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The RYNO post is typical of the current trend in our country---why look things up and do your own research when others will do the work for you?

We have all too many posters coming on here asking questions without ever thinking about the GOOGLE BUTTON


Folks do a small bit of homework before posting
TR,..perhaps RYNO did look it up, ( as did I ) and still had questions about the interpretation(s). (?)

I originally thought I knew the answer and started to post to him, but as I dug deeper into the definitions from Wickpedia and the NCAA site, they became kind of intertwined and somewhat confusing.

You presented the link for LOI from Wickpedia, but not the link from Wickpedia for NLI, so here it is for those who are curious:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Letter_of_Intent

It is my understanding that an LOI is binding. ( but to whom? The university & the athlete? The NCAA too? Both? Neither? All three? )

From Wickpedia:
quote:
The program forbids a prospective student athlete (PSA) from being recruited after signing an LOI; because LOIs are binding, an athlete's decision to sign marks the end of the recruiting process.


More from Wickpedia:

" A letter of intent or LOI is a document outlining an agreement between two or more parties before the agreement is finalized. "

The legal purposes of an LOI may be:
- to clarify the key points of a complex transaction for the convenience of the parties
- to declare officially that the parties are currently negotiating, as in a merger or joint venture proposal
- to provide safeguards in case a deal collapses during negotiation


The National Letter of Intent program is administered jointly by the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) and the Collegiate Commissioners Association to regulate the recruitment of high school athletes into collegiate athletic programs.


I guess some colleges require a LOI to be signed BEFORE a NLI ( which I'm guessing is the only official document recognized by the NCAA between all three parties.- ?? ) is signed.

I'm curious to know how standard this procedure is. Do many colleges require a LOI? Perhaps others will know.
My son was not asked to sign a LOI. Only a NLI. If he had been, I would have wanted specific clarification.

I understand why RYNO asked his question.
Last edited by shortstopmom
Bobblehead,
quote:
LOIs are common in business and are only a starting point to see if a contract can be hammered out.

Thats how I interpreted a LOI,..but then when I read
quote:
The program forbids a prospective student athlete (PSA) from being recruited after signing an LOI; because LOIs are binding, an athlete's decision to sign marks the end of the recruiting process.


from Wickpedia, it made me confused.

LOI's are binding between what parties?
The PSA and the University? The PSA, the University, and the NCAA??? I cant seem to find LOI specifically on the NCAA website.

A coach can cancel a LOI? Can a PSA? If so what are the ramifications, if any?
Last edited by shortstopmom
I did look it up and that is why I posted the question but of course TRHIT forgot to take his meds and assumes that everyone is an idiot and he is the only one that posts an educated response and/or question.

So I'll go a step further my son has been offerred a pre-ferred walkon invitation to a D1 program which is his top choice on his short list (he has turned down offers from other programs) and since this program is within Florida funding is not a concern.. The verbal from the coach in person this week indicated that he would be inroled as a student athlete and would have the entire fall season to earn his roster spot. The reason for the question was son wishes to committ to this program and I wanted to know if he can formally committ without any financial monies being promised.
I really appreciated that posters on this site and the amount of education I and others have received. I however learned long ago in my professional life that it is prudent to ask question when seeking a clearer answer. Again I'm sorry if trhit is offended... but so what.

Can son officially committ and announce his intentions and can he sign a LOI without and finacial consideration from University?
RYNO

Instead of your initial post why not say you have done research on the topic and still do not undertsand it--- can anyone help me

You come on with a post in CAPS like you are lost and drowning--like a SOS so to speak

By the way RYNO I do not take meds--I get up early, have coffee and read and then express myself--you do not want to listen then DON'T

But so what--I am never offended---too late for that and for those who carry an attitude .

The question you ask now is not the same question you asked to start this thread and a few others---there are no NLOI/LOI if there is no baseball money.
There is nothing OFFICIAL without a NLOI/LOI.


Good luck to your son
It is my understanding, after talking with a D1 program's compliance officer, that the NCAA prohibits programs from issuing any sort of document that would "bind" a non-athletic money recruit to its school. No documents can be issued, even symbolic LOI's to be used only for a signing day ceremony. This is because, as shortstopmom put it, the athlete is free to walk away from a non-athletic money offer without any ramifications, even if the school offers the athlete other types of monies to play (academic scholarship, leadership scholarship, etc.). Without an NLI (National Letter of Intent), a program has no "hold" over a recruit and if he receives a better offer from another program before the first day of class, he is free to accept it.
Last edited by Infield08
For whatever it is worth, I am not sure any of us know/understand what a LOI is in the context of college athletic recruiting.
I do know it is different than the NLI.
Locally, the University of San Francisco started using something quite similar to a LOI. May have even called it an LOI.
It permitted players who were not being offered any baseball scholarship money to still have acknowledgment they were/are recruited and have been offered some preferential position within the baseball program. The players were not listed within those signing NLI's, but did get other local recognition of being a USF recruit.
That sounds similar to what is being offered here.
If so, there isn't anything binding whatsoever.
The player can walk away as can the school.
It is not governed by the NCAA or the NLI and does not have any process of enforcement.
In effect, it is a player stating I intend to attend a certain school. But there isn't any money involved or other "consideration." It isn't a contract and it isn't binding, if this LOI is on a par with those reported locally.
I just did a search and found the link on this site for the USF players.
They did sign a letter of intent.
I have some recall of Observer 44 or justbaseball(???) maybe/perhaps posting something about these on a local site but I couldn't find it.
http://hsbaseballweb.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2686003481/...881099351#4881099351

Oops, found another one with a bit more "juice" to it:

http://hsbaseballweb.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4686003481/...791012691#4791012691
Last edited by infielddad
Ryno,

Here are the answers to your questions.

quote:
Can son officially commit and announce his intentions


Yes. He can verbal at any time.

quote:
can he sign a LOI without and financial consideration from University?


No. The NCAA does not allow a player to sign a LOI unless they are receiving a baseball scholarship. If he is receiving no baseball monies than he cannot sign an LOI.

Actually the above answer is wrong. You could sign the LOI, but it would be non-binding and would not matter because it cannot be turned into the NCAA. It would be signing a worthless document.

When a player signs a LOI the school must put that into the Clearinghouse computer system so no other schools can contact the player. However, they cannot put it into the system unless the player receives at least a 25% scholarship based on NCAA rules.

I hope this info helps.
As far as my understanding NLI is signed only when any athletic money is awarded and an LOI (not an NLI) can be given by the school if academic money awarded. Also, what verbal? Just an invitation to try out for a roster spot.

Ryno, as far as I understand, your son is receiving no academic and no athletic money and cannot be awarded either. He is essentially a recrutied (invited) walk on, most likely along with quite a few others. If anything else comes up let us know.

I wouldn't have my son commit anything for an invited walk on position, might have a better offer come along right up until start of next fall, a better offer being money. But then again, your son has no formal agreement, so what the heck. I would still leave his options open.

Best of luck.

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