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Bases loaded, no outs. Ball is hit in the left center gap. LF comes across on the run and might make the catch. Ball glances off glove. Runner on third is set to tag and comes home. Runner on second is halfway to third and scores as well. Runner on 1st goest to third. Batter to second.

 

First reaction was to score it a SAC fly and an error. Something about assuming the catch??? But it wasn't caught

 

Second reaction was 2B error sinc the ball hit his glove.

 

Scoreboard posted Hit, but that's not official. So I thought about the effort required by the outfielder to get to the ball. And thought Hit, with a one base error.

 

Team's scorekeeper is very good and keeps it in the dugout. Apparently, hit with one base error was put in the book. But, I'm not sure if that is correct.

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Stafford,

 

Really had to be there in order to be sure about the catch, but assuming it was a legitimate hit, where do you think the error comes in? On a play like this there has to be some kind of misplay for there to be an error. Again, assuming it was a legitimate hit in the gap, it’s certainly not unusual for a runner to go from 1st to 3rd on a ball hit to the OF that wasn’t played cleanly. As far as the batter going to 2nd on a play like that, it isn’t at all unusual either.

 

Just about any good base runner will grab an extra base on a play like that one if the OFrs make any attempt to get either the runner going home or to 3rd. It really sounds like either a single with the B/R going to 2nd on a FC, or a double, but in either case its 2 ERs and 2 RBIs.

Originally Posted by Stats4Gnats:

Originally Posted by FoxDad:

I agree.  Probably had to be there, but given what is posted, I'd score a hit and a throwing error.  Sounds like the LF was on the run which would be more than ordinary effort.

 

Where are you seeing anything about a bad throw?

I originally thought from this:

 

"Second reaction was 2B error since the ball hit his glove."

 

But now that I re-read it?????

Originally Posted by Golfman25:

I originally thought from this:

 

"Second reaction was 2B error since the ball hit his glove."

 

But now that I re-read it?????

 

Interesting how different people interpret the same thing. When I read that I took it as meaning a 2 base error allowing the batter to reach 2nd base.

 

I run into that very often in scoring and generating stats. When it happens in scoring it’s more often than not because of a different view of the same play. Typically I sit as close to directly behind the umpire as I can, but someone sitting right alongside of the dugout or down the RF line someplace won’t see plays the same way.

 

When looking at stats it’s something a bit different. If you and I look at even something as basic as the standard offensive stats someplace like MaxPreps for the same team, more likely than not we’ll look at different things 1st. Not because one of is right and the other wrong, but because we think differently. I automatically look to see which players on the team have the most PAs. I suppose it’s my way of looking for players who are regulars. My son looks at Ks 1st, but he was a pitcher. Most people look at BA 1st, but I suspect that’s because it’s the most familiar stat to them.

 

All that stuff is what makes the game what it is, and that’s something different to everyone.

If there was no error on the catch, I have double with 2 RBI. Just because the ball hit the outfielders glove doesn't automatically make it an error. If his effort was beyond ordinary and the ball was just out of his reach, it's a double. If he should have made the catch with ordinary effort, it's a 2 base error and no RBI. I don't see where you can score it a single and an error based on the OPs post. Either a double or a 2 base error.

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