Tebow

PG - agree 100%

Watching the game - I can assure you I wasnt thinking about Jesus - or Buddha - or whomever.

The thing that stayed on my mind throughout the game was all of the BS about what he couldnt do - and how the Broncos had no chance. And blah blah blah blah blah.

As always - a heavy dose of media BS designed either to inflame or endear.

Meanwhile - on the field - as the leader of the team - Tebow did what he had to do. Never pretty - but quite effective. Steelers looked lost on defense in the 2nd half on more than half the plays.

Bottom line - and as always:

Performance talks and BS walks.

P.S. Giants will drop him like a bag of dirt if they meet up in the playoffs.

If the Broncos win the Super Bowl, I'll start thinking there's something to this Nostradamus 2012, Mayan calender thing.

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Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
If the Broncos win the Super Bowl, I'll start thinking there's something to this Nostradamus 2012, Mayan calender thing.

I would post something ironic, but I am afraid it would get this thread locked....

I have seen some crazy things in sports. I am sure we all have. Several years ago there was a HS team in our area that was very very average. Going into the last game of the year they had to win their last game against the 1st place team in their league. That team had a pitcher who was undefeated and a big time arm. They also had to have the 2nd place team in the league lose to the last place team in the league. This last place team had won 1 game all season. It was so bad many teams threw JV pitchers against them. Well they beat that team.

So after this teams last game of the year the coach takes up the uniforms. He tells his team great season see you next year. That night he gets a call that the unthinkable happened. His team had made the playoffs. What does this team do? They win the state championship. They go undefeated the rest of the way. They catch fire. Guys who had hit .200 the entire year start mashing. Pitchers who were routinely hammered by good teams are suddenly unhittable. How does this type of stuff happen?

I believe in the "Will" to win. The fact that sometimes things we can see just don't add up. That sometimes just believeing in something so hard and having faith that you can do something defies all logic. People can try to explain it. People can try and deny it. But sometimes there is something going on that we simply can not explain. And its pretty special to witness these type of things. Regardless of what anyone thinks. Tebow believes. And that can be contagious. I for one will sit back and enjoy watching this play out.

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Originally posted by PGStaff:
I know the Tebow thread got off course a bit, but I wish it wouldn't have been closed. I suppose it was closed because of the religious discussion.

FWIW, IMO, religion is a very small part of the Tebow story. I think the media is over doing that aspect of the story. The football part is fascinating enough and the many opinions, good or bad, are very interesting. I can't remember another athlete who has ever created more interest in such a short period of time.

I don't even care about what he can or cannot do. He's different, he is special.

That said... If the Broncos win the Super Bowl, the following Sunday you will find me in church!

I closed the topic on Tim Tebow, I did it because after 22 pages of rant and negativity it was time to move on. I know that people want to talk about it, but let's try to keep it positive and I appreciate you starting a new topic that is on a positive note.

I agree with everything you have said, whether one likes him or not, this is a fascinating story. It makes most people feel good, that's important. DK made a bold statement today (he can't stop talking about him) if they win next week it truly will be a miracle.

And if they win the superbowl, I definetly will join you in church!

via Twitter:

Ladygaga Lady Gaga
Giants fan but wow. #Tebow Thats what the **** a champion looks like.

just fyi



(It's a compliment!)

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Originally posted by 55mom:
via Twitter:

Ladygaga Lady Gaga
Giants fan but wow. #Tebow Thats what the **** a champion looks like.

That's like a French general giving his advice on how to beat the Germans.

Lol Matt thats hilarious.

315 yards passing against the #1 defense in the NFL. You guys probably think the short pitcher for the Giants is a fluke too.

Harv, it was 316 yards passing with an average of 31.6

I did not like Tebow in college at all, living in Florida Gators fans were obnoxious about him IMO but seeing his attitude and his actions going pro and not hearing how great he and the gators are all the time has changed my opinion of him. His attitude and work ethic are to be admired. On espn the year of the quarterback they do a 1.5-2 hr about him from his last game at florida until the draft and I got to say it really changed my attitude about him. Taking away everything and just watching him and how he dealt with all the doubt and hate was amazing for anybody but especially someone in early 20's. I actually wtched it a second time with my 11 yr old son and helped used it to talk about what hard work and determenation does.

