Bob-
Both schools are very good examples of how the CSU system is intended to work. These are good public schools where an average student can get an education.
From a baseball prospective, it shows the true depth of kids playing ball in California. It allows these programs to get their pick of kids that have proven themselves (both academicly and athleticly) at the JC level.
The downside here in California and at these schools it that it is becoming increasingly difficult for kids to graduate in less than 5 and a 1/2 years. We visited Chico and they predicted that by next year it will take the average student 6-years to graduate. Also, because of funding they have almost a complete dorm empty because it is cheaper not to admit students; a biproduct of the California funding crisis.