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BOF posted:

My head is going to explode if  I hear "Sweet Caroline" one more time....

Agreed.  It has a much better ring to it when the Red Sox actually (freaking) win.   When they lose in the playoffs, the song is a reminder of how poorly their GM has put together this team, Manager makes moves, and players execute. 

Opening day 2018 is 172 days but who is counting.  Red Sox Nation is very restless right now after losing poorly in the playoffs, and it isn't for a new seventh inning stretch song.  

joemktg posted:

Stupid, stupid, stupid decision by Dusty! Dammit. What a fool! This is the same manager who doesn't hesitate to leave a guy in with 140 pitches. 

Friggin' idiot. 

True, but the offense has been just pathetic. Look at the starts turned in by Stras & Scherzer & you clock 2 L's scoring a combined 1 run in 18 innings. The run you get is because a guy can't catch a fly ball. Really? If you want to ream Dusty do it for delivering a team playing scared at the plate. Turner is terrified. All the rest are pressing so hard its painful to watch. The only exceptions are Harper & Taylor who are aggressive at the dish.

Steve A. posted: The only exceptions are Harper & Taylor who are aggressive at the dish.

Zim has control at the plate, as does Michael A. Throw Harper sweeping breaking balls and you have him out of sync (assuming you don't hang a curve). Everyone else? No one has any idea what is going on. Even Murphy looks completely fooled in the box, swinging at low-inside when he normally lays off that crap. Inexplicable.

I am so pissed about taking Scherzer out. I know he said he can go 100 pitches, but that was an estimate, and he could clearly go more. Pitch around Schwarber and face Heyward and Russell. But to take him out for....SAMMY SOLIS?? Are you kidding me??? THE Sammy Solis who has a 5.88 ERA, and faced Almora once before...and Almora doubled off of him. Now 2 ABs, 2 doubles.

 

What it boils down to is this: Do you prefer Scherzer vs Schwarber or Solis vs Almora, because you know Maddon is going to pinch hit? No doubt I roll with Max. Also, why can't you let Maddon declare Almora & just come out & pull Solis ( use him without using him) & then bring in Madson to throw to Almora? Hell, you are already in the 7th so what if you spend Solis? You have a full pen & you must win this game. Get the matchup you want.   

joemktg posted:
Steve A. posted: The only exceptions are Harper & Taylor who are aggressive at the dish.

Zim has control at the plate, as does Michael A. Throw Harper sweeping breaking balls and you have him out of sync (assuming you don't hang a curve). Everyone else? No one has any idea what is going on. Even Murphy looks completely fooled in the box, swinging at low-inside when he normally lays off that crap. Inexplicable.

I am so pissed about taking Scherzer out. I know he said he can go 100 pitches, but that was an estimate, and he could clearly go more. Pitch around Schwarber and face Heyward and Russell. But to take him out for....SAMMY SOLIS?? Are you kidding me??? THE Sammy Solis who has a 5.88 ERA, and faced Almora once before...and Almora doubled off of him. Now 2 ABs, 2 doubles.

 

Agreed Joe.   It was a "clown move bro" to take Scherzer out.  Solis (LHP) has been good at times but has been inconsistent all season.   You have one of the three best pitchers in MLB on the mound with some gas in his tank.  You don't take Scherzer out (tied 1-1 in a 3 game series) unless you've lost your mind.

3and2Fastball posted:

Why do you have Oliver Perez pitch to Rizzo when you have Sean Doolittle available?  Because Doolittle is thought of as the "9th Inning guy"?!  Dusty might be a little too old school for the modern game.

Totally agree. I am getting beat with Doolittle, Madsen & or Kintzler from the 7th inning on, period. You have 8 outs to get with a 1 run lead & you get beat with your bottom guys in the pen. This is not smart.

These guys fall in love with the matchup game & it ends up you have your 5th best reliever in the wrong spot vs a right handed hitter with the season effectively on the line anyway! It's a joke.

Solis does not even belong on the big club, he is one of the MANY reasons they went and got 3 guys for their pen, and Baker has now made yet another blundering error.  Out-managed yet again.

Rendon has not hit 3rd all season.  So he moves him there for the playoffs?  Bench Worth he is worthless, he along with the rest of the team won't dive for balls.  Put in Adam Lind who can hit at least.  Maybe bench Turner for Difo, who was excellent all season...

It is absolutely infuriating to see this team -- another DC franchise who tops out in the regular season -- choke again.  Scherzer said it best in the dugout when he came out of the game, with his run of F bombs.   Both amazing starts from the two aces completely wasted.  And now they face Arrieta.  

With you Joe -- unbelievable.  It seems Dusty doesn't want to hurt Tanner's feelings!  Some line like he was supposed to have the start anyway...

THE SERIES IS ON THE LINE.

First you put in minor leaguer (no offense to anyone else in the minors) Solis who has not been able to get the job done all season long, and then the baseball gods smile down and give you a day of rest and you decide that Roark is a better option than your #1 draft pick ace.  No offense to Tanner.  He has done everything you have asked all season, but ask him to sit his ass in the bullpen tomorrow and yield to the better pitcher.  