Not sure how he will end up as a football player and but if my son ends up with some of his qualities and attitude towards life I couldnt be happier. Since I am a Lions fan, when I watch AFC I find my self rooting for him but not a Broncos fan.

Teebow's story and that of the Broncos as a whole is a good one and it was great to see them get a playoff win at home against the Steelers. But alas it will come to end this Saturday night on a cool night in Foxboro. Brady and co will not lose a third straight home game in the playoffs.

Matt, I didn't think what I posted was comical. I saw the tweet on Sports Center, and saw it as something positive. I know very little about Lady Gaga - I give her credit for being an extremely creative yet controversial artist. She has 17 million plus followers on Twitter. Reaching out to that - much wider and diverse - audience is the point. That's a good thing.

It's pointless to close the Tim thread becuase as you see it will just re-emerge as another. Like weeds. Unstoppable.

Team sports is obviously all about finding the formula where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Tebow simply makes everybody else play better. His team obviously believes in him, regardless of arm mechanics.

He is probably one of the physically strongest NFL QB's, which allows him to extend plays, buying time for receivers to get open/down field. He is obviously the best rushing QB in forever. I would not be surprised if the Broncos shock New England.

Whether you like Tebow or not, you might find this to be funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ture=player_embedded

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Originally posted by cball:
It's pointless to close the Tim thread becuase as you see it will just re-emerge as another. Like weeds. Unstoppable.

I didn't close the topic started by CD (who began it not with ill intentions) because I thought no one should not talk about him, if you missed it read what I wrote in the beginning of this topic.

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Originally posted by 55mom:
Matt, I didn't think what I posted was comical.

So? I did. Different strokes, and all that.

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Originally posted by itsinthegame:
PG - agree 100%

Watching the game - I can assure you I wasnt thinking about Jesus - or Buddha - or whomever.

I have to admit, I was thinking about Jesus in the second half but it was more along the lines of "Jesus Christ, he's going to pull this off!" He's a heck of an athlete and is killing himself trying to be a good person. He's not the best QB in the league (yet), but he is a pretty darn good athlete who may turn into one of the best. He sure is fun to watch compete....

Dave
p.s. No disrespect was intended in this post. Please don't read that into it.

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Originally posted by Innocent Bystander:

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Originally posted by Vector:
Whether you like Tebow or not, you might find this to be funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ture=player_embedded

Wait...
Was that one of our own?
Sounds vaguely familiar...

Who actually finds anything associated with Hitler actually funny?

IMO, this is just as bad as beating up on a 24 year old because of his beliefs.

He has accomplished more in his short lifetime than most dream of ever accomplishing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?f...n&NR=1&v=sQFxNDAHh_U

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Originally posted by TPM:
Who actually finds anything associated with Hitler actually funny?

Part of my family died in the Holocaust. That doesn't mean that we can't find humor in it.

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Originally posted by Matt13:

Part of my family died in the Holocaust. That doesn't mean that we can't find humor in it.

Some people just have no sense of humor. It is just better to ignore them rather than allowing them to try and infect you with the same affliction they suffer from.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/downfall-hitler-reacts

From the linked site;

"Due to the film’s international success and Bruno Ganz’ haunting portrayal of the Nazi dictator, numerous segments from the movie soon fell fodder to hilarious parodies on YouTube, spawning hundreds of anachronistically subtitled videos of Hitler getting upset over topical events and trivial gossips."

The one where Brett Farve went to the Vikings is one of the funniest football parodies in the Hitler Reacts series.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_...e-active-pro-athlete

[/QUOTE]Part of my family died in the Holocaust. That doesn't mean that we can't find humor in it.[/QUOTE]

That is an odd statement.

About 10,000 years ago - my Uncle Vito was consumed by a large dinosaur. A T-Rex gobbled him up in one bite.

Now - I really dislike dinosaurs.

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Originally posted by Matt13:

quote:

Originally posted by TPM:
Who actually finds anything associated with Hitler actually funny?

Part of my family died in the Holocaust. That doesn't mean that we can't find humor in it.

Odd for sure. I suppose that came out all wrong, but I got the drift.


