Thanks coach May. That sums it up nicely. As I said earlier that is exactly what my son has been doing. Putting the ball in play on the ground, with very few hits and a ton of ground outs. How can anybody teach this when it is so anti productive? We worked last night off the tee for a good hour just to try to get him to stop chopping down. We made some progress. Tough to change after thousands of swings the wrong way. When he turns how should this hands be? I'm trying to get him to have them go a little more of a rounded ark to the ball, trying to hit it square. From what Ive read here that seems to be what is most suggested. Any other suggestions,tips or drills will be greatly appreciated. Thanks for the help.