There's a difference between naive enthusiasm and delusion.
It's not delusion unless exposure to better competition fails to cure it.
Ahhh, what is delusion. You'll either get this one, or you won't . . .
Delusion?, not in my vocabulary!! My vocabulary is work hard, judo, many state championships, hardest worker, love country and work more, big league in future!!!! Giving milk and meat to build muscle!! 6' 5", 225 and still growing, already throwing 96!!! Not worry education, size matters!!!
Loving the game, more talent in pinky than all your players combined!!! I have the video!!! I train him. Many trophies for proof. National Champions at 8u!!! Can you say that!??
Hitting till hands bleed, then pee on them shower to make tough as nails!! I tell you he's the man!!! Trained to compete!! Cannot wait until we meet and I prove to you!!
Shoveit4Ks posted:I think i've met one or two along the way. Probably not as delusional as over-zealous about their kid's ability. We love our kids. TBH, i think some have been coaches at the younger levels. This behaviour is everywhere, people want to shout from the rooftops about their kids in all sports/activities. Once, many years ago i helped "coach" a team. I think it was 10U. After losing a game to one of the best teams in the area and nationally i recall that while packing up to head home ...my comment about having a bunch of "mama's boys" on the team who were beaten before we stepped on the field. Yeah, that didn't go over well with a few moms....one was delusional.
On the flip side, I really enjoy talking with the families of the kids who really ARE great and admire their humility. I was able to be in the booth in HS with a guy who's kid is the real deal and got PAID and is now in minors in 1st year. I really enjoyed listening to him not talk about his kid and talk about others. Humility is a funny thing. Once you think you've got it, you've lost it
Some of the best advice that I have ever heard - "It's everyone else's job to tell them how good they are...it's your (parent's) job to keep them humble."
Teaching Elder posted:Ask and you shall receive!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dc-KhPS9qM (“6 Year old baseball ‘Phenom’”)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpzhT38oALQ (“8th grade ‘phenom’ playing Varsity/JV Baseball- CRUSHES IT!!” /Hits a single LOL/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hNdwThxuKM (“10yrs old baseball ‘phenom’ blasting a homerun over a 250ft fence”)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ftplx6p2_Y (“10yr Baseball ‘Phenom’ Joseph Smokin Jo Eichelberger”)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aar94BEi0JQ (Big League Prep Presents Mahki MacDonald 11 Yr Old Future Big Leaguer.) / AHEM, What?/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw7UWXLJVds (Note this is a “9 yo select wooden bat tournament.”)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCm4bzfQCbQ Here’s “Little Bryce Harper”)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opi-hMro2lo (Oh, look! Here’s another “Little Bryce Harper.”)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlSOrRJpLW0 (“Little Mike Trout”)
This is literally 2-3 minutes worth of research on youtube. This is just a minuscule sampling of what is out there.
I actually know the kid/dad on one of these videos. LoL
Nuke83 posted:Ahhh, what is delusion. You'll either get this one, or you won't . . .
Delusion?, not in my vocabulary!! My vocabulary is work hard, judo, many state championships, hardest worker, love country and work more, big league in future!!!! Giving milk and meat to build muscle!! 6' 5", 225 and still growing, already throwing 96!!! Not worry education, size matters!!!
Loving the game, more talent in pinky than all your players combined!!! I have the video!!! I train him. Many trophies for proof. National Champions at 8u!!! Can you say that!??
Hitting till hands bleed, then pee on them shower to make tough as nails!! I tell you he's the man!!! Trained to compete!! Cannot wait until we meet and I prove to you!!
This has a familiar ring to it. In reading some of the earlier posts from this particular viewpoint, I was trying to determine whether if follows some literary scheme. It's not Haiku, not a sonnet or a limerick. I'm thinking it follows some Shakespearean form. Or perhaps it is his own poetic rhythm. Maybe it is to be sung to a certain rap song melody.
Another ...
suing the high school coach for 700K because the daughter didn't get a full D1 softball scholarship. It was the coach's fault for lack of further development to the product dad delivered to him freshman year. Dad completely ignored none of the name travel programs had any interest in the girl. When all the coaches in the conference testified on behalf of the coach the evidence determined the girl was a marginal D3 talent, the high school,coach is not responsible,e for making her a D1 prospect and there are very few full rides even in softball.
