yrs ENG 3 yrs MATH etc.

My son had an 84% and they said it was a C. One course had either an S or a NS, satisfactory or not. He was also told pass was 70%. Is it different at different schools or states ?

I was told my grade average equated to a B and my average was around the same of your sons.

Yet my GPA if I was to transfer up to a school up here would be higher then if I used my HS transcript marks, or so I've been told.

My son had 85% in Canada and it was a 3.75 GPA and 1130 SAT. (620 math 510 eng).
His 1st semestef at college he did A & Bs with the 1 C (84%). Also had an S which he was told was satisfactory.
He is confused by the marking system and I told him to talk to his academic advisor assigned at the beginning of the year.
He was telling me that several players had interviews with the coach because of low marks. You need a 2.0 to play. I am not worried about him academically. He has always been self driven.

Doc where did you play in Ontario ? Was it OBA or Elite ?

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Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
My son had an 84% and they said it was a C. One course had either an S or a NS, satisfactory or not. He was also told pass was 70%. Is it different at different schools or states ?

Yep, can vary widely. Also differences between private and public schools. All depends on the school system.

Bobble,

I played for a few small towns, Strathroy, Delaware-Mt.Brydges and Komoka, they were all in the L.D.B.A. (London and District Baseball Association) which was a sublet of the OBA.

I never played for an elite team, and only played a few years of competitive ball during my Minor Baseball Days.

I never even knew of Teams such as Team Ontario or the Canadian Thunder Birds, the only elite team I knew of was the London Badgers, which I tried out for when I was like 16, and got cut cause I didn't throw hard enough on the coldest day of the tryouts, kind of hard to throw hard when it's only 8 degrees outside.

Yet I still went off to College, and even was a Finalist for the Senior Pitcher of the Year in the OBA when I was 18!

My son dosen't throw hard either. Maxed out at 84mph.
Lumley is a tough coach. They removed him from the Ontario Youth Team last year and the team cleaned up at the Canada Cup. Lumley coaches Western U baseball and did well.
Played in Strathroy 1 year when they held OBA playoffs. Nice place.
There are so many Elite teams now. My son played with T-Birds, Niagara Rebels ST Catharines OBA and the 18U district All Stars. Some years he played for 3 of the teams at once if you include his HS. Played 18U District Allstar since he was 15.
I am depressed now that that is all over. He is too far away to jump in the car and go watch him.
He has only pitched 3 innings in college in their little world series they have. He didn't allow a base runner. Never broke 80mph.

I'll agree with you on Lumley, he is a very tough Coach.

Strathroy re-did the diamond at Alexandra Park, it's quite nice cept for all those darn dandelions (ya figure they spend all that money to redo the diamond tehy'd at least make sure that there isn't any weeds growing on the field, it makes it look horrible) and the fact that there isn't much of a hill, more like a speed bump out there for pitchers to throw off of.

What school did your son wind up going to?

But if I am wanting to get into a NAIA School then do I have to meet the clearing house requirements. I made a 21 on my ACT so thats going to help,right?

Clearinghouse is for NCAA schools only. With a 21 ACT and without learning disability, you can do the work and get good grades. I know you've heard it before but you will have more opportunities with a college degree than without. That may not mean much right now. Please just take it on faith. Play ball and get those sheepskins.

Doc, as a senior, you seriously need to spend some time with your counselor. Every senior should be spending time with their counselor if they haven't already.

06 What do you mean?

I'm a College Sophmore, did you get the wrong screen name by accident?

Checked my g.p.a today... i have a 1.8... and i scored a 21 on my act...i just got my first semester report card...grades are good all b's and 1 c... So is it going to be possible for me to get that 2.0?

SLOPPY

Go visit your guidance counselor or principal--they can tell you--

Sloppy - No one can tell you exactly what you would need because we don't know the number of classes, don't know what your GPA is in your Core classes, etc. As has been suggested here, you need to schedule an appt with your counselor. If you have any desire to play for a NCAA school, you should have already registered for the Clearinghouse. If not, most NAIA and JUCOs will use their individual admission criteria for you to meet.

I'm going to pose the same question to you that I would to either one of my own two teenagers. What are you doing on HSBBW at 10:00 in the morning? You should be focusing on something else right now and scheduling that appt with your counselor in between classes.

sloppy, you have plenty of options

however, agree with lafmom, you have the cart before the horse focusing on playing anything -
halfway into your senior yr you don't have a clue if you will be accepted by any school

keep in mind college isn't meant for everyone



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Sorry Doc, my bad. I meant to direct that comment to Sloppy. HE needs to spend some time with his guidance counslor.

somewhere along this post, the question was asked: How do they calculate GPA. If I am not mistaken, the only GPA that counts [other than what the school requires to graduate] is the GPA of your core classes. If you are '06, you have a core class req't of 14 [see ncaa.org for list of classes AT YOUR SCHOOL that count towards CORE]...you figure your GPA based on your 14 BEST core classes, according to their formula [see below]- but that is how they do it - GPA for your 14 best core classes - if it sin't too late - you might want to get rid of a BS class that all seniors take, and get in another core class, then earn an A or a B in it.

