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Reply to "Greg Maddux on Dan Patrick"

LUV you’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but most everything you mention is opinion, not really based on facts or data.

Being top 50 sounds like a compliment, but considering there are only 77 pitchers in the HOF you put him in the bottom half.

You make the claim that his large number of wins was due to longevity.  Below are the average wins per season including the pitchers you rank ahead of him:

  • Maddux (23): 15.4
  • Seaver(20): 15.5
  • Gibson(17): 14.8
  • Palmer(19): 14.1
  • Carlton(24): 13.7

Now,  most analytics guys will tell you Wins don’t mean anything, they love WAR.  Seaver is #6 of all time, Maddux is #7.  Total WAR can be positively influenced by numer of years (unless one has a negative WAR season, which surprising each player did).  When you average per year, Seaver has a good advantage over Maddux, Gibson is essentially tied, Palmer and Carlton aren’t close.

Seaver and Carlton had .500 records in the post season, where Gibson and Palmer had exceptional records.  Comparing many other stats from other eras is difficult, mound, dead ball, steroids, etc.  But if you look at each pitchers ERA, they posted similar post season stats as they had in the regular.  Maddux, Carlton and Palmer had higher post season WHIP, where Gibson and Seaver were better.

I know it's cheating, but if you throw away Maddux first post season as a 23 YO, he’d have a career 2.88 ERA.

Finally, as a huge Tom Glavine fan, I agree that he was better.  IMO of course!

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