The coach was found not guilty. The coach did spend over 10k in legal fees. He quit coaching high school softball two years later when he encountered another one of these parents. He became an instructor at a facility and made a lot more money.
i believe about five years ago there was a dad lawyer in Orange County CA who sued a high school coach for lack of advancement of his son and lack of a college scholarship.
Our high school coach bought the facility where he was the head of instruction. He owns it with two other coaches. He said when he's had enough of the parents he will quit coaching and just instruct.
When you have affluence in an area there are often parents who can purchase their kid's success to a point. When the kids hit the age it's not possible the parents can get a bit crazy.
I once pissed off a basketball parent. He got access to the entire youth sports data base. He put out a blast to 2000 people attacking my character with a bunch of lies. Had he not done a quick public apology (as advised) a dad ((lawyer) was going to represent me free of charge to sue him.
hshuler posted:Teaching Elder posted:Ask and you shall receive!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dc-KhPS9qM (“6 Year old baseball ‘Phenom’”)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpzhT38oALQ (“8th grade ‘phenom’ playing Varsity/JV Baseball- CRUSHES IT!!” /Hits a single LOL/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hNdwThxuKM (“10yrs old baseball ‘phenom’ blasting a homerun over a 250ft fence”)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ftplx6p2_Y (“10yr Baseball ‘Phenom’ Joseph Smokin Jo Eichelberger”)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aar94BEi0JQ (Big League Prep Presents Mahki MacDonald 11 Yr Old Future Big Leaguer.) / AHEM, What?/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw7UWXLJVds (Note this is a “9 yo select wooden bat tournament.”)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCm4bzfQCbQ Here’s “Little Bryce Harper”)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opi-hMro2lo (Oh, look! Here’s another “Little Bryce Harper.”)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlSOrRJpLW0 (“Little Mike Trout”)
This is literally 2-3 minutes worth of research on youtube. This is just a minuscule sampling of what is out there.
I actually know the kid/dad on one of these videos. LoL
I wonder if they post on HSBballweb?
Teaching Elder posted:hshuler posted:Teaching Elder posted:Ask and you shall receive!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dc-KhPS9qM (“6 Year old baseball ‘Phenom’”)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpzhT38oALQ (“8th grade ‘phenom’ playing Varsity/JV Baseball- CRUSHES IT!!” /Hits a single LOL/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hNdwThxuKM (“10yrs old baseball ‘phenom’ blasting a homerun over a 250ft fence”)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ftplx6p2_Y (“10yr Baseball ‘Phenom’ Joseph Smokin Jo Eichelberger”)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aar94BEi0JQ (Big League Prep Presents Mahki MacDonald 11 Yr Old Future Big Leaguer.) / AHEM, What?/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw7UWXLJVds (Note this is a “9 yo select wooden bat tournament.”)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCm4bzfQCbQ Here’s “Little Bryce Harper”)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opi-hMro2lo (Oh, look! Here’s another “Little Bryce Harper.”)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlSOrRJpLW0 (“Little Mike Trout”)
This is literally 2-3 minutes worth of research on youtube. This is just a minuscule sampling of what is out there.
I actually know the kid/dad on one of these videos. LoL
I wonder if they post on HSBballweb?
Not sure...
Seen it all over the years like mentioned above and always a good laugh. The team jumpers were always a topic of conversation every spring.
First scrimmage this year on Varsity, between 2 moms, I hear one say big D1 is looking at son and is really interested...etc. I gave the puppy dog half cocked head with the ears raised look. Never seen him play before this year but at 5'6 170lbs with mom being 5'0 tall, you have to be realistic. He rotated between 2nd and 3rd, hit .250 with 2 doubles, very slow runner but good arm.
hshuler posted:TPM posted:2020dad posted:I guess maybe I am lucky or I don't pay enough attention to people! I just don't run into these folks. The most delusional guy I remember was from when I was coaching freshman baseball long ago. Thought his kid was going to be drafted someday. We platooned him at first base. Kid was drafted by the Dodgers! Dad was right. We didn't see it. We were wrong. He went to a small D2 so the colleges didn't see it either in fairness. And to the kids credit he worked and worked to get better each year.
I know you hate this but things have changed coach. Kids are becoming millionares at 17,18. Players are signing for incredible amounts ofmoneyeven before free agency. That tends to make people crazy.