I have never liked Dusty's in-game management, the modern game has definitely passed him by.  I would prefer Chicago to get through as I think the Dodgers match up better against them, plus a little bit of the revenge factor would make that series more interesting. 

I really like the make up of the Diamondbacks, they will be a factor for years to come... but police on horseback to protect your pool? Seriously...

I am extending a heartfelt "Texas" welcome for any disheartened fans of other organizations to join the Astros fan base.  Young stars, with many more on the way.  Built to win for both now and the future.  We have plenty of room for you!

AND WE PLAY THE COTTON-EYED JOE IN THE SEVENTH INNING STRETCH!

(But we can't pay like Bama pays.)

 

Go44dad posted:

I am extending a heartfelt "Texas" welcome for any disheartened fans of other organizations to join the Astros fan base.  Young stars, with many more on the way.  Built to win for both now and the future.  We have plenty of room for you!

AND WE PLAY THE COTTON-EYED JOE IN THE SEVENTH INNING STRETCH!

(But we can't pay like Bama pays.)

 

You Texans got the poors.

fenwaysouth posted:
joemktg posted:
Steve A. posted: The only exceptions are Harper & Taylor who are aggressive at the dish.

Zim has control at the plate, as does Michael A. Throw Harper sweeping breaking balls and you have him out of sync (assuming you don't hang a curve). Everyone else? No one has any idea what is going on. Even Murphy looks completely fooled in the box, swinging at low-inside when he normally lays off that crap. Inexplicable.

I am so pissed about taking Scherzer out. I know he said he can go 100 pitches, but that was an estimate, and he could clearly go more. Pitch around Schwarber and face Heyward and Russell. But to take him out for....SAMMY SOLIS?? Are you kidding me??? THE Sammy Solis who has a 5.88 ERA, and faced Almora once before...and Almora doubled off of him. Now 2 ABs, 2 doubles.

 

Agreed Joe.   It was a "clown move bro" to take Scherzer out.  Solis (LHP) has been good at times but has been inconsistent all season.   You have one of the three best pitchers in MLB on the mound with some gas in his tank.  You don't take Scherzer out (tied 1-1 in a 3 game series) unless you've lost your mind.

Yep.   Taking Scherzer out was a bone head move.  What was Dusty thinking?

And now Roark on the mound for a must win game 4?  

Teaching Elder posted:

I am sensing a lot of frustration, disappointment and disillusionment with Nats fans.  I want to extend this offer to you all to become Alabama Football fans.  They almost never lose.

Better yet, make that a move to being a Clemson fan. 

They know how to beat Bama!!!!

joemktg posted:

Friggin' annoyed to no end by Baker's stupidity. This team was built to get to the playoffs, and this dumbass mucks it up. At least if they lose today, then I can focus on my NY Giants.

OH WAIT....

First....Go Cubs.....

Now that that is out of the way, I was at the game on Monday.  I have to agree with everyone on pulling Scherzer.  Pretty much everyone around us was trying to figure out what Dusty was up to. Though we thank him for it. We had to put up with Dusty for a number of years so everyone pretty much figured it was another Dusty move.  

So, your season is on the line & you have to decide between A: Tanner Roark or B: Your co-ace who just threw the hell out of it in game 1, on 3 days rest. Jeeze that's just such a tough one..... 

Oh but he's under the weather & his bullpen did not line up right & bla bla bla. The fact of the matter is that if Roark wobbles early, Strasburg IS IN THE FREAKIN GAME anyway, so just start him & skip the Roark drama.

I love Roark but Roark's stuff compared to Strasburg is like JV to Varsity. Its not even in the zip code.

If you win you start Roark in game 5. You have Gio available on 3 days & Scherzer would be good for a couple as its his bullpen day.

I'm sure they've been doing all they can to help speed his recovery.  My guess is they asked him this morning how he felt.  Until that point, the key thing was to ensure that Roark was mentally ready to start.

I would also guess that they'll have a short leash on Strasburg today.  He may be 100% for first pitch, but stamina could be compromised.  At that point, you could see Roark (who has experience in middle relief) and pretty much every one else but Scherzer before it's done.  Even Gio Gonzalez might be asked to cover 2-3 innings if it comes to that.

I would bet that they are quietly doing all they can to help Scherzer prepare to start tomorrow.  If it were me, I would have put him on a plane to DC by now, but knowing Scherzer, he would probably have refused to leave the team in its hour of need.

Midlo Dad posted:

I'm sure they've been doing all they can to help speed his recovery.  My guess is they asked him this morning how he felt.  Until that point, the key thing was to ensure that Roark was mentally ready to start.

I would also guess that they'll have a short leash on Strasburg today.  He may be 100% for first pitch, but stamina could be compromised.  At that point, you could see Roark (who has experience in middle relief) and pretty much every one else but Scherzer before it's done.  Even Gio Gonzalez might be asked to cover 2-3 innings if it comes to that.

I would bet that they are quietly doing all they can to help Scherzer prepare to start tomorrow.  If it were me, I would have put him on a plane to DC by now, but knowing Scherzer, he would probably have refused to leave the team in its hour of need.

Elim game.  Scherzer will stay with team just in case.  Verlander and Sale were first in in the Astros / Red Sox.

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