How Strong Are D1 Baseball Players?

I don't know specifics on MAX or super sets, but I can tell you it was an eye opener when my son attended a smaller invite camp at Mizzou as Sophomore.  The staff had a couple pitchers show him around and the entire group went on a tour as well. THE Pitchers WERE RIPPED!

The first thing we were told is the Dieticians set you up with a plan, then the Strength trainers assess and program for your needs. It was a real eye opener to see just how big and strong a college pitcher really is...........or how weak a HS player is......

From what i've seen personally-

Backsquat maxes avg = 300  Low was 175 and high was 440

my kid was 415

Goal before he leaves is 500

Great topic I think it would depend a lot on positions. Our goal at our high school is to have our guys college ready by the start of their Jr. baseball season.  Would be interested to know what everyones numbers are.

Everytime I've attended D1 games and sat up close it really struck me how big a lot of those players are. They are built like tanks!

Shoveit4Ks posted:

From what i've seen personally-

Backsquat maxes avg = 300  Low was 175 and high was 440

my kid was 415

Goal before he leaves is 500

Wow, those are good numbers for your son! As I recall, the source of the "Shove It" screen name.

Backpick25 posted:

I don't know specifics on MAX or super sets, but I can tell you it was an eye opener when my son attended a smaller invite camp at Mizzou as Sophomore.  The staff had a couple pitchers show him around and the entire group went on a tour as well. THE Pitchers WERE RIPPED!

The first thing we were told is the Dieticians set you up with a plan, then the Strength trainers assess and program for your needs. It was a real eye opener to see just how big and strong a college pitcher really is...........or how weak a HS player is......

Mizzou is a bit of an outlier in that the strength coach is one of the most renowned in the world (Dr. Bryan Mann) and the school has a history of really caring about strength for their athletes. Their fireman reliever trains at our place (Nolan Gromacki) who is a borderline contributor for the team, but an essential one, and he's one of the best bodyweight-to-strength ratio trainees we've ever had, including professional position players. The school gets it.

Still, D1 players are far stronger than HS kids are, if only because 22 year old men have finished up puberty and have more years of full testosterone in them than an 18 year old coming in. Of course the usual work ethic, culture, equipment, coaching, etc all comes into play, no question.

The few HS and gap year kids we have at Driveline get exposed to professional athletes going about their business in a way that they have never considered. It's my job to hire and train the best coaches, give them the best environment including equipment and facilities, and set the culture by bringing in the right elite athletes ahead of them. I think I've done a good job. So when HS and young college kids see all of that, it's almost entirely on them to put forth the effort in the weight room, at home (sleep and nutrition), and bring the right mentality. Unfortunately, this is somewhat rare, simply because a 19 year old can't grasp the magnitude of how difficult baseball can and will be years down the road and what types of men they will compete against.

This, like many things in life, is a lesson that they will have to learn the hard way. And they will.

This is easy.  2 1/2 levels stronger than the D3 kids.  

cabbagedad posted:

This is easy.  2 1/2 levels stronger than the D3 kids.  

Man, you're opening a bag of worms! Here we go, again...

baseballmom posted:

cabbagedad posted:

This is easy.  2 1/2 levels stronger than the D3 kids.  

Man, you're opening a bag of worms! Here we go, again...

Haha... guess I should clarify, totally kidding - reference to the debate going on in the "coaches over-recruiting" thread.

Oh, I caught it! 

Kyle Boddy posted:

Backpick25 posted:

I don't know specifics on MAX or super sets, but I can tell you it was an eye opener when my son attended a smaller invite camp at Mizzou as Sophomore.  The staff had a couple pitchers show him around and the entire group went on a tour as well. THE Pitchers WERE RIPPED!

The first thing we were told is the Dieticians set you up with a plan, then the Strength trainers assess and program for your needs. It was a real eye opener to see just how big and strong a college pitcher really is...........or how weak a HS player is......

Mizzou is a bit of an outlier in that the strength coach is one of the most renowned in the world (Dr. Bryan Mann) and the school has a history of really caring about strength for their athletes. Their fireman reliever trains at our place (Nolan Gromacki) who is a borderline contributor for the team, but an essential one, and he's one of the best bodyweight-to-strength ratio trainees we've ever had, including professional position players. The school gets it.

Still, D1 players are far stronger than HS kids are, if only because 22 year old men have finished up puberty and have more years of full testosterone in them than an 18 year old coming in. Of course the usual work ethic, culture, equipment, coaching, etc all comes into play, no question.