And yes l know of folks who felt this would benefit them just as much as their player. Sad, but true.
TPM - I totally agree with you here. The super-sized contracts have made and will continue to make some folks crazy.
I know a guy who is really hard on his youngest son. He's said on more than one occasion that "this is HIS last shot" because his older boys didn't make it.
I had a friend like this. The older son lost interest in pushing himself in baseball due to dad. He played D3 at a top academic. The kid got a great job out of college. He's thirty now and extremely successful. Whenever I asked him how his kids were doing he only talked about the younger son who played for a ranked SEC team. The younger son was going to be his legacy. Dad suffered a serious arm injury twice ending his prospects.
The dad knocked out the wall between his family room and garage. He built a batting cage and pitching lane. He made his kids practice baseball year round. They were not allowed to play other sports. At high school games he was "that dad." His father was that dad. Growing up he swore he would never be like him. He was worse.
2019Dad posted:I coached a kid in 9U Rec ball Fall ball whose mom told me, in all seriousness, that her son was going to play in the majors one day. He wasn't even the best kid on the fall ball team. Fast forward six years and the kid is ranked in the top 25 in his class in California by PG . . . so, who knows? Maybe she wasn't delusional. Or maybe she was.
To me, what matters is that I'm not delusional. It's OK with me if other people are delusional.
If other parents are delusional it's nothing more than entertainment. If you're coaching it's a PITA, distraction and sometimes time consuming.
RJM posted:hshuler posted:TPM posted:2020dad posted:I guess maybe I am lucky or I don't pay enough attention to people! I just don't run into these folks. The most delusional guy I remember was from when I was coaching freshman baseball long ago. Thought his kid was going to be drafted someday. We platooned him at first base. Kid was drafted by the Dodgers! Dad was right. We didn't see it. We were wrong. He went to a small D2 so the colleges didn't see it either in fairness. And to the kids credit he worked and worked to get better each year.
I know you hate this but things have changed coach. Kids are becoming millionares at 17,18. Players are signing for incredible amounts ofmoneyeven before free agency. That tends to make people crazy.
And yes l know of folks who felt this would benefit them just as much as their player. Sad, but true.
TPM - I totally agree with you here. The super-sized contracts have made and will continue to make some folks crazy.
I know a guy who is really hard on his youngest son. He's said on more than one occasion that "this is HIS last shot" because his older boys didn't make it.
I had a friend like this. The older son lost interest in pushing himself in baseball due to dad. He played D3 at a top academic. The kid got a great job out of college. He's thirty now and extremely successful. Whenever I asked him how his kids were doing he only talked about the younger son who played for a ranked SEC team. The younger son was going to be his legacy. Dad suffered a serious arm injury twice ending his prospects.
The dad knocked out the wall between his family room and garage. He built a batting cage and pitching lane. He made his kids practice baseball year round. They were not allowed to play other sports. At high school games he was "that dad." His father was that dad. Growing up he swore he would never be like him. He was worse.
Pretty sad!
My college roommate used to say that those who never played don't get it. Meaning those parents were sometimes the hardest on their kids because they didn't understand genetics, talent or what it's like to compete, etc. The "I'll just do what I saw Earl Woods do" crowd. It worked for him so I'll just get some DVD's and make my kid a star.
I've noticed that even some ex-professionals can be just as bad, especially the ones who never got to "cash in." We have a couple of these guys in our community and I'll just say that it's interesting to watch. I heard that one just went off (dropping f-bombs) in the stands at a 7 on 7 event because his kid wasn't getting the ball. Oyyyyy!!!
I think I might be delusional. At 40 I'm starting to get back into shape so that I could play in a league next year. I touched 86 a couple months ago (cruising at 80-82). I have a PR coming today to track my progress. If I can hit 90 I'm going to seriously consider making a scouting video to send to every ML team.
hsbaseball101 posted:I think I might be delusional. At 40 I'm starting to get back into shape so that I could play in a league next year. I touched 86 a couple months ago (cruising at 80-82). I have a PR coming today to track my progress. If I can hit 90 I'm going to seriously consider making a scouting video to send to every ML team.
Good stuff. LOL. I think I'm going to get my labrum repaired so that I can do the same. Oh, and so that I can throw the ball to my kid without it sharply veering off the left and landing at his feet 25 feet away.