I find it ironic (and perhaps even funny) that some who disapproved of RJM's opinion of what he thought of Tebow, find these Hitler rants amusing. I don't and that doesn't mean I have no sense of humor. Just not the place for it and that is my opinion.

Guys,

You may or may not know this but could explain some things about Tim Tebow and his beliefs.

Tim Tebow and his Foundation


RR23

Wow! Tebow is the first religious athlete and the first one with a foundation. Let's have a parade. Here's a tip. There are many professional athletes who are religious and have foundations.

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Originally posted by RJM:
Here's a tip. There are many professional athletes who are religious and have foundations.

Thanks for the tip. Didn't know that...
That was not the point of my post...

RJM,

I try and stay out of these discussions. IMHO, Ryanrod23 is simply stating that Tim Tebow Walks the Walk and Talks the Talk...nothing more than that? You're absolutely right, there are many athletes that are religious and support important foundations etc...but they are not scrutinized as Tebow has been throughout the last few years.

RR23...thanks for sharing that article, while I knew that Tebow's parents were Baptist missionaries, I didn't know that he was born in the Phillipines. Not to mention, it's nice to read that his coach and teammates appreciate his passion on and off the field.

Thanks for the support bsbl247! Was just pointing out that Tim Tebow being born and exposed to a predominantly devout Catholic country growing up might explain his passion. That's all.

It's also good to know that he gives back and help his country of birth savaged by numerous calamities lately.

Ryanrod- I, too, thank you for sharing the link. It's very informational and great to see a professional athlete doing the right thing around the world.

An endless Tebow thread is shut down because it was off track more than on track. Now in this Tebow 2 thread someone brings up Hitler, which opens an entirely different and much larger can of worms. Can we end this nonsense and talk about baseball, or even football without the word tebow in it.

If you don't want to shut this one down at least move it to Unusually Unusual so it slowly fades away.

Godwin's Law!!

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Can we end this nonsense and talk about baseball, or even football without the word tebow in it.

Sure..I'll go first...

Did Tebow play baseball too?

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Originally posted by cball:

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Can we end this nonsense and talk about baseball, or even football without the word tebow in it.

Sure..I'll go first...

Did Tebow play baseball too?

Benched by his LL coach due to unconventional throwing motion.

My boy finished the Tebow book last week and of course loved it. He is reading the Pujols book now. As an old-fashioned parent, I thought I'd have him read these before "Ball Four".

That brings up a question. Would you rather your child have Tebow's temperment or Harpers?

Why do hot dogs come in packages of seven and hot dog rolls come in packages of eight?

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Originally posted by RJM:
Why do hot dogs come in packages of seven and hot dog rolls come in packages of eight?

Because that is the way Tim Tebow designed the packages.

Everyone that has played with Tebow says he is a fierce competitor. A warrior. A guy driven to win like no one else they know. He may be a nice guy off the field. He may say all the right things off the field in public. He may do a lot for orphans overseas. But when he steps on the field he leaves it all on the field. If anyone thinks for one second UF would have had that success they had while he was there with another QB they are crazy. His intangibles are what he is about. He skill set was very good for the college game. Needs a lot of work for the pro game imo. But the intangibles he brings to the table are off the charts imo. Quite simply the guy is a winner.

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Quite simply the guy is a winner.

And it rubs off on his teammates at every level he's ever played. That's leadership.

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Originally posted by Innocent Bystander:
Here's an idea,
How about anyone that doesn't like Tebow or doesn't want to talk about him just stay off the Tebow thread!
Seems simple enough to me...

Such a simple common sense idea, yet it is lost on far too many people who haven't a clue.

Tebow also played basketball and baseball in high school. He obviously was well above average at those sports as well.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/...at-Nease-High-School

Nice stroke Dad04!

Innocent bystander, here is a baseball twist..he is also in the PG database! You're right about OF and power part. Wonder what was his scouting report?

Tim Tebow PG Profile

I heard Tebow has his own wine label. He doesn't even have a vineyard. He just turns water into wine.

A pro athlete who was good at a second sport in high school! That's never happened before!

RJ...the question was asked. I answered. It is certainly not unusual. I'd be shocked if he couldn't jog 30 feet and dribble a basketball.

http://www.dbtechno.com/entert...s-the-tebowie-video/

Great article by Rick Reilly on Tebow as a person.

