real green posted:I think a big part that we are missing is the fact that we are talking about young men with little responsibility.
Utterly disagree. #1: this is a job, and as such, they have a responsibility to themselves and the organization to continue to improve and deliver value back to the organization. #2: the whole point of this topic is that they're responsible for doing what they can to get by on as little as possible while fulfilling #1.
If a young man is not fulfilling either one of these main responsibilities, then he will wash out rather quickly.