Wow! Thank you for logging on and creating this thread. I talk about your dad all of the time. Back in the day, when all of these "gurus" were arguing the swing, your dad was level-headed and such a valuable contributor to several sites. In fact, your dad used to talk about the concept of tip and rip and I included it in my team and child's hitting. I don't know how many of us old-timers are left from those days. Your dad was special! I will always cherish our friendship. Please take care of yourself and tell your brothers hi. (Cannonball from another site.)