NewUmpire posted:Forget the man on 3rd for a moment … in any situation, can a batter/runner be put out when walked before he touches 1st base?
Reading all of rule 8 and putting some things together...
8.1.1 When a batter becomes a runner...
c. an intentional base on balls is awarded or a 4th ball is called by the umpire
8.2
1. an advancing runner must touch 1 2 3 H in order ...
5. If a runner who misses any base ... desires to return to touch the base must do so immediately
Penalty: For failure to touch a base (advancing or returning) ... the runner may be called out if an appeal is made by the defensive team ... on the last play of the game an appeal can be made until the umpire(s) leave the field of play.
So … In this case the batter / runner coud be called out on appeal. The question is ... is that a force play?
8.2.6.k
… With 2 out, if the base missed was the first to which the batter or runner was forced to advance no runs would score. …
Crazy - but now I think if appealed, the batter / runner would be out - run would not score.
Then all hell breaks loose.
I Absolutely agree!!!!