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My point is that a catcher getting a ball down to 2nd base with flight time of 1.2s is really good and will result in a 1.9ish pop time if the other mechanics are good, and this would be an average velo of low 70s, and a max velo in the high 70s. A lot of people don't understand that throwing from the crouch makes it very difficult to get the kind of velo numbers you see off the mound or across the infield or outfield, and even the most elite studs are hitting max velos of low to mid 80s. I...

If you go to the perfectgame homepage, on the bottom left there is a showcase leaderboard for each class. Max C velocity by Grad year: 2017: 88 2018: 86 2019:82 2020:77 Looking back at history, a couple of hit 90+. Seeing the progression by age, I guess you can assume they will get a little faster in college. So yes, 88-90 happens every year, but at least for PG showcases, you can still have a top 20 C velo with low-mid 80's.

I don't think any catcher can throw 86 on average. you easily would need to be 92 at release which would equal to at least upper 90s from the mound. last year the hardest throw by a catcher was gary sanchez at 88.9 AT RELEASE which probably means an arrive velo of 69 MPH (pitcher loses 10 MPH to home so it should be about twice due to the double distance). that means his throw averaged at best 80 mph. I doubt anyone can make the throw in 1 second flat. this article here from 2012 claimed 83...

Just a thought about PG and their "historical" Numbers. You need to look at sampling size too. 2017 will have a much larger sampling size than 2018...2018 than 2019 and so on. 2020 probably has only a handful of athletes listed and the reason a 2020 is already on their board is cause he is the best around. What my point is, my hypothesis is 2017 numbers are made up of more "averages" then a 2020. This make sense or am I way off!!?? My 2020 threw off a mound and he's 5'8 and 135 (listed him...

Kevin, You are right about the sample sizes, but the velo range of the top 20 or so stays consistent year after year. I was just pointing out that both the above points were correct. Some people can indeed hit 90, but for the most part if you are low to mid 80's, you would still be in the top 20 of PG, which is good enough to get a look from coaches if you are doing everything else right. And keeping a catching thread alive for 3 days is pretty cool as well...

lol- I soak up what ever I can on catchers...LOL... I was checking out some of the guys bio's who done 2017 show cases but are 2020 grads...Its throwing and hitting. Not a single remark that a catcher has or doesn't have polished receiving skills....

@ CabbageDad, CPNM, Batty67, KevinA, et al: I think someone on this thread wrote that any player who wants to play catcher has to be a little "off" in the first place. I agree with that assessment. It's a physically and mentally grueling position to play. It also is a position that tends to be really hard on the body. Anyone who has blocked an 80+ MPH fastball knows that it can hurt like hell. Blocking pitches in the dirt is a skill that successful catchers must master, that's a given.

Yup, nice post JDB. Of course. the problem is "a little off" and "situationally aware" don't always match up.

Ok 2forU, I think that others have already addressed this, so I'll be brief. I also acknowledge that these are averages not initial velocities, so they aren't perfectly equivalent to real world velocities. They do show how required velocities decrease as upstream processes get faster. You said, "A ball traveling 79.4 MPH will travel 116.4533 feet in 1.1 second. Runner is safe unless the ball travels 86.6 MPH." - and "Well, my math skills don't include gravity. That is where I draw the line -...

Any thread where people debate math when the point is to improve an argument lose their way, in general. Yes, a good catcher knows when to block and when to pick. On a beautiful day with defense making outs and pitching rarely putting one in the dirt, it might complete sense for the catcher to try and block virtually everything (since there is not much and that's good form). On a hot and humid day, a long day with extra outs due to errors, and/or lots of balls in the dirt, a good catcher...

"Any thread where people debate math when the point is to improve an argument lose their way, in general." Point taken, and yes I did feel like I lost my way. I will redirect in the future, hopefully. My apologies to you too, CURRYNC.

Yeah, that's probably why I always got B's in math. Thanks for the correction. Velocity is king, I will not change that!

I found this from 2011 on HSBBW: Credit to Catching101 If a player has a release time of .70 and they throw the ball 75mph their pop time would be 1.85. The distance from the back point of home plate to the middle of 2B is 127.28ft (or 90*the square root of 2 for you geometry guys!). When the ball is thrown 75mph it is traveling 110fps (feet per second), which means it would travel the 127.28ft in 1.157s. So...if a player has a release of .7s and is throwing 75mph, the ball will get there in...

Thanks to all for helping prove my point - Velo is king. I think Ironhorse is correct. Max velo at 90 is where you need to be or upper 80's so that your average ball speed combined with release provides decent pop time. By the time the ball slows down at 2b, your velo average is in the 70's (please insert something here on how fast the ball slows down or the faster you throw it the less it slows down - I'm sure there is more to it). Quicker release means you can have a lower max and average.

I haven't been able to find a single HS catcher in PG database that hit 90. Austin Hedges hit 85 with a 1.75 pop, that's the best I've seen. Maybe they are there but I think it is WAY overstating it to say that 90 is where you need to be.