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The score is 0-0 going to the bottom of the 1st inning. 1st 7 hitters reach and starting pitcher leaves with the score 4-0 and the based loaded. The next pitcher allows the 3 runners from the other pitcher to score and 2 more as well making the score 9-0 after 1.

 

Visiting team scores 2 in the 3rd to make it 9-2 and 6 in the 4th making it 9-8. 2nd pitcher gives up 6 more in the bottom of the 4th and the score ends up 18-8 in the bottom of the 5th with 3 other pitchers giving up 3 more runs. Technically the starter should get the loss, but in this case I gave the loss to the 2nd pitcher.

 

This is one of those things that’s patently stupid, but I suppose I’ll end up changing it. It just pi$$es me off to charge a pitcher with a loss like that. It could be that the starting pitcher throws 1 pitch and gives up a home run while injuring himself and having to be removed from the game and the subsequent pitcher gives up 19 more runs in the 1st inning, but the final score being 20-19. It sticks in my craw that the start gets tagged with the loss.

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playball2011 posted:

Sounds like all the P need some work. Was your son one of them?

Wouldn't worry about HS w-l records for P, not a major deal. I've seen some teams use their best P against horrible teams so kids stats will look better. 

 

Well, to be honest they need more than just some work on the mound, but at this point it’s pretty much academic.

 

My son graduated in 2004. I keep doing this because I love HS baseball.

Stats, first pitcher gets the loss as you and I both know. W/L is a stat that has way too much passion tied to it. IMHO, one of the most worthless measures of pitching (especially relief pitching) in baseball.

Look at Minor League ball. The best prospects have losing records as they're all starting pitchers who only go 4-5 innings. If they're behind, they lose. If they're ahead, they don't pitch enough innings to get a win. They still make the bigs if they're good enough

JMoff posted:

Stats, first pitcher gets the loss as you and I both know. W/L is a stat that has way too much passion tied to it. IMHO, one of the most worthless measures of pitching (especially relief pitching) in baseball.

 

Look at Minor League ball. The best prospects have losing records as they're all starting pitchers who only go 4-5 innings. If they're behind, they lose. If they're ahead, they don't pitch enough innings to get a win. They still make the bigs if they're good enough

As I said, I know who should get the loss by the book, but I have to hold my nose when I hang a L on the starter in this particular instance. There are some things in the book that when applied suck, but there’s nothing that says I have to like them.

 

I'm a pitcher's dad, so I feel your pain.  But, the fact that the starter gave up 4 runs and 3 more of his runners scored lessen the blow for me.  7 runs in less than 2 innings, he probably deserves the loss, even though the game took some other turns from there.  

What irks me about this process is a starter goes say 5 or 6 innings giving up 1 run and is behind 1-0 when he leaves.  Relievers give up another 5 and the team loses 6-5.  That's a tough loss to take because the starter pitched well.  But, this pitcher gave up a bunch of runs on his own, so I really don't see that he deserves anything but the loss.

bballman posted:

I'm a pitcher's dad, so I feel your pain.  But, the fact that the starter gave up 4 runs and 3 more of his runners scored lessen the blow for me.  7 runs in less than 2 innings, he probably deserves the loss, even though the game took some other turns from there.  

What irks me about this process is a starter goes say 5 or 6 innings giving up 1 run and is behind 1-0 when he leaves.  Relievers give up another 5 and the team loses 6-5.  That's a tough loss to take because the starter pitched well.  But, this pitcher gave up a bunch of runs on his own, so I really don't see that he deserves anything but the loss.

 

Actually, for me the problem isn’t in how winning and losing pitchers are chosen by the rules. The problem is choosing a winning or losing pitcher at all.

 

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