National signing day is the reason for entitled athletes

College football players should be paid.

Best of luck; you are now legally insane.

BTW why did you change the subject mid-rant to the military?   That's kind of insa... Oh, never mind.

You are on a baseball site and in your first line you said "I laugh at anyone that gives any of this football national signing day any attention. "....um....you kind of....um......*crickets*

Everybody entitled to their view...   Baseball players at this stage have a high signing rate to the college they verbally accepted offers.  NCAA, College Coach's, Players, Parents take note of what's happening with early signings with Football & Basketball. 

Hate early signings, LOVE college signing day.  Regardless of early signings and constant swapping, Signing day is chance for a kid to take the first formal step toward their dream of playing in college.  What's not to like?

Gov posted:

 

Hate early signings, LOVE college signing day.  Regardless of early signings and constant swapping, Signing day is chance for a kid to take the first formal step toward their dream of playing in college.  What's not to like?

  

 

Agree!  Signing day should be a big deal. Football is big because these guys will make or break a program. And  I agree that they SHOULD get paid, I never felt that way, but college football is so HUGE, makes SO much money for the programs and NCAA, they should be rewarded. 

So a kid works his butt off to earn a dream come true and we shouldn't celebrate it?  I don't know about that.  Yeah we have problems with college athletics but this isn't what makes them entitled.  That starts at home then progresses to youth coaches who want to win at all costs instead of teaching the game.  Then you get to travel / AAU / showcase / high school (whoever) and they get special treatment there.  All of that is what creates entitlement long before a 10 minute at most ceremony to sign a letter of intent to fulfill a dream.  What I see on these signings are appreciative kids who are typically giving thanks to whoever helped get them there.  

I don't see the reason for not celebrating true success.  Yeah let's fix the problems but this isn't one of them and I don't care what sport it is.  Last week we had a cheerleader sign to cheer in college.  This young lady is getting fulfill a dream while getting a great education.  Why wouldn't we want to celebrate that?

College athletes should be reimbursed for monies the colleges make off them. They should receive a check when they GRADUATE. 

National Signing day is a big deal for many HS students who work hard at their sport to celebrate, and look towards becoming future athlete students.

How is this a problem now? I had a signing day in 1991. All local media was there. Just didn't have Twitter lol. I don't think you can blame a modern problem like entitlement on something that's happened for generations. Oh wait entitlement of great athletes has happened since before I was born and before signing days. So I guess it's still not the cause. 

 Oh wait the problem is entitlement of average to below average athletes. Yes I agree that's a new problem but then hey, none of them are having signing days.

I guess some people aren't happy unless they're complaining about something... We had a great day yesterday at our school's National Signing Day Ceremony... It was wonderful and inspiring... 

NAA-NAA-NA-NA-BOO-BOO!

Passion, when was the last time a group of fans lined the hallways for a mathlete competition?

It's our society. It's the family, friends, fans and onlookers that worship, idolize and reinforce from a very young age that athletic success ranks at the top for us.

Have you ever heard someone scream "Yeah!!  Way to not end a sentence in a preposition!!"

Go44dad posted:

Passion, when was the last time a group of fans lined the hallways for a mathlete competition?

 

Hey, isn't there a Spelling Bee on TV this Sunday?  My neighbor's having a party for it (he invited me to a SB party, so I assume that's it).  Can't wait.

The national signing day is about celebrating accomplishments for recruited athletes that have worked hard to get a college athletic opportunity.  What they do with this signing opportunity is really up to them, their values and a reflection of how they were brought up.  

The "look at me" signing day shenanigans comes and goes every year.  It must have many college coaches thinking really hard about their decision.  What doesn't get headlines are all the deserving, humble college recruits that take it in stride and see it for what it really is.

As always, JMO

fenwaysouth posted:

The national signing day is about celebrating accomplishments for recruited athletes that have worked hard to get a college athletic opportunity.  What they do with this signing opportunity is really up to them, their values and a reflection of how they were brought up.  

