Looking for experienced set of eyes

I took this video of my son this week.  He's a fast kid we know, but a pretty competent baseball connected friend commented on just how fast he was.  He timed him and said that he was extraordinarily fast.  I've researched and if the numbers are correct in what I've read he's right.  Anyone else offer some insight?  I mean we know his 60 time, but never really timed his home to 1st base before.  We know speed is a huge tool that is either God given or isn't.  Just wanting some educated eyes to give us insight.

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The only way to really tell is to put a stop watch on him.  So, I did so several times for this video and I come up with about 3.8 sec +., which is indeed fast . . .particularly for a RHB.  This would be well above average for a HS player or for any RHB at any level for that matter.    Putting a stopwatch on him during a live game with be the best way to get the best measurement.

 

PS:  If you don't have s top watch but do have a smart phone, you can download a stop watch app and take your own measurements. 

He is a college freshman at a pretty competitive NAIA school.  3.8 is what our "competent" baseball friend said as well.  We've known he's a speeder but guessing we just didn't know how fast he was comparable to others in real life game situations.  We come from a small school and realized we were in a fishbowl early on.  He was the fastest kid in our county but again small Texas towns so never thought that he indeed could be as gifted in speed as what we are learning he is.  I am enclosing one more video from the same day.  I had him slightly faster on this one then the previous one.  I did just what you said and got my smart phone and started timing the videos to see if I got the same.  People tell us the speed tool is very important but not nearly as important as you may think.  He's transition from a 3rd baseman to an outfielder in college.  This has been a learning experience for him, but one he's taken on full force.

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Yes, I'm getting something just a little faster in this video too.  But I would still call it at or around 3.8.  Speed is indeed an important tool as it helps a lot with production in that he will tend to get on base more often with those safe call.  And guys that are fast can get more extra bases and steal bases to get into scoring position.  It's a big plus if he can add this + tool to some other average or even below average tools.  Someone with that kind of speed can be a + in the outfield if he learns how to play out there and track down fly balls properly.  So, the coach moving in to the outfield sounds like it is a good decision.  

Good luck to him.  I hope that like my son's freshman year, he's bringing a big smile to the game and really enjoying himself.

Curious as to what his 60 time is . . . I mean, if he is truly 3.8 HTF . . . as a RHH that is literally off the chart:

Objective Tool Grades

 Tool Is CalledFastball VeloBatting AvgHomersRHH to 1BLHH to 1B60 Yd Run
808097.32040+4.003.906.3
75 96.31035-404.053.956.4
70Plus Plus95.30030-354.104.006.5
65 94.29027-304.154.056.6
60Plus93.28023-274.204.106.7
55Above Avg92.27019-224.254.156.8
50Avg90-91.26015-184.304.206.9-7.0
45Below Avg89.25012-154.354.257.1
40 88.2408-124.404.307.2
35 87.2305-84.454.357.3
30 86.2203-54.504.407.4

 

See www.fangraphs.com/blogs/scouti...0-80-scouting-scale/

I believe Tanner English CF at South Carolina was a Right handed batter/speedster who was converted to a Switch hitter "officially" his freshman year at USC.  For same reasons.  With that speed FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BOX as your leadoff?  Not sure how the switch hitting experiment ended with English at USC?  He used his speed in CF obviously but I seem to recall later in his career with Gamecocks he usually hit as a Righty, due to  an "injury."  Not sure what that was about?  I took it that the "experiment" of getting him to switch hit was on the rocks and he just wasn't comfortable doing it?  And with hid speed out of the right handed side of box he did just fine anyway.

HTF and 60 times dont always translate, but the 3.8 is more important. And what's nice is that it was recorded in a live at bat with a full swing, not a half swing trying to record a low time. I don't know if I have seen a 1.5 or lower in the 10 yard split, but this guy might be in that range.

His 60 varies between 6.4-6.7.  We are from a small Texas district and never had his 10 yard split timed.  He dominated in track and in football and we know the easy ones like 60 and 100 but that's about it.  He just turned 19 in December.  I do have a video that he ran an in the park homerun in 14 some odd seconds from home to home from the time the ball hit the bat until he crossed home plate again.

