Two elimination games, with a first round pick on the mound in each game, makes for a lot of drama.
It's too bad the umpires missed the call in the third inning of the OSU - LSU game. Would have been interesting to see how that shook out.
2019Dad posted:Two elimination games, with a first round pick on the mound in each game, makes for a lot of drama.
It's too bad the umpires missed the call in the third inning of the OSU - LSU game. Would have been interesting to see how that shook out.
That's a reviewable play, right?
hshuler posted:2019Dad posted:Two elimination games, with a first round pick on the mound in each game, makes for a lot of drama.
It's too bad the umpires missed the call in the third inning of the OSU - LSU game. Would have been interesting to see how that shook out.
That's a reviewable play, right?
Yes. Crew chief should have called for review, and Coach Casey should have asked for review, too.
2019Dad posted:hshuler posted:2019Dad posted:Two elimination games, with a first round pick on the mound in each game, makes for a lot of drama.
It's too bad the umpires missed the call in the third inning of the OSU - LSU game. Would have been interesting to see how that shook out.
That's a reviewable play, right?
Yes. Crew chief should have called for review, and Coach Casey should have asked for review, too.
He admitted it in post game interview.
I do not understand why Casey did not ask for it??? They were saying Pac 12 doesnt allow it in regular season.
LSU pitching was very good yesterday.
LSU seems to have the momentum as they just hit three run bomb.
Gotta give the LSU kid credit for pounding that spot, as it's working for him. But this PU's zone is ridiculous. I feel like I'm watching one of our HS league games.
WOW! No dog in the fight and usually the last person to turn attention to umpires but the missed ball/strike calls have totally changed the complexion of this game thru the first 2 1/2 innings. Several balls well outside called strikes against OSU and a clear strike called a ball was a big factor in pivotal AB's when LSU hitting, including the kid that hit the 3 run HR.
Please, let these two very good teams decide the outcome with their play. Please let the attention get back to good baseball.
Yeah I hate to blame umpires and not taking anything away from either team but that strike zone is really horrible.
Listened on Sirius. Sounds like O'Sullivan is melting.
Unfortunately, I have an adopted dog in the fight (KJ Harrison went to my kids' HS), and I am trying to be rational, but those strikes that are being called in the batter's box OPPOSITE of the hitter are ridiculous.
The LSU pitcher is throwing a great game. He doesn't need the help.
Go44dad posted:Listened on Sirius. Sounds like O'Sullivan is melting.
That should be OSU Autocorrct
Go44dad posted:Go44dad posted:Listened on Sirius. Sounds like O'Sullivan is melting.
That should be OSU Autocorrct
Thanks, I thought that I missed something.
Doesn't matter how screwy the ump's strike zone is, you can't expect to be in a game with just one hit.
Let's see Bush!
LSU deserved to win....but you can not have this kind of umpiring in the CWS. That was inexcusable.
BOF posted:LSU deserved to win....but you can not have this kind of umpiring in the CWS. That was inexcusable.
Yup. Didn't really care who won - but that was bad...really bad. Disappointing that would happen in such a critical game.
Totally agree. It's tough enough already. Yes LSU deserved to win. But I'm sorry there is no excuse for that.
smokeminside posted:Doesn't matter how screwy the ump's strike zone is, you can't expect to be in a game with just one hit.
A zone that bad can really take a good disciplined offense out of sync. I was a bit surprised, though, that OSU hitters generally didn't appear to make an adjustment and get on the plate more to negate that outside pitch that was being called. The LSU P's weren't really working the inside third.
Hope the next game and the finals are back to good baseball games without that painful distraction. Congrats to LSU... am happy for those connected to that program here!
cabbagedad posted:smokeminside posted:Doesn't matter how screwy the ump's strike zone is, you can't expect to be in a game with just one hit.
A zone that bad can really take a good disciplined offense out of sync. I was a bit surprised, though, that OSU hitters generally didn't appear to make an adjustment and get on the plate more to negate that outside pitch that was being called. The LSU P's weren't really working the inside third.
Hope the next game and the finals are back to good baseball games without that painful distraction. Congrats to LSU... am happy for those connected to that program here!