Teaching Elder posted:hsbaseball101 posted:I think I might be delusional. At 40 I'm starting to get back into shape so that I could play in a league next year. I touched 86 a couple months ago (cruising at 80-82). I have a PR coming today to track my progress. If I can hit 90 I'm going to seriously consider making a scouting video to send to every ML team.
Good stuff. LOL. I think I'm going to get my labrum repaired so that I can do the same. Oh, and so that I can throw the ball to my kid without it sharply veering off the left and landing at his feet 25 feet away.
I, too, considered a comeback since every team needs a soft righty specialist (probably mid-60's right now) in the pen to pitch to one right-handed batter, right?
Here the problem - still have the yips from 6U coach pitch but my sports psychologist says that after eight years of $1000 sessions every two weeks, we should most probably, kind of, sort of, may be approaching a breakthrough over the next several years. He's an awesome doc and ALWAYS reminds me of my appointments.
Delusional, the uncontrollable desire to tell others how good your son is! Humble, saying thanks for praise from other parents and sitting as far away from home plate as you can!
I think it was worth doing this thread just to see all the stereotypes emerge once again. I was not let down.
I should consider a comeback. I still throw as hard as ever. The ball just arrives later now. And butterflies land on the ball in flight.
2020dad posted:I think it was worth doing this thread just to see all the stereotypes emerge once again. I was not let down.
So glad you weren't disappointed!
Nuke83 posted:Ahhh, what is delusion. You'll either get this one, or you won't . . .
Delusion?, not in my vocabulary!! My vocabulary is work hard, judo, many state championships, hardest worker, love country and work more, big league in future!!!! Giving milk and meat to build muscle!! 6' 5", 225 and still growing, already throwing 96!!! Not worry education, size matters!!!
Loving the game, more talent in pinky than all your players combined!!! I have the video!!! I train him. Many trophies for proof. National Champions at 8u!!! Can you say that!??
Hitting till hands bleed, then pee on them shower to make tough as nails!! I tell you he's the man!!! Trained to compete!! Cannot wait until we meet and I prove to you!!
Hahahaha my wife was ticked about the Dr Pepper I just spit all over the couch. I told her to blame you hahahahaha. That was the second craziest poster I've read. The first was the dad of a 10 year old who threw ropes from short to first on the full sized field and wanted to know what city he needed to move his little prodigy to.
Overthehill posted:Delusional, the uncontrollable desire to tell others how good your son is! Humble, saying thanks for praise from other parents and sitting as far away from home plate as you can!
Good first point! But I don't think sitting close to the plate would make someone delusional. To me, there is no better place than behind the plate to really take in and absorb a ballgame - no matter the level or who is playing.
hsbaseball101 posted:I think I might be delusional. At 40 I'm starting to get back into shape so that I could play in a league next year. I touched 86 a couple months ago (cruising at 80-82). I have a PR coming today to track my progress. If I can hit 90 I'm going to seriously consider making a scouting video to send to every ML team.
Hey, I saw The Rookie -- are you coaching a high school team somewhere in west Texas?
Doctor Joe, my reference to sitting far away from home plate dealt with sitting away from the delusional parents. The dads who sit behind home plate with a video camera to video every at bat. Then their son looks at them after every pitch. Coach is trying to give signals but hitter is looking at dad who is giving him the goods, good cut right on it, that's ok wasn't a strike, only takes one, etc. Then after the at bat sits back down to calculate son's new batting average on his phone.
RJM posted:1. The parents who spend a lot of money thinking talent can be purchased.
2. The parents who think their 9u kid is going to play D1 ball because he's on the ground floor of program whose 17/18u players all go D1.
3. The parents who think their kid is being recruited by (pick your program) because he was invited to one of their events after filling out the online recruiting firm.
4. The father of a preteen masher with legendary home runs who nicknames his son Meal Ticket while ignoring hit's hitting his homers to he opposite field swing like a rusty gate. He also ignores he's 5'4 and mom is 5' while the kid is 5'8" at twelve. (Note: the kid was 5'8" in high school when he was cut from the program).
5. The parents who put their twelve and thirteen year old boys through expensive agility training before they hit puberty and grew.