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/.../believing-tim-tebow

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Originally posted by RJM:
I heard Tebow has his own wine label. He doesn't even have a vineyard. He just turns water into wine.

A pro athlete who was good at a second sport in high school! That's never happened before!

One thing about Tebow, he sure brings out people's true feelings more then anyone I can think of.

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I have to admit, I was thinking about Jesus in the second half but it was more along the lines of "Jesus Christ, he's going to pull this off!" He's a heck of an athlete and is killing himself trying to be a good person. He's not the best QB in the league (yet), but he is a pretty darn good athlete who may turn into one of the best. He sure is fun to watch compete...

Now thats funny. I think we have all been thinking that most of the season.

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Originally posted by Skidog:
Great article by Rick Reilly on Tebow as a person.

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/.../believing-tim-tebow

How can you read that without shedding a tear and then not realize how unworthy most of the rest of us are?

I heard something yesterday on sports talk radio, good perspective (my opinion anyway). God doesn't cause things to happen, people do and other people want to be around those that make things happen.

He predicted Tebow will remain QB next year, and that come free agency time, all those misguided players who need to improve upon their lives will have their agents knocking on the Broncos door.

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Originally posted by Skidog:
Great article by Rick Reilly...

Having difficulty deciding if this is an oxymoron or a non-sequitur.

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:

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Originally posted by Skidog:
Great article by Rick Reilly...

Having difficulty deciding if this is an oxymoron or a non-sequitur.

What, are you saying Rick Reilly hasn't justifiably earned his sports writing accolades?

Interesting video......Tebowie?? LOL

Tebowie??

ESPN did a good retrospective in 2005 on the high school years and college recruiting of Tebow.

Don't watch if you don't want to see Tim ministering to orphans, play on a broken tibia or working like a maniac.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLUXfCA98XM

From the Book of Champions: God gave us Tom Brady and it was good. Brady stretched forth his arm, took to the pass and slayed the Broncos. And on the seventh day the Patriots rested.



Now if God would only return the defense they had before key players got old.

RJM - why are you so antagonistic towards the Christian faith?

It seems like every time I look at one of your posts you are mocking the Christian faith. Sometimes subtly and at other times very directly.
You appear to have no respect or tolerance for religions other than your own. You also seem to enjoy the reactions from some of the devout Christians we have on this board.
(I am not one of those people - but I sure as heck cant miss seeing what you are doing)

You certainly have the right to do so - but IMO - it is very unbecoming.

My recommendation to you would be to start a seperate topic and state clearly that you think Christians suck. Get it off your chest and then be done with it?

Who knows - you may even feel better after you do that.

Peace brother.

The scripture is very sacred to me. I am a devout Christian. I love the Lord. My goal each day is to try my best with his help to walk that day as he would have me walk. He is the Love of my life and my rock. I understand others do not believe as I do. I understand that some people simply dont understand or agree with what I believe in.

I think it will best for me to avoid these type of threads because it really bothers me to see the Lords scripture "inspired word of God" mocked.

I post this because I want everyone to know that I "trust in Jesus" I "love the Lord" and I strive to be his "humble servant"
And I will not apologize for it or be ashamed of it - He is my King.

And Gamer you will always be one of my dearest friends. I pray for your boys and your family frequently. Your simply a wonderful honest person. Good day all.

Coach,

I feel exactly the same way about you.

Let me add this - I have been around this great site for a long time.

From Bob H to Julie - from Fungo to CD. PG, TPM, Prepster, Justbaseall, TRHit, bbscout, Krakatoa, Woody and on and on and on.

Despite massive disagreements - despite heated personal arguments - one thing I will say about all of these people and many many more unnamed - is that I have alot of respect for each and every one of them.

They give of themselves without denigrating others.
They share their experiences and perspectives on things.
They make their points - they argue - but they do it in a way that makes it fun - informative - and interesting.

Over time - it is very easy to spot. Just like it is easy to spot religious intolerance.

I am not fond of religious intolerance - many members of my family died on the battlefield to protect our freedom of expression and freedom of religion. I also am not fond of mocking other peoples religions. I don't think it is funny at all and I do think it is very disrespectful.

