The hypocrisy of the NCAA ... Cheating does pay

Great story.  So true in so many ways.  The amazing part is how nobody seems even bothered by the stuff now--everyone is just numb to the stuff going on at Baylor and UNC goes on like there is nothing that changes their reputation as an academic school even when they have people who "customize educational opportunities."  Just another sign of the times we live in now.

When Congress whiffed on reforming the  NCAA

"As athletes we really don't have any rights."

http://www.politico.com/magazi...march-madness-214918

The problem is getting Congress involved would be like the blind leading the deaf. Talk about two corrupt, powerful organizations!

The NCAA is controlled by college presidents.

College presidents are controlled by big donors, alumni, and fans.

Donors, alumni, and fans don't give a rats behind about anything but winning.  

Athletes don't matter to anybody, except insofar as they contribute to winning.  

The NCAA is just giving the people who count what the want.  

Shut off he money and game will change, nothing else will work. 

I hate the fact that colleges even recruit players that are obvious troubled young men.  They knew Aaron Hernandez was an issue before he even got to college.  If your good enough there is some big name school that doesn't care what your moral fiber is made up of or that your nothing but a thug who can run fast, throw a football or slam dunk a basketball.  When the schools show no moral fiber (hookers hired for prospects, sham classes and covering up of serious crimes), how can they hold their players to any kind of moral code?

Everyone knows that it starts with the parents.  But when you entrust your student athlete to a school, shouldnt they pick up where you as a parent left off?

I'm not a big fan of the NCAA, but imagine what would take place without the NCAA?

PGStaff posted:

I'm not a big fan of the NCAA, but imagine what would take place without the NCAA?

An organization that equally considers the needs of both the programs and the athletes? An organization that doesn't act like a dictator and allows due process?

PGStaff posted:

I'm not a big fan of the NCAA, but imagine what would take place without the NCAA?

maybe the schools would be held accountable instead of protected?

Watched a Netflix documentary about the NCAA and it's founding(can't recall the name)--the picture painted is not too far removed from an organized crime documentary in all honesty...  I can't recall all the former college players involved, but there is a class action lawsuit still pending I believe, in which NCAA and EA Sports are defendants.  They thought it was acceptable to digitally re-create these players in there NCAA days, include them in their games that sells MILLIONS of copies, and split the profits amongst themselves without any cut to former players?  Beyond the pale in sooooo many ways!

MTH posted:

The NCAA is controlled by college presidents.

College presidents are controlled by big donors, alumni, and fans.

MTH.  Agree, and don't forget about media.  ESPN and others are a major contributing revenue factor to college presidents following the money.

DALEX posted:

Watched a Netflix documentary about the NCAA and it's founding(can't recall the name)--the picture painted is not too far removed from an organized crime documentary in all honesty...   

Dalex, Thanks for the suggestions.  I'll look into that Netlix crime documentary about the NCAA.    I suspect it is narrated by Keith Morrison.  He has that great investigative voice for that kind of stuff.

BTW...If you are a big Keith Morrison fan, his voice is available for download on the Waze GPS App.  It is too freaking funny.

DALEX posted:

Watched a Netflix documentary about the NCAA and it's founding(can't recall the name)--the picture painted is not too far removed from an organized crime documentary in all honesty...  I can't recall all the former college players involved, but there is a class action lawsuit still pending I believe, in which NCAA and EA Sports are defendants.  They thought it was acceptable to digitally re-create these players in there NCAA days, include them in their games that sells MILLIONS of copies, and split the profits amongst themselves without any cut to former players?  Beyond the pale in sooooo many ways!

 

it was the kid from UCLA basketball I believe, Ed O'Bannon maybe?? I think that is it.

Problem is there is no other organization at this time that governs athletics. Who would hold the schools accountable?  Who would penalize them?  The NCAA has given some schools the so called death penalty in the past.

The vast majority of NCAA revenue comes from March Madness which is going on right now.  The NCAA is non profit and actually does give most of the revenue back to the colleges.

Once again, I'm not a big fan of the NCAA.  i don't like some of their rules and don't like the way they rule on certain things.  At times I do question if they really have the student athletes best interests in mind.

I also think that some people overlook all the good that they do and only see certain circumstances.  Like most things there is both good and bad. To me the worst thing about the NCAA is how powerful they have become.  I think that power has created an organization that shows very little interest in truly helping all student athletes.  Too strict, no exceptions to their laws, no matter what the situation is.

Some of the rules that seem unfair, are actually needed.  They just don't pertain in every case.  Many rules are in place because of football and basketball, but other sports have the same rules.  The NCAA needs to be powerful, they don't need to be as powerful as they are. I really wish there were a more humane side to the NCAA.

Rick Allen is a partner of ours.  He is an outstanding person with a ton of expertise.  He is a former compliance officer at two major universities in power DI conferences.  He also contributes here at the HSBBW.  He probably has more experience and knowledge of the NCAA than most all of us put together.  I would be very interested in his views on this subject, if he chose to share them.

Cmon RJM. Don't drag Notre Dame into this!  That's my alma mater. And we test clean!!!

https://www.insidehighered.com...aa-rules-last-decade

That's part of being a college student IMO.  Just like how students don't see a dime from their senior projects that end up making money, and why kids like Zuckerberg and Gates dropped out of college, to keep that money for themselves.  However, the NCAA using a current or former players name for profit is wrong.  Those senior projects/inventions that make money don't have their inventors names on them, so they shouldn't be marketing a player's name either.  

Until there is another option, we are stuck with the system that is in place. Fortunately for baseball players, there is a minor league established to help develop players who insist on playing professionally vs the sham of being an amatuer athlete at a university. For football players they have no minor leagus system. They must stay in college even when they arent really college students in order to continue playing footbal just for the opportunity to play professionally. 

Branson Baseball posted:

Cmon RJM. Don't drag Notre Dame into this!  That's my alma mater. And we test clean!!!

 

 

Lou Holtz walked away from every program he coached on probation except one. Do you think he found God at Notre Dame? I don't. 

A lot of problems could be solved with some honesty and some legal adjustments. The college presidents have to admit D1 football and basketball are businesses. Make the players paid employees of the college. One of the perks of a college employee is free tuition. Now there's the option of an education if the athlete wants to pursue it.

But as long as college presidents of major sports programs want to insist every player is a scholar-athlete nothing will change. The system works great for the power programs. They don't want change.