Only because you asked, the ABs do look "best case" to me.  He's obviously a speedster, but he is leaning toward 1B at contact in both videos. Do you have a clip from an AB where he's driving the ball up the middle? I wonder if it makes much difference. There's an article on mlb.com about Trout going 3.53 on a bunt toward 1B, while his time on a ground ball to the left side was 3.82. I use a sundial on my kid, so I'm not an expert.

MidAtlanticDad posted:

Only because you asked, the ABs do look "best case" to me.  He's obviously a speedster, but he is leaning toward 1B at contact in both videos. Do you have a clip from an AB where he's driving the ball up the middle? I wonder if it makes much difference. There's an article on mlb.com about Trout going 3.53 on a bunt toward 1B, while his time on a ground ball to the left side was 3.82. I use a sundial on my kid, so I'm not an expert.

I agree that those two particular AB's look very much as "best case" to me too and of course it does make a little difference..  But still . . . he's pretty darn fast.

#1bballmomfan posted:

Ok because my lingo is limited "best case" would mean?

It's referring to the particular pitch he's hitting, he's already leaning well towards 1st base for a quick first step out of the box.  Pitch location when he hits the ball will effect his body position leading to just how quick he can get out of the box.

Speed is important but I would not try to concentrate on it too much. Work on power and staying back, getting a good turn and drive the ball hard in the air.

Most hitters won't be able to do the ichiro running hit and by trying to cheat out of the box they will sacrifice contact quality.

Of course I don't know that particular batter, just wanting to warn against focusing on home to first too much.

Super fast, like how he starts out low and head down. How's he hitting this year? That speed will catch the eyes of the scouts and if he has a couple more tools to go with it he will get some serious looks from the scouts. 

Some insight and things for you to look for.

Quality at bats: squared up hard hits or outs, 7 or more pitches in a at bat, a walk, sac bunt/fly.

Well months have passed and he has started another year.  I have a few questions.....at their scrimmage this weekend a scout I assume local area scout was there.  My question is if they note something what exactly does that mean?  Do they only note things on players they are interested in or do they have to write a minimum amount of items to write their report?  The scout only wrote on about 5-6 of the players total from both teams.  My son was one of them.  I admit I was stalking his sheet only because it was at times view-able to me from where I was sitting.  I also want it noted that I was sitting in my location first and he sat in from of me.   I know sometimes they do team write ups but this didn't appear like that because of the few scribbles he made.   Just wondering what it all means if anything and how important it is to get a notation by your name.  I know he's not eligible for the draft yet just curious what it all means.

Without knowing what the scouts notes said, I'm guessing he had some of the players on a follow list.  The notes could be positive or negative in that case.  If he didn't know about a player and was taking notes, they were most likely positive notes.  Possibly would write a report on him.

His running ability, is obvious.  He is an 8 runner!  For reference, we used to get Byron Buxton in the 3.8s from the right side.  He was one of the fastest we have seen.  2nd over all pick in the 1st round of the draft.  So in this case everything will depend on the other skills, because your son will be one of the fastest runners in all of baseball.

Good luck and I would be interested in knowing more about him.

PGStaff posted:

Without knowing what the scouts notes said, I'm guessing he had some of the players on a follow list.  The notes could be positive or negative in that case.  If he didn't know about a player and was taking notes, they were most likely positive notes.  Possibly would write a report on him.

His running ability, is obvious.  He is an 8 runner!  For reference, we used to get Byron Buxton in the 3.8s from the right side.  He was one of the fastest we have seen.  2nd over all pick in the 1st round of the draft.  So in this case everything will depend on the other skills, because your son will be one of the fastest runners in all of baseball.

Good luck and I would be interested in knowing more about him.

I PM'd you PGStaff.  

 

the first video i got him 3.88 twice, the second video i got him at 7.98 because of the buffering,, lol, but got him at 3.66/7.  The difference is on the first video the first pitch high and inside 3rd, the pitch he hit was outside 3rd and wasn't ready.   The second video he already saw that same exact pitch and was ready and pulled it, launching his body toward first, hence faster time.  my opinion.

Here’s another home 2 first bunt from son tonight.  He had surgery to fix sports hernia this past April and is finally back.  His speed is still intact and he keeps getting better all the time.  Curious to compare the two videos to see changes and progress.  Welcome feedback.

