With a 1500+ SAT and a GPA of 3.5 and plus baseball ability, which schools should we focus on? Any suggestions.
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Wherever he wants to play AND you can afford.
quote:Originally posted by That's Baseball:
With a 1500+ SAT and a GPA of 3.5 and plus baseball ability, which schools should we focus on? Any suggestions.
Ivy League and the Service Academies.......
scores like that + ability are going to make his options very diverse......
scores like that + ability are going to make his options very diverse......
Let me clarify. That's total SAT, not just verbal and math
Most schools ignore the writing component. So my guess is his M+V is around 1000? You can eliminate the Ivey's and the Stanfords, but depending on his baseball skills, he can probably still get admitted at most schools that really want him. But he's probably not looking at any academic money. I'm sure he could get into UGA and GSU. GT might be a reach, but if he's that good they might make it work.
So it still comes back to where does he want to go to school and what can you afford. And, of course, just how good is he.
Where does he want to go?
So it still comes back to where does he want to go to school and what can you afford. And, of course, just how good is he.
Where does he want to go?
quote:Originally posted by That's Baseball:
Let me clarify. That's total SAT, not just verbal and math
quote:With a 1500+ SAT and a GPA of 3.5 and plus baseball ability, which schools should we focus on? Any suggestions.
The schools that exhibit interest in your son as a ballplayer will define which schools you should focus your attention on. Follow the steps in the recruiting timeline.
Letters of interest from player to college combined with player skill level and exposure through showcase events and travel team tournaments will generate a pool of schools that will reveal their interest in your son. Then research these schools to see if any of them fit your son's academic and athletic needs.
Best of luck.
1500 on three tests is going to eliminate a lot of elite academic opportunities. You just deccribed my son. Unweighted 3.5 and 1620 on three tests. He was looking at Ivies, NESCAC schools and Hopkins. They all lost interest when they saw his SAT scores. Don't be alarmed. He has been accepted to some very good colleges including three Big Ten schools just on academics. He had an injury that precluded being recruited for baseball.
What we found going through this last year was that 2.5gpa and 1000 (2 test) SAT was a cut off for many schools. Some schools actually have a hard cut off at 2.5 but were more flexible with the test scores. If he has the talent then those scores should not be a problem at all but the most selective academic schools.
dbg_fan posted
Adding: Go to the select camps for those schools that have an interest in your son, and your son has an interest in them.
quote:Letters of interest from player to college combined with player skill level and exposure through showcase events and travel team tournaments will generate a pool of schools that will reveal their interest in your son. Then research these schools to see if any of them fit your son's academic and athletic needs.
Adding: Go to the select camps for those schools that have an interest in your son, and your son has an interest in them.
quote:Originally posted by That's Baseball:
With a 1500+ SAT and a GPA of 3.5 and plus baseball ability, which schools should we focus on? Any suggestions.
Based on my recent research, and if you mean 1500 out of 1600, then all but the most exclusive schools will be possible. Assuming he wants to get more than just a BA, then I'd focus on the top academic schools because your son obviously has some brains.
Perfect these days is 2,400 on the SAT (800 each for Verbal, Math and Writing sections). As previously stated, the written portion of the test is still experimental and not taken into account during admissions but still required by most.
Our son was around 1,100 (2 part) and 1,600 (all 3 sections) and had a GPA of 3.3. He signed a D1 NLI during the early signing period in Nov and had no trouble with admissions to the various schools that recruited him (State schools).
Our son was around 1,100 (2 part) and 1,600 (all 3 sections) and had a GPA of 3.3. He signed a D1 NLI during the early signing period in Nov and had no trouble with admissions to the various schools that recruited him (State schools).
quote:Based on my recent research, and if you mean 1500 out of 1600, then all but the most exclusive schools will be possible. Assuming he wants to get more than just a BA, then I'd focus on the top academic schools because your son obviously has some brains.
It's a three part test. It's 1500 out of 2400. That SAT score is about an avarage score. My son scored about a 1460 with a 3.0 GPA w/ mix of AP courses and got into a state university. It seems to be a moot point now since he's on pace to graduate with honors.
I don't know how many others he would've gotten in or rejected because the first application he put out was to his #1 choice and got accepted. I don't count the JUCO he looked at because anyone can get in community college.
I'd say with a 1500 and a 3.6 GPA which is very good, he won't be limited too much other than the elite and prestigious schools and should have the scores to attend very good colleges. Having a HS sports background along with good grades won't hurt either.
At the end of the day, the work they put in college is what's gonnacount
Maybe your school has a "Naviance" site. On these sites, there is a database that shows what has happened to student from your school over the past 5 years or so, broken down by the college to which they applied. It shows the GPA and SAT scores of each applicant as a dot on a graph, and then the dot is colored red or green based on whether the student was accepted or not.
If your school has one, see if you can get the guest password and spend some time looking at the scattergrams.