And I will never just stand by - watch and listen to it - and say or do nothing. Ever.

Again - just my opinion.

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Originally posted by itsinthegame:
RJM - why are you so antagonistic towards the Christian faith?

It seems like every time I look at one of your posts you are mocking the Christian faith. Sometimes subtly and at other times very directly.
You appear to have no respect or tolerance for religions other than your own. You also seem to enjoy the reactions from some of the devout Christians we have on this board.
(I am not one of those people - but I sure as heck cant miss seeing what you are doing)

You certainly have the right to do so - but IMO - it is very unbecoming.

My recommendation to you would be to start a seperate topic and state clearly that you think Christians suck. Get it off your chest and then be done with it?

Who knows - you may even feel better after you do that.

Peace brother.

If you believe I've mocked Christianity and am religiously intolerant you have been very selective in reading my posts. I don't want to do a rerun on my points. It's up to you if you choose to return and reread my posts from the beginning including the previous thread.

My play on words is from the Old Testament. How can you say I'm mocking Christianity?

I hate Christians? My father is a Christian. I married one. My kids are Christians. Obviously from playing three sports in high school and one in college plus a business career I've spent plenty of time around Christians. Besides, one of the word's smallest books is "Jews I Met On the Gridiron." I was the only one on my high school roster.

"humble service"

That's two words to live by, whatever your beliefs, and if everyone did, a lot of problems disappear.

What I find interesting about the whole Tebow controversy is how so many people seem vested in him failing.

Why?

When I look at him I see a young QB who lacks some of the skills that the archetypical elite QB's have, but has found a way to succeed so far by determination, grit, and maximizing the impact of the skills he has.

If he were a baseball player, wouldn't we all love the story?

But just because this young man is unusually demonstrative in his Christianity, all of a sudden people want to see him fail.

I am rooting for him. Not for a reason having anything to do with his religion. I root for him because his is a great story, and I love the fact that he finds ways to win.

In my view, he is a winner. Hard to teach that.

RJM,

Thanks for letting me know what I can and cant do. Believe it or not - I do know what I can and cant do. And I do read every word - so my "selectivity" during the reading comprehension process is not something I would agree with you on.

Like I said - my perception of you is that you are a religiously intolerant person - who enjoys mocking the Christian faith and those who follow and express their beliefs.

My guess is you arent too fond of Buddhism, the Muslim religion or any other religion for that matter - unless it is your religion.

And that is OK too. That is your right - and we live in America - which I think is really a cool place to be.

Again - I just think it is unbecoming and puts you in a very bad light.

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From the Book of Champions: God gave us Tom Brady and it was good. Brady stretched forth his arm, took to the pass and slayed the Broncos. And on the seventh day the Patriots rested.

This is mocking and mean spirited too.

My son asked me the other day if in my lifetime I could recall such a positive person who was simply hated so much by some and I couldn't come up with a comparison to Tebows situation. Very very strange and unlike the example used in another thread, I truly find this situation to be an example of "something wrong in America."

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Originally posted by Rob Kremer:
What I find interesting about the whole Tebow controversy is how so many people seem vested in him failing.

Why?

When I look at him I see a young QB who lacks some of the skills that the archetypical elite QB's have, but has found a way to succeed so far by determination, grit, and maximizing the impact of the skills he has.

If he were a baseball player, wouldn't we all love the story?

But just because this young man is unusually demonstrative in his Christianity, all of a sudden people want to see him fail.

I am rooting for him. Not for a reason having anything to do with his religion. I root for him because his is a great story, and I love the fact that he finds ways to win.

In my view, he is a winner. Hard to teach that.

Rob - the irony of it - actually the stupidity of it - can be illustrated by a recent and simple example.

2 days ago - Charles Barkley - a beacon of morality LOL - cane out and said that Tim Tebow was a "national nightmare".

Now - lets go to the facts.

Charles Barkley - just a sampling - is:

1) A serial DUI guy - you are more likely to get killed by him driving drunk that you are Tim Tebow.
2) A deadbeat gambler. Currently - law enforcement is pursuing him for a 400K gambling debt he ran out on.

Like I said - just a very small sampling form the Barkely chronicles.