6. The parents who can't see their 10yo stud is now an ordinary twelve year old player.
7. The parents who say their 10yo son will attend whatever private school with good baseball offers the biggest scholarship. Note: The parents paid full cost to send their kid to a very small classisication private high school with a bad baseball program so he could play.
8. The parents who labels four 9u players the Fab Four. Of course his kid was one of them. He was one of the Fab Cut in middle school. He was well schooled in baseball at age nine. Everyone caught him from behind.
9. The parents who pay for private hitting lessons with the varsity coach starting when their kid is nine thinking it will influence his roster decision when the kid gets to high school.
There are the ones i came up with without thinking back too hard.
2020dad, I numbered RJM's "Stereo Types" I have to say, I've seen a lot of them:
1. Pretty sure I covered this before with why I dislike private lessons for under 14u kids
2. There is a WIDELY well known team in GA that recruits from a lot of states for their 17u national team and they do well, that team has an 8u program parents fight to get into "which will secure the kids future because he will grow up within the program".
3. I suspect I will see, but for now I just saw a posting that a 13u kid was "Selected to play in the *insert major event* and represent GA", kid will be missing the first week of school parents will be paying over $600 for this "selection".
4. Kid plays 14u and up to 16/17u events, travels often, Mom swears her brother is tall so she's not worried that the dad tops out at 5'8.
5. I'm guilty of this one, my only defense is it was a winter program and it was better than him laying on the couch.
6. See this daily!
7. Just had this discussion 20 minutes ago, they are going to "try it out for a year to see if it's a good fit".
8. Haven't seen this but the premise sounds likely.
9. I've seen this first hand but it was "fielding" lessons and according to the mom the kid is a lock when he gets to high school because they have been working on the way this coach likes balls to be fielded since the kid was 9!
If we have learned nothing else on this site we should all know that we don't know anything about our kids until it happens. Everyone has a different path, everyone has "a plan"...it may work, it may not, heck my kids really enjoying football at the moment...anything is possible, but nothing that is done at 8, 9 ,or 10u makes a difference at 17u.
2020dad posted:I think it was worth doing this thread just to see all the stereotypes emerge once again. I was not let down.
Interesting, but a sad reflection on the HSBBW in my view, that the poster who is "live and let live" and lets not be "judgmental" appears to have started and continued this thread in order to be judgmental, including about all the "stereotypes." What an irony but not in any way which makes the HSBBW better, in my view.
infielddad posted:2020dad posted:I think it was worth doing this thread just to see all the stereotypes emerge once again. I was not let down.
Interesting, but a sad reflection on the HSBBW in my view, that the poster who is "live and let live" and lets not be "judgmental" appears to have started and continued this thread in order to be judgmental, including about all the "stereotypes." What an irony but not in any way which makes the HSBBW better, in my view.
Not why I started the thread. Actually I am kind of an eternal optimist who really believed there might be a little loosening up on this. But then went it went the same old way I became frustrated and made that snarky post. So looking at my post for what it was you are correct it was not in the interest of building consensus. So I grant you that point. I have generally tried to do my part to make this site better and nicer. But I like anyone else get frustrated at times. I will mull over what you say about the judgemental thing. It's a bit of a paradox though. Are you judgemental if you judge those who are judgemental? What is the alternative? To allow the stereotypes to continue unabated?
2020dad posted:infielddad posted:2020dad posted:I think it was worth doing this thread just to see all the stereotypes emerge once again. I was not let down.
Interesting, but a sad reflection on the HSBBW in my view, that the poster who is "live and let live" and lets not be "judgmental" appears to have started and continued this thread in order to be judgmental, including about all the "stereotypes." What an irony but not in any way which makes the HSBBW better, in my view.
Not why I started the thread. Actually I am kind of an eternal optimist who really believed there might be a little loosening up on this. But then went it went the same old way I became frustrated and made that snarky post. So looking at my post for what it was you are correct it was not in the interest of building consensus. So I grant you that point. I have generally tried to do my part to make this site better and nicer. But I like anyone else get frustrated at times. I will mull over what you say about the judgemental thing. It's a bit of a paradox though. Are you judgemental if you judge those who are judgemental? What is the alternative? To allow the stereotypes to continue unabated?
LOL! Um, yes, no wait no....no wait......ugh I need more coffee!
