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Re: Osteochondritis Dissecans

JDUBSDAD ·
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Re: Osteochondritis Dissecans

Scott Munroe ·
Call Randy Sullivan at the Florida Baseball Ranch.
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Re: inner elbow pain 13 yr old

Scotty83 ·
Son had it 7th grade off season and freshman year during season. First time shut down for two weeks second for one week. It wasn't as bad the second time but he was more conscious of it and noticed it sooner. Doctor said it could come back anytime until the growth plate closes. He's a junior now and hasn't had a problem since.
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real green ·
A BIG problem I have seen over the years is kids throwing max effort to early after a shutdown period.
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mysonsacatcher ·
Were the shorter shut down periods, as he got older, per the direction of the dr?
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mysonsacatcher ·
Our plan is to shut down all throwing for 8 weeks and if the dr. releases him, then we will start back with a planned throwing program.
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Scotty83 ·
Same instruction both times. Son felt pain when he turned his hand so the instructions were to shut down till no pain. Then light throwing. If pain came back shut down 2 days and try again. If no pain work up to full throwing over a week. At anytime if pain shut back down. Both times after pain went away from being examined he threw without pain and worked up to full speed without incident. The second time was shorter because at the very first twinge of pain in that area my son recognized is...
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Re: inner elbow pain 13 yr old

baseballhs ·
My son dealt with this at 12. We shut him down for a year and then limited him to 25-30 pitches for a year. He was fine for 2 years but last spring his coach had him throwing 80-90 pitches a week every week. Towards the end of tge season, elbow pain again. We shut down for 4 weeks. We now have a doctor's note for no more than 65 pitches a week. He also upped band work and hasn't had any trouble for the last 6-8 months.
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mysonsacatcher ·
"shut him down for a year" that sounds like a long time. Was that the dr.'s recommendation or a conservative plan on your part?
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baseballhs ·
He said if it was his son he wouldn't have him pitch until his growth plates closed, But he is 16 now and they are still open. He advised if we did let him, to be very conservative. It hasn't hurt him, he throws hard and like our doctor said...would you rather throw at 13-14 or in hs and college. Don't get me wrong, my son was devastated at the time.
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Chico Escuela ·
My son (now a HS sophomore, 16 yrs old) had the same elbow issue as a 12 yr old. We were told to shut him down at least 6-8 weeks, then start a throwing program when he could throw ~20 feet w/o pain (which was at 8 weeks, as I recall). He did some pitching that year after the throwing program, then had similar growth plate-related issues in his shoulder. That was near the end of the summer season, and he stopped baseball and didn't play at all that fall. The following spring, when my son was...
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Re: inner elbow pain 13 yr old

Chico Escuela ·
2 other things that might help: My son's physical therapist (who has worked with a lot of pro and college pitchers, as well as young ones) told us that my son might just need to plan on being a closer until he finished growing quickly. That turned out to be good advice. He also told us that growth goes in fits and starts--a kid might grow an inch in a month and then not at all for a couple of months after that. So he actually recommended that I measure my son monthly and if he was in a...
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Re: inner elbow pain 13 yr old

baseballhs ·
This is basically what we did with my son. He was a closer (usually no more than an inning and a half) until last year when the HS coach had him start every week and issues returned. He hadn't trained to throw 80-90 pitches and his body told him.
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Re: inner elbow pain 13 yr old

CaCO3Girl ·
He may very well have fully recovered until it happened again. Make sure he is seeing a sports ortho, they are generally better than a genetic ortho. They have seen this more and therefor have more experience. I saw the most arm issues in 12u-13u. It seemed like a kid a week was unable to pitch. I also saw several go down with growth plate issues because of how they were throwing compounded with how they were growing. Have you had his mechanics evaluated? Also, some kids are just stretchier...
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mysonsacatcher ·
I don't think his throwing mechanics are flawed but I am no throwing expert. Not saying his mechanics can't be improved. In our baseball circle of friends/coaches, we are around a former high school coach, several former high level D1 players and a former minor league player. None of them have said anything to me about his throwing mechanics being flawed so I am assuming no issues there.
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mysonsacatcher ·
"I saw the most arm issues in 12u-13u" are you in the medical field....dr./PT?
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Chico Escuela ·
I definitely agree re: seeing a sports orthopedist. My son and my daughter (soccer player, knee injury) each initially saw a pediatric orthopedic specialist. He is well-regarded; but for both my kids, being subsequently seen by an orthopod who specializes in athletic injuries was far more helpful. Mechanical flaws may not be apparent to someone watching your son throw. A good physical therapist will check the flexibility and strength of various muscles and joints for imbalances. I have no...
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Re: inner elbow pain 13 yr old