But Tebow is a "national nightmare"

Someone should ask Mr Barkeley if the following people are also "national nightmares"

1) Michael Vick - gangster - dog torturer and dog murderer - who really enjoyed it.
2) Sam Hurd - bye bye Sam - its prison time
3) McGwire/Canseco/Bonds/Palmeiro/Clemens and on and on - Liars and cheaters who scammed their bread and butter and got rich doing it.
4) Kobe - and Big Ben - hide your children if they are around
5) Tyson - not much needed to be said here.

Just a very small sampling of the despicable side of humanity we watch on TV and must endure just about every day.

But - according to Charles Barkeley - Tebow is a "National Nightmare".

For the people that cannot see through that - there is simply no hope for them - nor is there any way of convincing them otherwise. You cant fix ignorance.

huge trade will solve it all---ROMO FOR TEBOW

TR,

Romo may be the worst "pressure game" athlete I have ever watched in any sport - ever.

You can actually feel it when you watch him.

Truly a gagger. (but a rich one LOL)

There are many people who are big Tebow fans. There are many people who dislike him. Then there are some that don't really care one way or the other, yet most of them even follow the story.

For some reason there seems to be an amazing amount of passion involved in those who like or dislike Tebow. I think that is what makes the story so big. Without all this love hate, the story wouldn't be anywhere near as interesting. It's become a "fad" to have an opinion about Tim Tebow.

Love him or hate him, he has accompished something much harder to achieve than being an All Pro or winning a Super Bowl. He has become the most talked about athlete in the country. Maybe the most talked about person - period.

PG,

I think it is now much less about Tim Tebow personally (and unfortunately as he is a great role model IMO) - and more about the expression of religion and the mainstream US media's continuing war (now going on about 20 years) on the Christian faith.

I dont think Tim Tebow is that talented of a quarterback - or that he will be a future Hall of Famer. But I do love his committment to the game and his faith, his will and his actions off the field.

The best part of this whole thing - I think - is that alot of people who normally wouldnt be exposed to him now are. A few of them might be inspired to live life like he does.

As opposed to more experiences ala tortured and murdered Vick dogs - or hard core drug dealers like Sam Hurd - or ignorant nonsense form clownlike media prostitutes like Barkley.

Now - just maybe - we get to see what good human beings actually do.

Happy New Year and our best to you and yours.

Sam Hurd is the NFL player arrested for drugs. Sam Fuld is by all accounts an exemplary citizen and outfielder for the Rays. But I do get your point.

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Originally posted by itsinthegame:
the mainstream US media's continuing war (now going on about 20 years) on the Christian faith.

Sure.

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Romo may be the worst "pressure game" athlete I have ever watched in any sport - ever.

You can actually feel it when you watch him.

Truly a gagger. (but a rich one LOL)

Not an informed opinion. Check his stats and they don't support the argument. People then say, "but Romo may have good stats, he just doesn't win". Tebow, he wins just doesn't have good stats. So I guess we judge good QB by neither stats nor by wins. Very confusing.

As for me, Tebow's nothing close to the best QB in the league. Win or lose, my opinion of him won't change. I like the kid because he has heart second to no one, his actions follow his words, and he's a team leader who is loved by his teammates...who he just happens to get the most out of. Every coach would love to have a whole team of guys like that.

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Originally posted by smalltownmom:
Sam Hurd is the NFL player arrested for drugs. Sam Fuld is by all accounts an exemplary citizen and outfielder for the Rays. But I do get your point.

Oops - sorry for that.

Because everyone would rather watch you fall
Just take a fall
Your one of us
Oh the spotlight is on.

Whatever happens in the second half...hold your head high Bronco Fans...

Here is a tribute to Tebow I offer from Mother Teresa/Dr. Kent Keith:

THE FINAL ANALYSIS

People are often unreasonable, irrational, and self-centered. Forgive them anyway.

If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives. Be kind anyway.

If you are successful, you will win some unfaithful friends and some genuine enemies. Succeed anyway.

If you are honest and sincere people may deceive you. Be honest and sincere anyway.

What you spend years creating, others could destroy overnight. Create anyway.

If you find serenity and happiness, some may be jealous. Be happy anyway.

The good you do today, will often be forgotten. Do good anyway.

Give the best you have, and it will never be enough. Give your best anyway.

