Son doesn't care who calls the pitches or what pitch is called, he is ready to throw before the batter gets in the box. He just wants the sign down quick, because he is coming as soon as he sees the sign. Changes a little with runners on, of course.
Most teams have their batter get in the box with their back hand up. Coach calls the pitches at our school. First game or so was a little off tempo. But the coach adjusted, gets signs in quick now. Son has stayed on rhythm last couple of games.
Go44dad posted:2022NYC posted:I don't understand why a mid 90s 2 seam with run directed at the hands is not a great 1-2 pitch? I will admit, I believe in pitching EV but high inside with run to me is least likely to "hang" and get banged
Because they often hit the batter.
I actually like that pitch 1-2 (even with the reality that none of my guys are anywhere near 90's). Yes, you want to work down and away often but you have to own both sides of the plate and you have to show a few pitches up on occasion to keep opposition honest and stretch the hitter's sights. The only pitch I never want to see inside is 0-2. A free pass on 0-2 is a cardinal sin. But a common offensive strategy to somewhat even the odds when behind in the count is to get closer to the plate. So, after 0-2, a P better be able to get back to working inside if he has to.
I agree with BDS nothing up. I have always taught all three of my sons to keep everything at the knees. Last night we had an umpire, not good one, didn't even bring a ball/strike indicator. Told everyone there that he didn't have one and would trust the scoreboard. LOL. He called everything consistently for both teams from waist to eyes. Only called two strikes all night below waist. Son struggled because he has never thrown pitches up except a few waste pitches that a summer coach called. I told him later that it was good because you never know in HS what umpires you will get. The catcher started telling the umpire when a curve or slider was coming so he would call it a strike. The things you do in high school baseball.
cabbagedad posted:Go44dad posted:2022NYC posted:I don't understand why a mid 90s 2 seam with run directed at the hands is not a great 1-2 pitch? I will admit, I believe in pitching EV but high inside with run to me is least likely to "hang" and get banged
Because they often hit the batter.
I actually like that pitch 1-2 (even with the reality that none of my guys are anywhere near 90's). Yes, you want to work down and away often but you have to own both sides of the plate and you have to show a few pitches up on occasion to keep opposition honest and stretch the hitter's sights. The only pitch I never want to see inside is 0-2. A free pass on 0-2 is a cardinal sin. But a common offensive strategy to somewhat even the odds when behind in the count is to get closer to the plate. So, after 0-2, a P better be able to get back to working inside if he has to.
I like your thinking Cabbage, unfortunately we don't see too many HS P's who can command the inside.
With off season pitching and velo improvements my 2018 will be splitting time between the MIF and the mound. So, I'm listening to everything you guys say... HS HC is planning to start him on the 3rd day of our 3 game conference series, instead of SS he'll play 2B to prevent too many long throws the 2 days prior to his start. I'm wondering what an ideal pitch count would be so that he's able to get back on defense after he pitches. (not sure if it's worthy of a new thread so mentioning it here...)
Go44dad posted:Son doesn't care who calls the pitches or what pitch is called, he is ready to throw before the batter gets in the box. He just wants the sign down quick, because he is coming as soon as he sees the sign. Changes a little with runners on, of course.
Most teams have their batter get in the box with their back hand up. Coach calls the pitches at our school. First game or so was a little off tempo. But the coach adjusted, gets signs in quick now. Son has stayed on rhythm last couple of games.
Coach calling pitches quickly is usually because the p coach believes in their pitchers working quickly and it usually isnt easy. That usually seperates the wheat from the shaft.
Both for coaches and students. That's one of the reasons son went where he did.
Pitchers need to learn to pitch inside. The younger they start the less afraid they are to do it. True you will hit batters along the way, but thats part of the learning process. It makes coaches and scouts take notice.
PitchingFan posted:I agree with BDS nothing up. I have always taught all three of my sons to keep everything at the knees. Last night we had an umpire, not good one, didn't even bring a ball/strike indicator. Told everyone there that he didn't have one and would trust the scoreboard. LOL. He called everything consistently for both teams from waist to eyes. Only called two strikes all night below waist. Son struggled because he has never thrown pitches up except a few waste pitches that a summer coach called. I told him later that it was good because you never know in HS what umpires you will get. The catcher started telling the umpire when a curve or slider was coming so he would call it a strike. The things you do in high school baseball.
A slightly-pedantic aside, and one that isn't intended to detract from the rest of your post:
Many very good umpires don't use indicators. With me, it's what I feel like that day--if I use one, it's not so much to keep track of the count, but to keep me from being fidgety. I don't like to use one because it can sometimes keep me from having my focus.
Good hitters can hit a fastball, especially at the college level, regardless of how hard you throw. A pitch up above the hands changes the eye level of the hitter and you can come back with a curveball to finish them off. Most pitching coaches in my experience call pitches. Even during the summer and with studs throwing mid 90s
How does one measure and evaluate the quality of the pitch calling?
bacdorslider posted: You can't , all pitch calling should be done by pitcher and catcher.
I really think it can be done, but the problem is it wouldn’t justify anyone other than the pitcher and catcher calling pitches and therefore wouldn’t be used. 
bacdorslider posted:Its my opinion that in high school, for the elite pitcher/catcher they are actually playing the game. They see things the coach does not see. They also k ow what the ump likes and what pitches are working for the pitcher. At least for us the scouting on other teams does not exsist, in college from my exp. Coaches do call pitches but the player coach relationship is deeper the scouting reports are better, the pitchers can execute better.
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BDR, I will agree with everything in this post. My son’s best friend was his catcher from about age 12 all the way through HS. The coaches had enough faith to let them call most games. There were situations where PC took over. No matter what, enjoy Ethan’s last season. College or pro ball will be so much more like work. Insist he have fun this last season and don’t let this issue detract from that joy.