Here is a link to a page from a large central NJ high school that allows people into their site as a guest. Take a look at it, click on the colleges tab, and then the scattergrams tab, and pick out a college you're interested in and you'll get some idea of who they accept and who not. [the data is for that high school only, so ideally, you want to see the ones for your high school, which is only possible if your high school uses the service and maintains it. But at least you can get a ballpark idea for one large middle atlantic high school.]
http://central.hcrhs.k12.nj.us...ories/storyReader$47
Scroll down to the part of the page that says how to enter as a guest.
Edit: Below is an additional publicly posted list (with 'confidential' written at the bottom) of recent application results for a large west coast high school. Its in pdf form an quite long, and you should save it and not print it. The upper sections lists results by school, and the bottom section lists results by student. The latter is most useful if you can find someone who resembles your child's stats. Obviously there are differences between kids, and these are just the numbers, but IMO they're a lot more useful than people's unsubstantiated beliefs and opinions.
http://www.pvpusd.k12.ca.us/pe...geacceptance2010.pdf
If your school has one, see if you can get the guest password and spend some time looking at the scattergrams.
Here is a link to a page from a large central NJ high school that allows people into their site as a guest. Take a look at it, click on the colleges tab, and then the scattergrams tab, and pick out a college you're interested in and you'll get some idea of who they accept and who not. [the data is for that high school only, so ideally, you want to see the ones for your high school, which is only possible if your high school uses the service and maintains it. But at least you can get a ballpark idea for one large middle atlantic high school.]
http://central.hcrhs.k12.nj.us...ories/storyReader$47
Scroll down to the part of the page that says how to enter as a guest.
Edit: Below is an additional publicly posted list (with 'confidential' written at the bottom) of recent application results for a large west coast high school. Its in pdf form an quite long, and you should save it and not print it. The upper sections lists results by school, and the bottom section lists results by student. The latter is most useful if you can find someone who resembles your child's stats. Obviously there are differences between kids, and these are just the numbers, but IMO they're a lot more useful than people's unsubstantiated beliefs and opinions.
http://www.pvpusd.k12.ca.us/pe...geacceptance2010.pdf
Pedropere great tip. Naviance is very helpful to establish a baseline. It has its limitations but is a good 'reality check.'
OP, (and any of us looking for similar input) keep in mind that without seeing the transcript, it is very hard to make a generalization about what colleges to look at. As we all know, baseball (or any sport) can be a tipping factor for admissions but one that is VERY hard to predict. On the academic evaluation side, know that it is NOT just about the GPA, it is course selection, rigor of classes, trends in college prep grades, etc etc etc. There are many roads to a 3.5!
If your son is a 2012 there is also still time to build on that SAT, so a good prep class prior to his next SAT can be effective, if it is in the family budget. If not, look to some of the on line resources that are free or cheap. (collegeboard's own resources. Number2.com. Kahn Academy http://www.khanacademy.org/sat)
A coach will always like a higher-than-average score so that can be your son's motivator to doing the SAT prep work.
Also I would suggest he take the ACT to see if that one is a better test for him. College will accept either.
Good luck!
OP, (and any of us looking for similar input) keep in mind that without seeing the transcript, it is very hard to make a generalization about what colleges to look at. As we all know, baseball (or any sport) can be a tipping factor for admissions but one that is VERY hard to predict. On the academic evaluation side, know that it is NOT just about the GPA, it is course selection, rigor of classes, trends in college prep grades, etc etc etc. There are many roads to a 3.5!
If your son is a 2012 there is also still time to build on that SAT, so a good prep class prior to his next SAT can be effective, if it is in the family budget. If not, look to some of the on line resources that are free or cheap. (collegeboard's own resources. Number2.com. Kahn Academy http://www.khanacademy.org/sat)
A coach will always like a higher-than-average score so that can be your son's motivator to doing the SAT prep work.
Also I would suggest he take the ACT to see if that one is a better test for him. College will accept either.
Good luck!
Pedropere,
Thanks for the datapoints on Naviance. I was not familiar with this tool. My middle son (2013) is starting to ask questions and mention colleges, so we'll be going through this process again. I'm going to ask his guidance councelor & baseball coach if they have a Naviance site to at least get a baseline as BaseballmomandCEP suggests. College selection and possible recruiting will be somewhat different the second time around. SATs and ACTs will be huge factors as always.
Thanks for the datapoints on Naviance. I was not familiar with this tool. My middle son (2013) is starting to ask questions and mention colleges, so we'll be going through this process again. I'm going to ask his guidance councelor & baseball coach if they have a Naviance site to at least get a baseline as BaseballmomandCEP suggests. College selection and possible recruiting will be somewhat different the second time around. SATs and ACTs will be huge factors as always.
oh, so now I know what the Naviance is... I thought it was some strange Catholic thing because my son's Catholic school has been giving him a really hard time for not establishing an account. "If you don't do this," they said, "there's no guarantee you're getting into college." I hope that means the converse is true!
LHP took the March 11 SAT; scores were released online yesterday. Naturally I forgot the password I used to sign him up. Another tally in the "bad mom" register!