In the final analysis, it is between you and God. It was never between you and them anyway.

-this version is credited to Mother Teresa

Jimmy Fallon lightens the mood:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHB0o9lCizQ

Looks like Tebow's high school style of play is too much for the NFL. Especially good teams. You can't count Pittsburgh because they were a shell of themselves and anybody would've beaten Pittsburgh last week.

The good thing is he don't QB my team.

He had a great run. What is there, 28 other teams that would gladly trade places with the Broncos right now? I guarantee you Rothesberger from Pitt would.

The kid won. He made the playoffs and won a game. Only a select few quarterbacks are in that club. I expect him to come back stronger next year and then win the Senate seat from FLA in 2018. The kid is a winner.

^^^Agree with you Innocent Bystander.
My take on Tebow is that he did not ask for all of this attention regarding his faith. But the great thing is that he has not backed down once the attention came. It doesn't seem that he let it go to his head. Instead, he continues to be strong even when people make fun of him (SNL, Jimmy Fallon)and the "experts" criticize his play.
Isn't that something that most of us probably try to teach our own kids? I can't tell you the number of times I have told my kids to be strong when others make fun of you, be confident, don't let your success or the attention go to your head, etc. I wish they could be more like Tim Tebow. I have a little time to work on it, but not much!

Even the 31st best defense in football can dominate against a poor passer with only one legitimate threat at WR!

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Even the 31st best defense in football can dominate against a poor passer with only one legitimate threat at WR!

So I guess that makes Pittsburg 32nd?

With Brandon Spikes back and reasonably healthy the Patriots returned to playing the 3-4 defense they abandoned this year to accomodate Albert Haynesworth. The last game against the Broncos the Patriots went 3-4 in the second period and a 16-7 deficit turned into a 41-13 win.

Tebow doesn't impress me as a quarterback. But I was impressed he demanded to stay in the game despite getting the heck beat out of him. In the fourth quarter Quinn was warming up. Tebow has the wind knocked out of him and got his shoulder banged up.

This post game interview is more impressive: since a lot of my charity work revolves around underpriviledged and disabled kids:

Yes, he referenced Zach McLeod, the 20-year-old Cambridge resident who is recovering from a severe brain injury. Tebow, who met with the young man before the game, said, “I’m a little disappointed we weren’t able to win tonight. We played a great team and they played well and you have to give them a lot of credit. Still, it wasn’t a bad day. It still was a good day because before the game I got to spend some time with Zach McLeod and make him smile, and when you get to do that it’s still a positive day and it’s still a good day.

“Sometimes, it’s just hard to see but it depends on what lens you’re looking through. I choose to look through those other lenses and got to make a kid’s day. And any time you do that it’s more important than winning the game. So I am proud of that.”

There's no question of his competitiveness, toughness, leadership skills and all the goodness and it's better than the Vicks of the NFL but unless he becomes a real NFL QB, he won't last. What I am impressed with is he'll do whatever he has to to try and win a game and if he's coachable, he can probably learn to become a legitmate NFL QB. But right now, he's not a good QB.

I think that is what makes him so impressive, even on a bad day at the office he found good in it.

He's not a quitter for sure, and I have never heard a bad word about anyone or anything out of his mouth.

IMO, it wasn't an impressive day for the coaching staff of the Broncos. I think that TT did the best he could with what he was told to do. Keep in mind that they lost a key player before the game.

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I think that is what makes him so impressive, even on a bad day at the office he found good in it.

He's not a quitter for sure, and I have never heard a bad work about anyone or anything out of his mouth.

IMO, it wasn't an impressive day for the coaching staff of the Broncos. I think that TT did the best he could with what he was told to do. Keep in mind that they lost a key player before the game.

Every team is missing players at the end of the season. Most players are playing hurt. It's why getting the bye is so important. Ask the Saints.

The Patriots had 120 transactions this season manipulating their way through injuries. It was the most in the NFL. The Patriots are missing two veteran offensive linemen. They're missing three of their four outside pass rushers. They're missing one of their starting corners. Fortunately they got back two of their hitters last week in Spikes and Chung. Hitting is contagious.

Some Tebowistas have complained he hasn't been allowed to throw enough. He dropped back over thirty times last night. Look what happened. Twelve teams are going to be examining the game video of this one. The twelve teams who play the Broncos next year.