As has been suggested by just about every poster on this thread - SEE YOUR Counselor - if the counselor is not familiar with the Clearinghouse [and all of them aren't], ask to see one that is.

Now that I've typed all that: go to
and click on the List of Approved Classes on the left hand side, enter your school, and a list of approved CORE classes will be provided - follow the formula for which classes count, and figure your GPA to get an idea...print the stuff out to take with you to see the GC.

also go here: http://www.ncaa.org/library/general/cbsa/2005-06/2005-06_cbsa.pdf[/URL]
starting at page 7 you can find the sliding scale for D1 [no sliding scale for D2 - 2.0 and 820 required] lists the core class req'ts for computing your GPA. ALso defines qulaifier and non qulaifier, and what your options are.

Division I
2005 - 2007
If you enroll in a Division I college between 2005 and 2007 and want
to participate in athletics or receive an athletics scholarship during
your first year, you must:
• Graduate from high school;
• Complete these 14 core courses:
- 4 years of English
- 2 years of math (algebra 1 or higher)
- 2 years of natural or physical science (including one year of lab
science if offered by your high school)
- 1 extra year of English, math or natural or physical science
- 2 years of social science
- 3 years of extra core courses (from any category above,
or foreign language, nondoctrinal religion or philosophy);
• Earn a minimum required grade-point average in your core
courses; and
• Earn a combined SAT or ACT sum score that matches your
core-course grade-point average and test score sliding scale on
this page (for example, a 2.400 core-course grade-point average
needs a 860 SAT).
Note: Computer science courses can be used as core courses only if your
high school grants graduation credit in math or natural or physical science for
them, and if the courses appear on your high school’s core-course list as a
math or science course.


Division II
2005 and Later
If you enroll in a Division II college in 2005 or later and want to
participate in athletics or receive an athletics scholarship during your
first year, you must:
• Graduate from high school,
• Complete these 14 core courses:
- 3 years of English
- 2 years of math (algebra 1 or higher)
- 2 years of natural or physical science (including one year of lab
science if offered by your high school)
- 2 extra years of English, math or natural or physical science
- 2 years of social science
- 3 years of extra core courses (from any category above,
or foreign language, nondoctrinal religion or philosophy);
• Earn a 2.000 grade-point average or better in your core courses;
and
• Earn a combined SAT score of 820 or an ACT sum score of 68.
There is no sliding scale in Division II.
Note: Computer science courses can be used as core courses only if your
high school grants graduation credit in math or natural or physical science for
them, and if the courses appear on your high school’s core-course list as a
math or science course.

GOOD LUCK!

So if you take 4 years of math, getting 2 As and 2 Bs, you would just count the two As?

count the 2 As under the "2 Math req't", then, you can count a B under the "2 extra years of English, math or science" req't, then use the other B under the "3 years of extra core course (from any category)" req't.

example: Jr wants to play D2, and has had 17 core classes: 4 English so far [A, B, B, B] and 4 Math [A,A, B, D], 3 Science [B, B, C] 4 Social Studies [A, A, A, A] and 2 SPanish [B, D], so he counts:
3English [A B B]
2 Math [A A ]
2 Science [B B ]
2 more from Eng/Math/Sci [B B from English]
2 Soc St [A A]
3 from any above or language [A A from SS and B from either Math or Span]

I am not using the C from Spanish or the D in Math and Sci. His GPA for the BEST 14 classes, as used above, is: 3.5...if I used ALL core classes - it would be only 3.1

There are two aspect to your GPA in HS

01--- the most important one is the one that the college looks at--that is the overall GPA not just for core classes-- they have their own criteria and also watch how many credits of language--many colleges require two years minimum

02-- the second one is the Core GPA that the Clearinghouse looks at-- this may allow you to play NCAA baseball but it may not be good enough to get you into lot of certain colleges

TR is right - I oversimplified - you need a GPa to graduate, a GPA to be accepted at the U and a GPA to be eligible to play. Get A's and you don't need to worry about it!

A couple of things:
As TR correctly points out, the criteria for Clearinghouse eligibility and for college acceptance are normally considerably different. In fact, the current Clearinghouse requirements are so watered down that I consider them to be a joke.
In the original posters case, he certainly appears to be a prime candidate for going the JUCO route to establish some academic credibiltity. However, he should not ignore the Clearinghouse and in fact should do everything possible to qualify. When and if he is interested in transferring the criteria for qualifiers and non-qualifiers is substantially different.