The "look at me" signing day shenanigans comes and goes every year.  It must have many college coaches thinking really hard about their decision.  What doesn't get headlines are all the deserving, humble college recruits that take it in stride and see it for what it really is.

As always, JMO

To your point:

A local high school senior had given a verbal to a local (Tidewater area) low-level D1 program.  He had a significant scholarship offer.  Come signing day (yesterday), this player pulled the 'ol hat trick, and changed his mind in the middle of the signing ceremony.  He has now decided to be a preferred WALK ON at a quality mid-major D1 program.

At what point did this player accomplish so much, that he must do the hat switch-a-roo to be a walk on?!?!??  He's essentially a 1.5 or 2-star player.   So, I guess I see some of the angst that some folks may have.

Come on, the jewelry stores in town need signing day!  Everyone has to have a new gold chain and earrings for the media and pictures!  Ha, that's a joke.  Don't get on the war path after me.

College football coaches of the best programs make a very nice salary. Quite equal to the salaries of NFL coaches of successful franchises. The college system is long over due for a change. However, kids work their butts off to get national recognition in their sport and when their day comes to be celebrated for it deserve the spot light. Basketball and baseball players too. 

We had a very nice signing day ceremony at my sons school for the 6 or 7 boys going to play in college. They do the same for the other sports too. One of my sons goals is to walk on the stage and be recognized and even envied for achieving his goal of playing in college.  The kids in school are talking about the kids who just committed all week and they feel special. They should feel that way. It is hard to be chosen to play in a good college. Most kids work on their skills and weight train and practice while "regular" students are enjoying their social lives and video games.

When my son's turn comes to be celebrated for that accomplishment I will be in the front row,  crying like a baby, because I know how much sweat and hard work he puts into keeping good grades and working on his dream. The late nights studying or doing homework because he had a tournament or game right after school. Weight lifting and eating afterward while cramming for an exam while most of the house is asleep. Getting up  at 5 am for a 6 am game , practice or workout, weekdays and weekends.  

None of this is unusual if you have a kid with aspirations of playing in college and are on this website. You spend your time helping him stay on track, easing his burden where possible,  and trying to make his sacrifice be a little easier any way you can. THAT is why when I see the kids on ESPN I look for the parents too. I know how hard it is on BOTH the kids and the parents. Let  them celebrate! 

fenwaysouth posted:

The national signing day is about celebrating accomplishments for recruited athletes that have worked hard to get a college athletic opportunity.  What they do with this signing opportunity is really up to them, their values and a reflection of how they were brought up.  

The "look at me" signing day shenanigans comes and goes every year.  It must have many college coaches thinking really hard about their decision.  What doesn't get headlines are all the deserving, humble college recruits that take it in stride and see it for what it really is.

As always, JMO

Our local paper was live tweeting many of the signing day celebrations and keeping a running list of who was committing where and for which sports. As I read through the list, I just kept finding kids missing. They missed football players, baseball players and gymnasts and those are just the ones I know about. I kept thinking, for all of you not getting the same attention, your accomplishments are great too. Those are the humble kids that were probably so ecstatic to just be living their dream that the lack of media attention didn't really matter.

Congrats to all the parents on HSBBW whose kids got one step closer to their dream yesterday!

kandkfunk posted:

fenwaysouth posted:

The national signing day is about celebrating accomplishments for recruited athletes that have worked hard to get a college athletic opportunity.  What they do with this signing opportunity is really up to them, their values and a reflection of how they were brought up.  

The "look at me" signing day shenanigans comes and goes every year.  It must have many college coaches thinking really hard about their decision.  What doesn't get headlines are all the deserving, humble college recruits that take it in stride and see it for what it really is.

As always, JMO

Our local paper was live tweeting many of the signing day celebrations and keeping a running list of who was committing where and for which sports. As I read through the list, I just kept finding kids missing. They missed football players, baseball players and gymnasts and those are just the ones I know about. I kept thinking, for all of you not getting the same attention, your accomplishments are great too. Those are the humble kids that were probably so ecstatic to just be living their dream that the lack of media attention didn't really matter.