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He had a great run. What is there, 28 other teams that would gladly trade places with the Broncos right now? I guarantee you Rothesberger from Pitt would.

The kid won. He made the playoffs and won a game. Only a select few quarterbacks are in that club. I expect him to come back stronger next year and then win the Senate seat from FLA in 2018. The kid is a winner.

Is he still a winner on the field next year when the Broncos go 6-10? Their schedule is brutal, not the cupcake schedule they had this year. I would be willing to bet he's not the starter by the end of next season.

The more I hear about Tebow, the more impressive he becomes. Whether he takes another snap is almost irrelevant. He has made a difference and will continue to do so.

He's the real deal and has handled things as well as anyone could have been expected to.

Tebow was good for a league that got off to a rocky start last season. He made a lot of people lots of money. He's good for business.

The Broncos have to commit either way as to their game plan.

Who knows what next year will bring, things happen, things change. Whoever thought that Pujols would be wearing a different uni this season.

It's all how some see it, I can see the positive in this story when most people are very negative about athletes. It's about looking through a different lens, I suppose.

I like to be around positive people, it doesn't matter to me what God they worship to.

igball, we agree!!!!!

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igball, we agree!!!!!

yeah!! New year, new hope.

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igball, we agree!!!!!

yeah!! New year, new hope.

Must be Tebow!

Gronkowski is just unbelievable. Tom Brady is one of the best QBs ever. Lots of great players. Belichik is one of the best coaches ever.

I will continue to pull for Tebow because I think he is a great example for many young people.

PG,
I agree. I'd put Brady in the same category as Starr, Elway and Aikman as a post season QB. Montana too

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Gronkowski is just unbelievable. Tom Brady is one of the best QBs ever. Lots of great players. Belichik is one of the best coaches ever.

I will continue to pull for Tebow because I think he is a great example for many young people.

If Brady can get one more Super Bowl win the Montana-Brady debate starts. The stories are similar. Neither were top pro prospects. Different eras make it hard to compare stats. Belichick hasn't developed the successful coaching family tree Walsh created. Gronkowski is the John Mackey of his era (based on season, not career).

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Whether he takes another snap is almost irrelevant.

I'm not sure the ones running the Broncos feel that way given all the loot he's guarenteed. They'll also have to commit to running a high school offense to get whatever they can from Tebow if they consider him the franchise player. All I know, if I were a Broncos fan, I wouldn't be too happy right now knowing Tebow is the direction they're going in. Although I'll bet Elway wants to get a real NFL QB running the offense.

When the Broncos finish 6-10 or 4-12 when they have to play a tougher schedule next year, the Tebow fad will wear off real fast. Losing will do that.

Eli Manning has been a great story this year. Being asked by knucklehead reporter and radio host Michael Kay if he considered himself an elite QB.

Of course Eli answered he was and being a SB MVP, he was justified by saying so and of course the media ran crazy with it. What else is he supposed to say? The media loves baiting because Eli is as laid back but fierce competitor there is.

Turns out Eli more than backed it up ad was able to win a Division title and move on to the next round of the playoffs with a maligned team thru most of the year and is on the verge of possibly getting to another NFC Championship game. That's a story. New England slapping around the Broncos and Brady doing what he does..That's a story.

I think it's safe to say that many would love to see a Patriots/Gianrs rematch in the Super Bowl and couls very well happen. This Tebow stuff is dead now.

I don't care much about football---what impressed me about Tebow is that he made me want to watch his games and get interested in football again.

I've read a number of the links to stories about him and his positive behaviors, especially around sick and/or disabled people.....what REALLY impresses me about him is that he is 24 years old.

The maturity and grace that he has is totally amazing to me. He is 24 years old. 24. Wow.

Talk about someone who has made a difference in the world--he has. I hope he is able to do that for a good long time.

The next thing we'll see is a Satan worshiping QB.

The anti-Tebow?

Sounds like a good movie.

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The next thing we'll see is a Satan worshiping QB.

The anti-Tebow?

Sounds like a good movie.

Satan came and went. It was Kenny Stabler. Stabler lived large. Had he played in NY he would have been more legendary than Namath.