From Ken Spangenburg.
https://twitter.com/kenspang/s...s/780903716916498432
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This is only an after first year stat. What about after second year? A few years ago I read half of D1 players finish their college baseball career someplace other than where it started.
Sobering stuff.
I know my D1 guy will finish somewhere else...D2 or D3 but TBD. 1/4 of the players at his high academic school transfer...which is low compared to the average D1 numbers.
Just saw my D3 son's intrasquad this weekend. Very few Seniors left on the roster. But all who were on the team as Freshman, are still at the school as Senior students. No transfers, just some guys who either got injured or are more focused on academics and career opportunities.
Thanks MAD.
It has been stated many times on this website (many different ways) that it is extremely hard to find the right fit AND get playing time. This is one example, and I don't doubt the numbers. NJ only has eight D1 schools (Fairleigh-Dickenson, Monmouth, NJIT, Princeton, Rider, Rutgers, Seton Hall and St Peters) and I'd categorize all of them as mid-to-low D1 baseball programs in a very populous state. So I'm going to go out on a limb here to suggest the numbers get even more grim when you look at top notch programs elsewhere. Look before you leap.
fenwaysouth posted:NJ only has eight D1 schools...
Given the number of players listed, I'm guessing he used the PG list of NJ residents, not just NJ schools. The D1 schools on that list would still be heavily weighted toward NJ and the rest of the northeast.
I saw a twitter post on NLI signing day from a major D3 coach ,it said something close.
To NLI signers see many of you in 2 years....couldn't help but laugh.
old_school posted:I saw a twitter post on NLI signing day from a major D3 coach ,it said something close.
To NLI signers see many of you in 2 years....couldn't help but laugh.
I saw the same thing. I just pictured one of his fall freshmen sitting in his dorm room reading that and thinking... "Oh, great."
As a D3 coach I know our program depends on the D1 and D2 transfers to be competitive. Right now we are carrying 32 players, 20 of them are transfers, which is pretty common. They find their way to our program for many reasons. Mostly because it was a bad fit from the start. They all seem to have a little baggage that most D1 programs do not have to tolerate. Our program is a NYC school so we know about kids with baggage and learned how to push the right buttons to get them to buy in.
Missed this thread in the beginning, so directly to the OP...
Isn't "about half" of 2013 and 2014 not playing or not playing at the D1 about normal?
Go44dad posted:Missed this thread in the beginning, so directly to the OP...
Isn't "about half" of 2013 and 2014 not playing or not playing at the D1 about normal?
I don't know of any published statistics on this topic, which is part or why I posted the tweet. Spangenburg appears to have researched all of the NJ kids by hand. As you say, I would not be surprised if those percentages were similar nationally.
He did PA and DE as well, found very similar numbers. My opinion is that it is very damning of the system, recruiting and researching from both the schools and the families. People just aren't honest with themselves.
Depending on how you look at it, maybe not terribly different from the general student population.
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Seeing these kind of transfer numbers for D1s is really sobering and makes you wonder why do they even bother with 35 players on the roster? What would be the transfer rate of players who had athletic scholarships versus players who had no athletic money but had academic money? Those kids are the typical "recruited walk on" players who may not see any action at all. But are they happy to just be at the school earning their degree? Many of them may be realistic and know they are not going to see any action.
Wouldn't it be better to say no D1 can have a roster of more than 30 comprised of 27 potential scholarships and 3 walk ons? Or to the one poster who said a coach told him we have 20 players on athletic money because we only play 20, that school probably has a higher retention of scholarship players given more money committed to fewer players. But then what is the churn rate for the 15 walk-ons?
Both academic and athletic scholarship students are under pressure to perform or lose the scholarships.
Athletic scholly players (at least the annual ones) are under tremendous pressure to perform and many schools are either willing to cut a scholarship following a poor season or cut the player.
its a tough, tough athletic world.
The academic scholarship will require a meeting a known benchmark - may be hard during the transition semester, but is doable.
For walk ons, find a school you love (I believe there are many "dream schools"), find a school which runs roster sizes SMALLER then the max allowed, work your butt off (there really isn't much difference between a good walk on and the last scholarship player), get good grades (helps team GPA but I don't think it helps APR), get better and insist your way into the best summer league you can, and I can promise you will get your chance as a sophomore or junior.
An academic scholarshipped walk on can be very desired at these schools. Meanwhile the athletic scholarship player is under the stress of "perform or leave." You know your kid - if not, listen to his harshest critic - who is he? I wouldn't assume your kid is the exception to general rules; I'd assume he was right in the middle of the bell curve.
Go44dad posted:Missed this thread in the beginning, so directly to the OP...
Isn't "about half" of 2013 and 2014 not playing or not playing at the D1 about normal?
About six years ago I read about 50% of D1 baseball players finish playing somewhere other than their first college. Thirty-five (or more) kids are vying for about twenty spots that get adequate playing time. Some players don't develop as projected. Coaches make recruiting mistakes. Players overreach with their first choice.
MidAtlanticDad posted:Depending on how you look at it, maybe not terribly different from the general student population.
True. But the general student population isn't competing to get in the classroom. Players are competing to get on the field.
RJM posted:True. But the general student population is competing to get in the classroom. Players are competing to get on the field.
I guess players are kind of doing both.
I'm wounding if you have any statistics based on the west coast? Also, I'm really asking the question what is the concern as long has the degree is finished or move on to pro ball if that is the goal. I get it if you bounce about and that is the concern. You want to get in where you will either get an opportunity to get better IE playing time and have a stable environment or like said be happy to be a part of a team and earn the degree.
I think the kids also base their worth on the type of college D1 and then move down from there. TPart of his is placed on all that we do now in every avenue of media and also parents who view by numbers as well. We put a rating system on everything (who is really the statistician on this ,how much do they know? take a look next time your kid is supposed to be watched and rated is that expert texting or looking at their twitter) don't get me wrong to some extent those may be semi-accurate. My family has been in this baseball whirlwind for 10 years our son is a HS senior and feel we have chosen the best path for his success either way it goes but it has been very tough on all aspects.
The Kids who I think will fare well are the ones who can handle adversity, turn the check keep working hard and don't let little things get you down. I would say probably the hardest is really finding out in this small circle who is really on your side. Keep that circle small.