Congrats to all the parents on HSBBW whose kids got one step closer to their dream yesterday!

FYI..signing day for baseball is in November.

TPM posted:

kandkfunk posted:

fenwaysouth posted:

The national signing day is about celebrating accomplishments for recruited athletes that have worked hard to get a college athletic opportunity.  What they do with this signing opportunity is really up to them, their values and a reflection of how they were brought up.  

The "look at me" signing day shenanigans comes and goes every year.  It must have many college coaches thinking really hard about their decision.  What doesn't get headlines are all the deserving, humble college recruits that take it in stride and see it for what it really is.

As always, JMO

Our local paper was live tweeting many of the signing day celebrations and keeping a running list of who was committing where and for which sports. As I read through the list, I just kept finding kids missing. They missed football players, baseball players and gymnasts and those are just the ones I know about. I kept thinking, for all of you not getting the same attention, your accomplishments are great too. Those are the humble kids that were probably so ecstatic to just be living their dream that the lack of media attention didn't really matter.

Congrats to all the parents on HSBBW whose kids got one step closer to their dream yesterday!

FYI..signing day for baseball is in November.

Good to know. They listed several baseball signees, so I just assumed they didn't sign during the early signing period last fall and were now making it official.

That happens in April. They are just committed at this time.

Just read the roundup of signees in the local paper.  Some great stories, great kids, and great schools. Many more soccer players (boys and girls) than football players.  But there was one girl listed for a D3.  Is that a thing now?

JCG posted:

Just read the roundup of signees in the local paper.  Some great stories, great kids, and great schools. Many more soccer players (boys and girls) than football players.  But there was one girl listed for a D3.  Is that a thing now?

I guess it depends on the newspaper, High School AD, size of the school and town etc.  Again, it is about celebrating accomplishments and different people have different ideas about what that means and also what it is. 

A few years ago, I was shocked to learn that most people really don't know the difference between athletic & academic scholarships and financial aid. Those of us who have hung around HSBBWeb long enough know those differences.  I can't tell you how many people told me (over the years) "so and so" got a "full ride to a D3".  Most of us smile and just keep our comments to ourselves.

My youngest son's high school has a signing day for D1/D2 athletes only.  My oldest son's school had a special day for him (including media) because of his academic and athletic achievement.  Even though it was a D1 school there was no NLI to sign because his conference doesn't provide athletic scholarships.  He signed a blank piece of paper for the newspaper and video.  The event was a great gesture by the school and I think my son now realizes it was a pretty special day.  At the time, he wasn't onboard with all the fuss.

So, I think it gets left up to every Principal or AD on how they want to handle it for their local schools district or community.  I gave you two examples in our community with schools that are in the same County, but handle it very differently.

We will celebrate a D3 signing as long as the kid can prove the athletic team wants him.  Although D3 doesn't offer athletic scholarships it's still a pretty big accomplishment to play at that level.  We all know the odds against high school kids getting to any of the next levels so to be able to play someplace is special.  Yes you are paying to play at D3 but still better than 100% of the kids who do not get to play at the next level.

National signing day "causes" entitlement? That's not really a logical thought. Signing day is a procedural requirement for every D1 (and some others) college athlete. Are you saying every kid who has a signing day is "entitled." Little bit much there to be able to agree with you.

Now if you're talking about the fancy, professionally produced, videos some of the football kids tweeted or instagramed this year to make their announcements, I think there's a bit of over-the-top showiness there that made me crinkly my nose a bit. But times change. ESPN has made a major run at being on top of recruiting for two major college sports (football and basketball) and is now fully invested in televising high school games in those sports. Between ESPN's moves to dominate that market element and the freedom of expression possible in social media, I think you're just seeing the logical outcome of the thing progressing through time.

You don't have to like it, but trying to finger this one thing as leading to the entitlement of athletes is a bit reactionary if you ask me.

I thought the trend was to drop football programs because they don't make money.  Do you mean pay the football players at the conferences that make money...do you think the NCAA would choose faves?

Nevermind, I figured it out....TV revenues, etc