quote:Originally posted by Jimmy03:quote:Originally posted by cccsdad:
I had an ump allow a run to score with two outs becuase the first baseman tagged the batter/runner there for in the eyes of this umpire it wasn't a force, and yes the batter/runner was put out before he reached first base. He hit a dribbler up the line, the first baseman ran in, fielded it and tagged the him for teh 3rd out.
The ump said it wasn't a force since he tagged him and the run crossed the plate before the out. I advised the umpire the force doesn't have to do with how the out is effected, it's because the runner is FORCED to advance.
He let the run stand, we ended up losing the game by one run. Yuck.
The reason the run shouldn't have counted has nothing to do with the play being a force situation. (And by rule, that play at first is not a force situation)
The rule states that the run doesn't count if the third out is made by the batter runner before touching first.
I didn't think I said it was a force, I thought I said
quote:I advised the umpire the force doesn't have to do with how the out is effected, it's because the runner is FORCED to advance.
I wasn't referring to the batter, just a force play in general. Sorry I should have clarified.