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Originally Posted by Bill Savarese:

That of course is not true. The Strike Zone is exactly the same in all rulebooks and at any level. If your a good and honest umpire,you call the book zone all the time or your cheating the kids and the game.

 

So...  from the 2015 NHFS/FED rule book

 

"The strike zone is that space over home plate, the top of which is halfway between the batter's shoulders and the waistline, and the bottom being the knees, when he assumes his natural batting stance.  The height of the strike zone is determined by the batter's normal batting stance.  If he crouches or leans over to make the shoulder line lower, the umpire determines height by what would be the batter's normal stance."

 

From the MLB 2015 rule book:

 

"The strike zone is that area over home plate the upper limit of which is a horizontal line at the midpoint between the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants, and the lower level is a line at the hollow beneath the kneecap.  The Strike Zone shall be determined from the batter's stance as the batter is prepared to swing at a pitched ball."

 

So firstly I'll point out that they are different... The bottom for FED says knees while OBR is the hollow beneath the kneecap.  *ANY* part of the 9 - 9 1/4 inch circumference of the ball passes *at any time* through that 3 dimensional zone is a strike.  Secondly, in FED it's the the batter's "normal batting stance" while MLB is "stance as the batter is prepared to swing" - two somewhat different concepts as the judgement of normal batting stance is not the same as stance as prepared to swing. That's a very subjective viewpoint.  Thirdly the difference between FED and OBR on the upper half of the zone is "waistline" vs. "top of uniform pants".  Given how some players wear their uniforms these days that's a difference of a few inches sometimes ;-)... Finally, only in recent years has MLB been "urging" their umpires to call the upper half of the zone - that is above the waist. 

 

Given that the *pros* (those making a lot more than me per game) have their own interpretation of the strike zone (and rule), that means your belief (from some an earlier post) is that they should hang up their equipment because they aren't calling it by the book, correct? 

 

50% of umpiring is knowing the rules, applying the rules fairly, and maintaining your integrity. The other 50% of umpiring is game management. 

 

Just because it's 14-0 in the first inning doesn't mean you change things especially when the other team hasn't even batted yet.  However, if it's the 5th, 6th, 7th, 9th (whatever dictates the end in your level and ruleset) of a 25-0 game and you've been there well over 3 hours perhaps even approaching 4 hours - I cannot believe there is anyone who really wants to be there any more. Then you have to do something in order move the game along.

 

There are those that know the rules and understand game management and there are those that know the rules, apply only the rules, and could care less about game management. Being book smart and dictatorial doesn't necessarily make you a better umpire.  And yes there are those that "make up" their own rules, only care about the game fee, and what to get it over with as soon as possible. You run into all types and have to make adjustments for each. So again, back the OP - yep it's perhaps wrong what happened in that game, but it's still in how you respond to the adversity that'll make you a better player, coach, umpire, parent, fan, etc. We're all "different" and all have different perspectives of calling it by the book especially since in 40 years that book has changed quite a lot and I find a lot of long time umpires that won't adjust to the newer rules, guidances, and interpretations. They just go by what they've known.

Originally Posted by Bill Savarese:

That of course is not true. The Strike Zone is exactly the same in all rulebooks and at any level. If your a good and honest umpire,you call the book zone all the time or your cheating the kids and the game.

I agree that the written zone is the same (or close enough) in all the books.

 

But, umpires get "trained" by all the coaches to call it a little different from what is written at some levels.

 

If an umpire were to call a pitch that was 1" off the plate (the side of the ball closest to the plate), s/he'd get a lot more complaints from "all" the coaches then if s/he's call a ball that was 2" off the plate a strike.  So, umpires learn the "proper" zone (for a particular level) as the zone that minimizes the complaining.  On the former, the umpire hears "we gotta have that;" on the latter the umpire hears "Swing the bat."

 

I respect your opinion on what the zone should be at whatever level your son plays; it's just not consistent with my experience as to what the zone should be at the levels I do (HS varsity through D-1 college -- although it's close at the latter).

Originally Posted by BishopLeftiesDad:
Originally Posted by bballman:

Lots of batter's dad talk here.  I'm a pitcher's dad and I love the strike zone that is a little expanded.  Go ahead and give that low outside strike all day long!!!  

 

Seriously, I think as long as the zone is consistent throughout the game and consistent for both sides, I'm ok with it.  What really gets me - and a lot of people upset, pitchers and hitters alike - is when the zone is inconsistent.  When that happens, the pitchers don't know where to pitch and the hitters don't know what to swing at.  

 

I have always told my son, as a pitcher, to learn the strike zone.  If the ump is giving the outside corner, pound it.  If he's not giving it, then pitch where he is giving you.  Every ump is going to be a little different.  Learn what he does early and go with that.  Unless, of course, the ump is inconsistent.  Then you don't know what to do.  Pitchers will always try to get the corners - or off the corners - if they can.  When an ump gives that corner a few times, then you go for the K on that corner, hit it and don't get the call, it's very frustrating.  Same with a hitter.  If that outside pitch has been called a ball, then with a 2 strike count, he takes it and the ump calls it a strike, it is aggravating.  Be consistent...

 

One other thing from a spectators perspective.  I used to be the pitching coach for my son's teams pre high school.  I called the pitches.  Many times, usually with 2 strikes, I would signal for the catcher to set up well off the plate.  He would set up there, the pitcher would hit the spot without the catcher moving his glove and everyone would freak out thinking it was a strike because the pitcher hit his spot exactly.  Even our head coach would get upset.  I would have to tell him that I called that pitch off the plate, it was a ball.  You can't always tell where a pitch is, especially inside or outside from the side.  Maybe sometimes the catcher is set up out of the zone.  Just because a pitcher hits the glove, doesn't make it a strike.  Just some perspective.

Part of the art of pitching is trying to get the ump to expand the strike zone. It does not work with the good to really good umps. But if you find an ump giving you that low outside corner Slowly move your pitch out further. A good defensive catcher can help with this. 

 


I had this problem with a 12U game in a pretty good league with two good teams.  Gave a couple on the edge in the first inning.  In the 2nd the pitcher gets to 1-2 and the catcher moves behind the out side batters box.  I was literally uncovered to the pitcher anywhere behind the plate but I followed to the slot area.  The pitcher winds and smacks a fastball right in the glove.  BALLL!  Get a whole bunch of Ohhh's and Ahh's from the dugout.

 

I whisper in the catcher's ear that if he moves out there again that I will stand behind home plate and not stay behind him and that everything will be a ball.  End of that. 

 

Coach drifts by in between the start of the next inning and asks what I said to the catcher.  I told him that if they wanted anymore strikes and not balks he had to stay in the catchers box.  End of that.

 

Maybe I was on my way to being a decent umpire....

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