Icing in PRE-High School...Really????

I think it is important to think about the Marc Pro device or ESTIM use for pitchers in the context of the changes & philosophies that have evolved regarding increasing velocity & pitcher training over the last 30 years.

I pitched in College & MILB ending in the mid 90's. At that point in time I, personally, was not aware of ANYONE actively using: Rubber Tubing, Weighted Balls, Flex Sticks, Box Jumps, Extreme Long Toss, Cleans & Olympic Lifts and or any real significant weight training. (as a training / recovery method for pitchers)

Most all of these methods are fairly mainstream now for a large cross section of elite pitchers.  

What will science, technology and research bring us to the mainstream 30 years from now? Will pitching training and recovery look identical to today? Has everything been discovered and unlocked about velocity and arm care? Um, no!

If you were a Pro Pitching Coach back in the early 90's & suggested the above training methods you would have been unemployed in about 5 minutes. Now, 25 years later, if you do not incorporate many of the above methods you would also be unemployed in about 5 minutes. What does that tell you? It tells you that you must keep an open mind and do as much research as you can on a method, add a major dose of common sense and proceed accordingly. This is a must if you want to try to stay ahead of the curve and gain an edge.

I applied the above method to the Marc Pro issue. I ordered 1 early this week & my 2021 had it strapped on last night doing a global arm flush watching the Celtics beat GS after we threw long in the yard. Am I 100% positive that it will make him a better pitcher? No. Am I going to wait for 10 years of research to sift out a definitive answer? No. Do I think it will do him any harm? Quite the contrary. The increased blood flow and vascular dilation makes perfect sense to me as a layman on the medical aspect.

Don't post a lot any more, though I probably should.

Got on the Marc Pro bandwagon early on.  For my 2017 it did as described, flushed soreness, quicker to recover, and was vital to arm care protocol throughout HS, and summer seasons.  Definitely worthwhile, in my opinion.  Also, while I have not reviewed the other units that are more affordable, mentioned in this thread, my understanding is that Marc Pro uses an electrical wave different from most other units to promote the recovery and healing.  Marketing, or true?...who knows, just know our experience with it, and from what I have heard from others.

Having said the above, a cautionary tale:   The newer philosophies, training methods (Motus Sleeve), and recovery protocols (Marc Pro) are great, and we are learning more and more every day.  They provide added insurance, however it is only "insurance".  I would say that I have spent quite a bit of my life in baseball / learning about baseball, and try to keep up with the technology which of the last 10 years has accelerated more than any time in the past. 

My lefty son recently underwent TJ surgery late this summer.  He is currently living full-time in Seattle training at Driveline Baseball with some of the most progressive minds in baseball, as it relates to training pitchers, and rehab protocols.  Nobody could point to any misstep along the way, that would have predicted a near entire rupture of the UCL...in fact his surgeon indicated he likely unknowingly pitched with it torn for over a year.  I have my "ideas" of how it happened, mainly high stress innings during 3 consecutive years of Texas HS championship runs. 

The surgeon who performed his surgery pretty much echoed most of the medical field, that predicting, and / or preventing injuries is difficult at best.  On the day of his surgery, we sat across from a man that struck up a conversation with us, turned out his is an agent for two current pitchers that will likely be in the HOF....he was there because his son (who pitched this past summer for the winning Florida Gators) was having TJ by the same surgeon right after my son.  He indicated the same thing, his son was always following the latest & greatest training, and recovery programs...never complained before it happened, and had no obvious mechanical flaws that "should" have caused this. 

Yes, Marco Pro is great IMO, but you will find pitchers who throw until their 40's who never took a pitching lesson, or even iced, much less Marc Pro, and you will find pitchers (similar to son) who had TJ at an early age.

 

Back Foot,  Thanks for the post & information. Don't be a stranger. You are 100% correct in your summary. Particularly for high velo throwers there are just so many variables and when the arm is moving that fast anything is possible. Best wishes to you & your Son's recovery.

BishopLeftiesDad posted:

Sorry if this is off topic but I can not resist.

I do not know any 12 U who do not like Icing, But some do prefer frosting.

Pardon me while I run for cover. 

I know. It looks cool - especially at 12u - like you know what you're doing. However, nothing better than that look on people's face the first time they watch you use an e-stim with your arm jerking all over the place. When my kid was a freshman, his HC, who had been there since 1972 said, "I walked in the dugout and thought he was having a heart attack."

roothog66 posted:

Thought I'd add that my son also uses the MarcPro between innings while pitching. It's his experience that it keeps his arm loose and he can step on the mound without really needing more than one or two warm up pitches.

The discussion on the MarcPro is interesting.

Kyle mentioned it for recovery. It sounds like your son is doing it for general looseness?

For pitchers, is MarcPro used on the shoulder? Elsewhere?

2019Dad posted:
roothog66 posted:

Thought I'd add that my son also uses the MarcPro between innings while pitching. It's his experience that it keeps his arm loose and he can step on the mound without really needing more than one or two warm up pitches.

The discussion on the MarcPro is interesting.

Kyle mentioned it for recovery. It sounds like your son is doing it for general looseness?

For pitchers, is MarcPro used on the shoulder? Elsewhere?

Yeah, as a pitcher, he uses it on the shoulder and elbow. For lifting, he uses it everywhere - legs, back. Pretty much anywhere but the chest or head for obvious reasons.

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