The few HS and gap year kids we have at Driveline get exposed to professional athletes going about their business in a way that they have never considered. It's my job to hire and train the best coaches, give them the best environment including equipment and facilities, and set the culture by bringing in the right elite athletes ahead of them. I think I've done a good job. So when HS and young college kids see all of that, it's almost entirely on them to put forth the effort in the weight room, at home (sleep and nutrition), and bring the right mentality. Unfortunately, this is somewhat rare, simply because a 19 year old can't grasp the magnitude of how difficult baseball can and will be years down the road and what types of men they will compete against.

This, like many things in life, is a lesson that they will have to learn the hard way. And they will.

Kyle, Nolan was one of the pitchers that showed us around! Great guy and a superior engineering student!

cabbagedad posted:

This is easy.  2 1/2 levels stronger than the D3 kids.  

Lol, that would be some ....... Dare I say, JUCOs............. Cough, cough,p, cough, e, cough, d's....

Kyle Boddy posted:

Backpick25 posted:

I don't know specifics on MAX or super sets, but I can tell you it was an eye opener when my son attended a smaller invite camp at Mizzou as Sophomore.  The staff had a couple pitchers show him around and the entire group went on a tour as well. THE Pitchers WERE RIPPED!

The first thing we were told is the Dieticians set you up with a plan, then the Strength trainers assess and program for your needs. It was a real eye opener to see just how big and strong a college pitcher really is...........or how weak a HS player is......

Mizzou is a bit of an outlier in that the strength coach is one of the most renowned in the world (Dr. Bryan Mann) and the school has a history of really caring about strength for their athletes. Their fireman reliever trains at our place (Nolan Gromacki) who is a borderline contributor for the team, but an essential one, and he's one of the best bodyweight-to-strength ratio trainees we've ever had, including professional position players. The school gets it.

Still, D1 players are far stronger than HS kids are, if only because 22 year old men have finished up puberty and have more years of full testosterone in them than an 18 year old coming in. Of course the usual work ethic, culture, equipment, coaching, etc all comes into play, no question.

The few HS and gap year kids we have at Driveline get exposed to professional athletes going about their business in a way that they have never considered. It's my job to hire and train the best coaches, give them the best environment including equipment and facilities, and set the culture by bringing in the right elite athletes ahead of them. I think I've done a good job. So when HS and young college kids see all of that, it's almost entirely on them to put forth the effort in the weight room, at home (sleep and nutrition), and bring the right mentality. Unfortunately, this is somewhat rare, simply because a 19 year old can't grasp the magnitude of how difficult baseball can and will be years down the road and what types of men they will compete against.

This, like many things in life, is a lesson that they will have to learn the hard way. And they will.

Kyle that was a great post!

2019Dad posted:

We all know that to meet D1 standards most kids will have to throw 90 (or somewhat close to it), have an exit velocity of 90 (or somewhat close to it), run a 7.0 sixty (or somewhat close to it), but I was wondering how strong D1 baseball players are?

For those with current or past college players, what are the normal thresholds, along the lines of the players can at least do this amount (leaving out the outliers, like a tiny SS who is lightning fast but not strong))?

• Back squat max? 350 lbs? 400 lbs?
• Deadlift?

Are there significant differences between pitchers and position players?

Thanks in advance.

Don’t they use a formula for back squat max?  Ex: 8 x 315 equates to around 400 max.  Probably going to blow out some backs & knees if loading it up.

We tested earlier in the fall

My numbers this year-

squat-495

deadlift- pretty easy 605

we had a few guys above 500 on the deadlifts. I do a ton of deadlifting and lifting. I'm about 5'9 and fluctuate between 210-220 lbs

Jesus, those are football numbers.  My best numbers were Bench: 205, Squat: 335, Deadlift: 365.  

We have some massive guys. Most of our team outlifts our football program... 

a division 1 football program has 300lb lineman that lift less than baseball players..

During all breaks and at the end of summer, son gets email with about 10 attachments on the workout program with max, reps @ % and specific exercises by position. And oh yeah...conditioning is a big part of the program and the "Beep Test" is no fun and a requirement to run. Son completed most reps upon return from this past summer.

D1catcher posted:

We have some massive guys. Most of our team outlifts our football program... 

a division 1 football program has 300lb lineman that lift less than baseball players..

Huh?