CaCO3Girl posted:RJM posted:1. The parents who spend a lot of money thinking talent can be purchased.
2. The parents who think their 9u kid is going to play D1 ball because he's on the ground floor of program whose 17/18u players all go D1.
3. The parents who think their kid is being recruited by (pick your program) because he was invited to one of their events after filling out the online recruiting firm.
4. The father of a preteen masher with legendary home runs who nicknames his son Meal Ticket while ignoring hit's hitting his homers to he opposite field swing like a rusty gate. He also ignores he's 5'4 and mom is 5' while the kid is 5'8" at twelve. (Note: the kid was 5'8" in high school when he was cut from the program).
5. The parents who put their twelve and thirteen year old boys through expensive agility training before they hit puberty and grew.
6. The parents who can't see their 10yo stud is now an ordinary twelve year old player.
7. The parents who say their 10yo son will attend whatever private school with good baseball offers the biggest scholarship. Note: The parents paid full cost to send their kid to a very small classisication private high school with a bad baseball program so he could play.
8. The parents who labels four 9u players the Fab Four. Of course his kid was one of them. He was one of the Fab Cut in middle school. He was well schooled in baseball at age nine. Everyone caught him from behind.
9. The parents who pay for private hitting lessons with the varsity coach starting when their kid is nine thinking it will influence his roster decision when the kid gets to high school.
There are the ones i came up with without thinking back too hard.
2020dad, I numbered RJM's "Stereo Types" I have to say, I've seen a lot of them:
1. Pretty sure I covered this before with why I dislike private lessons for under 14u kids
2. There is a WIDELY well known team in GA that recruits from a lot of states for their 17u national team and they do well, that team has an 8u program parents fight to get into "which will secure the kids future because he will grow up within the program".
3. I suspect I will see, but for now I just saw a posting that a 13u kid was "Selected to play in the *insert major event* and represent GA", kid will be missing the first week of school parents will be paying over $600 for this "selection".
4. Kid plays 14u and up to 16/17u events, travels often, Mom swears her brother is tall so she's not worried that the dad tops out at 5'8.
5. I'm guilty of this one, my only defense is it was a winter program and it was better than him laying on the couch.
6. See this daily!
7. Just had this discussion 20 minutes ago, they are going to "try it out for a year to see if it's a good fit".
8. Haven't seen this but the premise sounds likely.
9. I've seen this first hand but it was "fielding" lessons and according to the mom the kid is a lock when he gets to high school because they have been working on the way this coach likes balls to be fielded since the kid was 9!
If we have learned nothing else on this site we should all know that we don't know anything about our kids until it happens. Everyone has a different path, everyone has "a plan"...it may work, it may not, heck my kids really enjoying football at the moment...anything is possible, but nothing that is done at 8, 9 ,or 10u makes a difference at 17u.
Re: Being on the 9u team means my kid will play D1 because all the 17/18u players go D1.
I got to know a dad from the 13u team via this site. I referenced a play. He recognized it as a situation between our sons. He told me only four kids from the 13u team survived tryouts all the way to the 17/18u team.
Just the training for this program was $3,600 per year. It didn't include team costs.
2020dad posted:infielddad posted:2020dad posted:I think it was worth doing this thread just to see all the stereotypes emerge once again. I was not let down.
Interesting, but a sad reflection on the HSBBW in my view, that the poster who is "live and let live" and lets not be "judgmental" appears to have started and continued this thread in order to be judgmental, including about all the "stereotypes." What an irony but not in any way which makes the HSBBW better, in my view.
Not why I started the thread. Actually I am kind of an eternal optimist who really believed there might be a little loosening up on this. But then went it went the same old way I became frustrated and made that snarky post. So looking at my post for what it was you are correct it was not in the interest of building consensus. So I grant you that point. I have generally tried to do my part to make this site better and nicer. But I like anyone else get frustrated at times. I will mull over what you say about the judgemental thing. It's a bit of a paradox though. Are you judgemental if you judge those who are judgemental? What is the alternative? To allow the stereotypes to continue unabated?
"Loosening up" on what? Are you suggesting only your viewpoint is correct and those who have posted about their perspectives are doing nothing more than "stereotyping?"
1. Why would we think the parent is trying to 'buy talent' rather than just improve mechanics? We haven't opted for many lessons but those that do are fine by me. And there is no age too young to learn proper mechanics.