Both teams had the same zone. From OSU's missed chance at asking for a replay, to Casey and team coming unglued and not adjusting to the strike zone to Casey's choice to not start Rasmussen, a first round draft choice, OSU missed their chance. Sometimes the better team doesn't have the best record. OSU faced very little adversity in the season, but more than they could handle in the last 24.
Now go TCU!
Go44dad posted:cabbagedad posted:smokeminside posted:Doesn't matter how screwy the ump's strike zone is, you can't expect to be in a game with just one hit.
A zone that bad can really take a good disciplined offense out of sync. I was a bit surprised, though, that OSU hitters generally didn't appear to make an adjustment and get on the plate more to negate that outside pitch that was being called. The LSU P's weren't really working the inside third.
Hope the next game and the finals are back to good baseball games without that painful distraction. Congrats to LSU... am happy for those connected to that program here!
Both teams had the same zone. From OSU's missed chance at asking for a replay, to Casey and team coming unglued and not adjusting to the strike zone to Casey's choice to not start Rasmussen, a first round draft choice, OSU missed their chance. Sometimes the better team doesn't have the best record. OSU faced very little adversity in the season, but more than they could handle in the last 24.
Now go TCU!
Never drive or fly your best available pitcher home with innings left in his arm.
Just my $.02.
By the way, every LSU freshman class since 1982 has made it to the CWS at least once. Pretty amazing!
hshuler posted:By the way, every LSU freshman class since 1982 has made it to the CWS at least once. Pretty amazing!
Thats amazing!
FWIW, as of today, LSU has played 70 games and OSU 62.
I may be wrong but I believe they had high school SS's starting at positions 3, 4, 5, 6, 8 & 9.
A scout friend of mine picked them to win it because he said they are the most athletic team in the country.
Hats of to OSU on a fantastic season!
Go44dad posted:cabbagedad posted:smokeminside posted:Doesn't matter how screwy the ump's strike zone is, you can't expect to be in a game with just one hit.
A zone that bad can really take a good disciplined offense out of sync. I was a bit surprised, though, that OSU hitters generally didn't appear to make an adjustment and get on the plate more to negate that outside pitch that was being called. The LSU P's weren't really working the inside third.
Hope the next game and the finals are back to good baseball games without that painful distraction. Congrats to LSU... am happy for those connected to that program here!
Both teams had the same zone. ...
Go44, I think you mentioned earlier that you were listening to the game. You may want to watch the replay of the game. In my opinion and that of all of the announcers, both teams definitely did not have the same zone. Like I said before, no dog, so no bias other than just what I observed. It sounds like many posters here thought that as well.
cabbagedad posted:Go44dad posted:cabbagedad posted:smokeminside posted:Doesn't matter how screwy the ump's strike zone is, you can't expect to be in a game with just one hit.
A zone that bad can really take a good disciplined offense out of sync. I was a bit surprised, though, that OSU hitters generally didn't appear to make an adjustment and get on the plate more to negate that outside pitch that was being called. The LSU P's weren't really working the inside third.
Hope the next game and the finals are back to good baseball games without that painful distraction. Congrats to LSU... am happy for those connected to that program here!
Both teams had the same zone. ...
Go44, I think you mentioned earlier that you were listening to the game. You may want to watch the replay of the game. In my opinion and that of all of the announcers, both teams definitely did not have the same zone. Like I said before, no dog, so no bias other than just what I observed. It sounds like many posters here thought that as well.
Didn't see a pitch. Heard all of the game on the radio. Just can't buy the wide zone cost OSU their "spot" in the finals. Better team with the better coaching won two in a row.
SEC showdown folks!
Should be good! Here's hoping it goes three games.
I thought the zone was consistently bad, but without looking it up I think:
1. OSU had more leftys
2. LSU did a much better job exploiting the zone
For the life of me I can't understand how that foul ball wasn't reviewed. Maybe overconfidence on OSU's part. That could have changed the outcome.
That was a HUGE mistake pitch on the 3 run jack. Open base, runners on 2nd and 3rd with two outs.
real green posted:I thought the zone was consistently bad, but without looking it up I think:
1. OSU had more leftys
2. LSU did a much better job exploiting the zone
For the life of me I can't understand how that foul ball wasn't reviewed. Maybe overconfidence on OSU's part. That could have changed the outcome.