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A friend of my son's is an OF at a mid-major.  We knew he was fast...he was a HS QB.  He made the All Star game for his college summer league team last summer.  Ran a 6.41 60....he had so many people talking that they made him run again....6.43.  He's 6'2, 210 with a lot of power.  Guess what....he went from an unknown to one of the top draft prospects in the league in about 6.43 seconds lol.   He has gotten contacted by over half the MLB teams and some of the projected draft positions for him are pretty crazy for a small town kid who had had knee surgery last summer and was only cleared to run 3 days before he put up those crazy 60 numbers.   You know what they say....you can't teach speed. 

Buckeye 2015 posted:

A friend of my son's is an OF at a mid-major.  We knew he was fast...he was a HS QB.  He made the All Star game for his college summer league team last summer.  Ran a 6.41 60....he had so many people talking that they made him run again....6.43.  He's 6'2, 210 with a lot of power.  Guess what....he went from an unknown to one of the top draft prospects in the league in about 6.43 seconds lol.   He has gotten contacted by over half the MLB teams and some of the projected draft positions for him are pretty crazy for a small town kid who had had knee surgery last summer and was only cleared to run 3 days before he put up those crazy 60 numbers.   You know what they say....you can't teach speed. 

Well he just turned 21 and I guess we just see how the season pans out.  I guess anything is possible.  

He may get drafted, but the draft round won't  be just determined on speed but rather power, other skills, program he is coming from (who he played against) eligibility left etc.

My suggestion sit back relax, enjoy the season. If its meant to be it will happen at some point.

Opinions are great but only the scouts will determine if the player should be recommended for the draft.

Good luck. Enjoy.

2019Dad posted:

Curious as to what his 60 time is . . . I mean, if he is truly 3.8 HTF . . . as a RHH that is literally off the chart:

Objective Tool Grades

 Tool Is CalledFastball VeloBatting AvgHomersRHH to 1BLHH to 1B60 Yd Run
808097.32040+4.003.906.3
75 96.31035-404.053.956.4
70Plus Plus95.30030-354.104.006.5
65 94.29027-304.154.056.6
60Plus93.28023-274.204.106.7
55Above Avg92.27019-224.254.156.8
50Avg90-91.26015-184.304.206.9-7.0
45Below Avg89.25012-154.354.257.1
40 88.2408-124.404.307.2
35 87.2305-84.454.357.3
30 86.2203-54.504.407.4

 

See www.fangraphs.com/blogs/scouti...0-80-scouting-scale/

Who's hitting 40+ homers in a season at this age?  What time period is this?  4 years of HS?  

Midwest Mom posted:
2019Dad posted:

Curious as to what his 60 time is . . . I mean, if he is truly 3.8 HTF . . . as a RHH that is literally off the chart:

Objective Tool Grades

 Tool Is CalledFastball VeloBatting AvgHomersRHH to 1BLHH to 1B60 Yd Run
808097.32040+4.003.906.3
75 96.31035-404.053.956.4
70Plus Plus95.30030-354.104.006.5
65 94.29027-304.154.056.6
60Plus93.28023-274.204.106.7
55Above Avg92.27019-224.254.156.8
50Avg90-91.26015-184.304.206.9-7.0
45Below Avg89.25012-154.354.257.1
40 88.2408-124.404.307.2
35 87.2305-84.454.357.3
30 86.2203-54.504.407.4

 

See www.fangraphs.com/blogs/scouti...0-80-scouting-scale/

Who's hitting 40+ homers in a season at this age?  What time period is this?  4 years of HS?  

This chart if for major leaguers.  

And when scouts look at your kids, they try to project if and how they might get to such numbers if they're not already there.  If they ARE already there in more than one category and are ++, then it's very possible they'll be 1st round or very high round pics.

Stop watching 60s and HTF is pretty difficult, with too much room for error.  The method I use is taking the video into an app, which you can add start and stop markers, then get the true times computed for you.  Just using my phone and taking a video of your video, then using the app, I got 4.038 and 3.961.  Still very fast...  The app I use is VStopwatch

3.75 on bunt.

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