2. Yes travel teams change a lot iver the years and being on the ground floor guarantees nothing. But I find it a totally acceptable viewpoint to enter a program and look at it as a year to year proposition. That's certainty what we do. Just make the team next year remains the goal. If you make it all the way to 17 the odds are awfully good.
3. This one I actually agree with. However the fault somewhat lies with the system. I hated having to crush my players by explaining the facts of recruiting to them.
4. The early developer thing... It happens. I just don't see much of it and I think this one is blown way out of proportion
5. Agility training before puberty... Really? Why would anyone care?
6. Great 10u avg 12u. Again I think is overblown. I have been on the Alsace side of this debate forever. The best at 10 are usually the best at 12 and the best at 12 are usually the best at 17. As always there are exceptions
7. 10 year old selecting hs based on baseball and a hs scholarship?? Never encountered that
8. The Fab Four. Certainly parents have grouped their kids before and may even have. Silly nickname. Why would we care?
9. Lessons with coach. Sadly there is a lot of truth to this. If you stuff money in that coaches pocket long enough he will make sure you make the team so the next desperate family does the same thing.
K9 posted:I was a 3rd generation scholarship athlete so I had to bite my tongue when parents at the 8U level lectured me on the ins and outs of landing a scholarship, feeling justified because their kid was better than mine at that moment. Its only human to indulge in after the fact "I told you so", but not really productive.
There is another type of delusion that bothers me, though. In my local area I have seen a number of cases where a kid chases glory at the best baseball/football/basketball program that he can land at, while ignoring the academic side of things. In the worst case that I can remember a kid turned down the chance to go the Ivy League to go to a lower tier D1 school. When I looked up the school rankings the school he turned down was in the top ten in the country, and the one he went to was in the 570s.
If my kid were offered a chance at HYS, he would have to be the #1 pick to turn it down. I'd knock him unconscious and drag him there if I had to. Unfortunately, I don't think I'm going to have to worry about that.
roothog66 posted:K9 posted:I was a 3rd generation scholarship athlete so I had to bite my tongue when parents at the 8U level lectured me on the ins and outs of landing a scholarship, feeling justified because their kid was better than mine at that moment. Its only human to indulge in after the fact "I told you so", but not really productive.
There is another type of delusion that bothers me, though. In my local area I have seen a number of cases where a kid chases glory at the best baseball/football/basketball program that he can land at, while ignoring the academic side of things. In the worst case that I can remember a kid turned down the chance to go the Ivy League to go to a lower tier D1 school. When I looked up the school rankings the school he turned down was in the top ten in the country, and the one he went to was in the 570s.
If my kid were offered a chance at HYS, he would have to be the #1 pick to turn it down. I'd knock him unconscious and drag him there if I had to. Unfortunately, I don't think I'm going to have to worry about that.
IMO thats not delusional, thats just plain stupid!
TPM posted:roothog66 posted:K9 posted:I was a 3rd generation scholarship athlete so I had to bite my tongue when parents at the 8U level lectured me on the ins and outs of landing a scholarship, feeling justified because their kid was better than mine at that moment. Its only human to indulge in after the fact "I told you so", but not really productive.
There is another type of delusion that bothers me, though. In my local area I have seen a number of cases where a kid chases glory at the best baseball/football/basketball program that he can land at, while ignoring the academic side of things. In the worst case that I can remember a kid turned down the chance to go the Ivy League to go to a lower tier D1 school. When I looked up the school rankings the school he turned down was in the top ten in the country, and the one he went to was in the 570s.
If my kid were offered a chance at HYS, he would have to be the #1 pick to turn it down. I'd knock him unconscious and drag him there if I had to. Unfortunately, I don't think I'm going to have to worry about that.
IMO thats not delusional, thats just plain stupid!
No, but it would be a miracle.
No, I meant turning down an IVY.
infielddad posted:2020dad posted:I think it was worth doing this thread just to see all the stereotypes emerge once again. I was not let down.
Interesting, but a sad reflection on the HSBBW in my view, that the poster who is "live and let live" and lets not be "judgmental" appears to have started and continued this thread in order to be judgmental, including about all the "stereotypes." What an irony but not in any way which makes the HSBBW better, in my view.
Ziiiinnnggg!