That was a HUGE mistake pitch on the 3 run jack. Open base, runners on 2nd and 3rd with two outs.
All really good points.
real green posted:I thought the zone was consistently bad, but without looking it up I think:
1. OSU had more leftys
2. LSU did a much better job exploiting the zone
For the life of me I can't understand how that foul ball wasn't reviewed. Maybe overconfidence on OSU's part. That could have changed the outcome.
That was a HUGE mistake pitch on the 3 run jack. Open base, runners on 2nd and 3rd with two outs.
I heard from the guys calling the game for Sirius that time ran out on OSU staff in clubhouse on making a decision to review and getting the word to Casey. They saw a review of ball hitting the yellow line, but just didn't get word to him in time. It's easy to second guess, don't really know how things happened but n clubhouse.
TPM posted:SEC showdown folks!
Worst possible outcome ever. Now we have to listen to Ben McDonald and Kyle Peterson ramble on and on about the SEC ad nauseum. One team is ok, but two teams....serenity now!
fenwaysouth posted:TPM posted:SEC showdown folks!
Worst possible outcome ever. Now we have to listen to Ben McDonald and Kyle Peterson ramble on and on about the SEC ad nauseum. One team is ok, but two teams....serenity now!
Yep. Worst possible matchup in my opinion. My interest in watching took a huge hit.
Both teams deserve to be in the final...however my hope is that the NCAA takes a hard look at the umpiring debacle from this year and makes adjustments to the replay and assignments, you can't have an SEC ump behind the dish in one the final games. (I realize hope and NCAA in one sentence is sketchy) On the positive side, we are not hearing about the lack of HR's this year. Should be fun to watch, but it seems a bit like a kissing your sister situation.
BOF posted:you can't have an SEC ump behind the dish in one the final games.
1. Assignments are decided well before the games.
2. This isn't like college football, where officials are generally in one conference. Most work at least three D1 conferences--if you were to say that a CWS official can't have worked in either team's conference, you eliminate a significant number of officials, particularly if the teams are geographically separated.
Matt13 posted:1. Assignments are decided well before the games.
2. This isn't like college football, where officials are generally in one conference. Most work at least three D1 conferences--if you were to say that a CWS official can't have worked in either team's conference, you eliminate a significant number of officials, particularly if the teams are geographically separated.
1) Assignments can be changed. The NCAA is one of the most powerful money-making, lawyer-driven monopolies on earth. They can do whatever they damn well please.
2) There is no negotiated labor agreement with an umpiring union as there is in MLB. See 1) above.
BOF - You are correct. It has been a CWS umpiring debacle. The regionals and super-regionals were much better officiated. When I look back at the MLB a few years ago when we didn't have instant replay, it reminds me of this situation. Instant replay is a tool to help the umpires not be put in this situation. Yes, they do almost always get it right, but in this case they haven't. They need help. NCAA CWS umpiring needs alot of modernizing both in technology and policy. The calls that were reviewable didn't take long at all, and they did a good job of getting that done. Next year I hope it is different.
fenwaysouth posted:Matt13 posted:1. Assignments are decided well before the games.
2. This isn't like college football, where officials are generally in one conference. Most work at least three D1 conferences--if you were to say that a CWS official can't have worked in either team's conference, you eliminate a significant number of officials, particularly if the teams are geographically separated.
1) Assignments can be changed. The NCAA is one of the most powerful money-making, lawyer-driven monopolies on earth. They can do whatever they damn well please.
2) There is no negotiated labor agreement with an umpiring union as there is in MLB. See 1) above.
1) is not true, and 2) is irrelevant.
Can't believe I'm just now finding this site...
FWIW, GEAUX TIGERS!!!
Also, what up SHU and CACO? This is the place to be once your son hits high school for sure as our good ole travel site (NWBA) is dead after the 14U board
What's up, brball?
There is a wealth of information here so enjoy!
Singer versus Reynolds is a complete mismatch on paper....but games aren't played on paper.
With Harry Potter celebrating its 20th Anniversary of publication today it's only appropriate that Draco Malfoy is playing shortstop for Slytherin... I mean LSU.
BTW Singer is looking very legit tonight.