LHP took the March 11 SAT; scores were released online yesterday. Naturally I forgot the password I used to sign him up. Another tally in the "bad mom" register!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LHPMom2012:
oh, so now I know what the Naviance is... I thought it was some strange Catholic thing because my son's Catholic school has been giving him a really hard time for not establishing an account. "
LOL!!
No you are not a bad mom ....we are all good moms!
oh, so now I know what the Naviance is... I thought it was some strange Catholic thing because my son's Catholic school has been giving him a really hard time for not establishing an account. "
LOL!!
No you are not a bad mom ....we are all good moms!
What year is your son? The thought process my son went thru between his soph. year and sr. year was like night and day. A good heart to heart talk about what he wants and expects from college cleared the air on his college search and we were able to target the schools that provided the best FIT and stopped wasting time and money on schools he was not going to attend no matter what.
quote:OP, (and any of us looking for similar input) keep in mind that without seeing the transcript, it is very hard to make a generalization about what colleges to look at. As we all know, baseball (or any sport) can be a tipping factor for admissions but one that is VERY hard to predict. On the academic evaluation side, know that it is NOT just about the GPA, it is course selection, rigor of classes, trends in college prep grades, etc etc etc. There are many roads to a 3.5!
Thanks for the info. You seem to know a lot about the subject. Son has taken gifted classes since 9th grade and now is in all AP courses. And schedule for Sr. year is the same.
That's Baseball,
My two cents. A couple of things....
As Ken suggests, sit down with your son and figure out what he wants his college experience to be. Check in with your son periodically to make sure his goal is the same. This helps ensure you are putting the right resources at the right time into this effort. My oldest son never waivered from his college baseball goal from 9,10,11, or 12th grade. However, how we got to his goal changed slightly.
Pedropere posted a sample guest account for Naviance, which is an unbelievable tool. This weekend I reviewed this with my middle son to give him an idea of what he needs for SATs next year. He is starting to ask many exploratory questions about college. We're going to try to meet with his guidance councelor to review the data for our county.
I would do everything BaseballmomandCEP suggests to prepare for the standardized tests. She suggested SAT classes, Kahn academy. Kahn Academy is unbelievable....leverage the heck out of it. Keep in mind SATs and ACTs are very different. If he doesn't do well on SAT, then try ACT. Your son has a shot at an Ivy or top level academic school if that is what he wants. He needs to get his standardized scores up into the 1800-2200 SAT range to be considered for an Ivy athlete. He may be asked to take additional SAT2 subject tests. He has a very good GPA and class rigor which is an excellent position to be in.
As others (including myself) have pointed out, you need to figure out what level of baseball player your son is. Without this knowledge, you really don't know "where to fish" when it comes to college baseball programs. Baseball may or may not be a "hook" you need to get admittance to a top academic school. Most students applying to top level academic schools have a "hook" that gets them in whether it is baseball, patents, starting a business, etc......
There are many resources out there to determine the best academic fit. Unfortunetly, finding the right baseball fit is incredibly subjective. HSBBWeb can help point you in the right direction. Once you have your academic situation settled and your baseball evaluations completed then I think you can start narrowing down schools from many hundereds to 25-30 depending on your criteria.
If something is not clear, please continue to ask questions. THis is the place to do it. Good luck.
My two cents. A couple of things....
As Ken suggests, sit down with your son and figure out what he wants his college experience to be. Check in with your son periodically to make sure his goal is the same. This helps ensure you are putting the right resources at the right time into this effort. My oldest son never waivered from his college baseball goal from 9,10,11, or 12th grade. However, how we got to his goal changed slightly.
Pedropere posted a sample guest account for Naviance, which is an unbelievable tool. This weekend I reviewed this with my middle son to give him an idea of what he needs for SATs next year. He is starting to ask many exploratory questions about college. We're going to try to meet with his guidance councelor to review the data for our county.
I would do everything BaseballmomandCEP suggests to prepare for the standardized tests. She suggested SAT classes, Kahn academy. Kahn Academy is unbelievable....leverage the heck out of it. Keep in mind SATs and ACTs are very different. If he doesn't do well on SAT, then try ACT. Your son has a shot at an Ivy or top level academic school if that is what he wants. He needs to get his standardized scores up into the 1800-2200 SAT range to be considered for an Ivy athlete. He may be asked to take additional SAT2 subject tests. He has a very good GPA and class rigor which is an excellent position to be in.
As others (including myself) have pointed out, you need to figure out what level of baseball player your son is. Without this knowledge, you really don't know "where to fish" when it comes to college baseball programs. Baseball may or may not be a "hook" you need to get admittance to a top academic school. Most students applying to top level academic schools have a "hook" that gets them in whether it is baseball, patents, starting a business, etc......
There are many resources out there to determine the best academic fit. Unfortunetly, finding the right baseball fit is incredibly subjective. HSBBWeb can help point you in the right direction. Once you have your academic situation settled and your baseball evaluations completed then I think you can start narrowing down schools from many hundereds to 25-30 depending on your criteria.
If something is not clear, please continue to ask questions. THis is the place to do it. Good luck.
Starfleet Academy?