BucsFan ·
Not to set off alarm bells, because I know "little league elbow" is not the end of the world. Back in the day, as an RHP, I threw with a sore elbow as a youngster and in HS all the time and then was 100% pain free all through college. But, these are different times. I would get an MRI ASAP. My RHP son (now a sophomore at a D1) had soreness in his inner elbow on and off from about 8th grade on. We rested it, would shut him down as needed and he then felt fine. I know at times he threw through...
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Scott Munroe ·
You may want to call Randy Sullivan at the Florida Baseball Ranch. He is good at eliminating arm pain.
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Chico Escuela ·
This reminds me: As the parent of a young player with arm pain, you will find a LOT of differing advice. There just isn't much of a consensus out there about this stuff (even among MLB clubs and players who have millions of dollars at stake). It can be frustrating. Which is another reason I wish the OP all the best in deciding what to do about your son. (No opinion intended about the comment I'm replying to here. It just made me think about how many sources I consulted about my son, and how...
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Re: inner elbow pain 13 yr old

real green ·
It is much harder to accomplish than it seems. Players NEED a minimum of 4 weeks to build up a base before throwing at 100%. Starting at 45 ft and 50 % day 1 and movi g back to max effort long toss by end of week 4.
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CaCO3Girl ·
Nope, just a mom who was hyper conscious of arm issues. My son was a prime candidate. At 12u he was already 5'7 and throwing 70mph. He's big and throws hard are the kiss of death for arm issues. As to the no one has told you he has issues with his throwing....have you asked? Our society as a whole is apathetic at times. If I saw a near high schooler throwing wonky I would think "that kid throws weird, I assume someone has told him and that's just a weird natural arm slot or...
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Goosegg ·
"[A]fter he released the ball he was doing something weird with his arm." Was it the "backward C?"
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coachld ·
Sharing a couple of paragraphs from article by Mike Reinold: "We are starting to see the results of what these kids did 10 years ago. The excessive pitching from youth and high school baseball is catching up. There is a lifespan on your ligament. Many kids are injuring themselves as kids and may not even know it. Remember that week your elbow was soreness in High School? Yup, that may have been the beginning. In addition to avoiding overuse, which has repetitively been proved to be the #1...
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Re: inner elbow pain 13 yr old

CaCO3Girl ·
The instructor told my kid what he did wrong, worked with him for 30 minutes. Instructor and kid said they understood the problem. I paid the man and the pain went away. That's the extent of my knowledge. :- )
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nycdad ·
No experience, but you may want to try posting in the ASMI forums and they should have info for you. Dr. Fleisig used to respond regularly. Good Luck.
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Re: inner elbow pain 13 yr old

mysonsacatcher ·
You all will not believe this. My son went through with the rehab process like a champ return to play two weekends ago and looked great. Well...this past week at the football spring game he severely dislocated the elbow of his throwing arm. It was a horrible thing to even look at. He had surgery yesterday morning to insert a screw to reattach the medial epicondyle. The ortho says the way his arm (medial epicondyle) broke, probably saved the ligaments/tendons on the inner part of his elbow.
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JCG ·
Oh shoot! Sorry...
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Chico Escuela ·
I am so sorry for your son and for you. I have been there as a parent--it is really hard. All I can suggest is to tell your son it's ok to be upset about the injury and to encourage him through treatment and rehab. My oldest eventually gave up competitive sports after a long string of painful freak accidents and injuries. The "what-ifs" and "if-onlys" can be tough for an injured athlete or their parents.
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mysonsacatcher ·
I am trying to find people who have experienced this type of surgery and what their return was like.
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2022NYC ·
Sorry to read. Godspeed on his recovery
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Smitty28 ·
I think he will be fine. I've known several kids that suffered fractured medial epicondyle (from throwing, not from an impact injury such as yours). In each case (with and without surgical repair) the athletes experienced full recovery and had excellent throwing velocity as they matured. Neither of these kids pitched but I'm not sure that would have mattered. My recollection is that recovery was on the order of 4 months to begin throwing program and 6-8 months before game ready. PT was...
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mysonsacatcher ·
We will do what ever is needed and will stay the course. I am just hoping my son will not lose faith and will work through the pain of therapy. He just needs to know that the outcome can be a positive situation. If he knows that, then I believe that he will be able to motivate himself. This will be a massive test of his patience, desire and toughness. He and I came up with a new saying: "There isn't but one way to eat an elephant.......one bite at a time"
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Re: inner elbow pain 13 yr old

Smitty28 ·
He's still very young in the scheme of things, and even though it's a bad time of year and he'll miss this season, the good news is that it's bone (which heals 100%) and the ortho said good things about his ligaments. When he's 15/16 and playing all this will be ancient history, and the break at 13 may have the effect of re-energizing his hunger.
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coachld ·
Sorry to hear. Just make sure he has a great PT which can be the difference maker with a long recovery.
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mysonsacatcher ·
My son has above average ability. He is very athletic, not only in baseball but also in other sports. As a dad, you think there may be some baseball for him after high school.....maybe junior college.....maybe 4 year. Now you are just hoping he can play the game again at all and if he can't, how do you deal with this? Baseball is his love and to think it could possibly be over is a very tough pill to swallow.
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CaCO3Girl ·
It's not the end of the world. You tell him baseball ends for everyone at some point in time. You get him to try other activities....chess, graphic design, go kart racing....whatever. Lots of stuff to do in life. I live baseball, whether my kid is playing or not, it's just an amazing game. But if it ended tomorrow we would find other things to do. It's not healthy to obsess over one thing, not even a girl, and not even a sport you/he love. If it's over it's over. I will add, that this is...
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baseballhs ·
Try to keep everything in context. He is young. I know it feels like missing 6 months or a year or whatever they recommend will set him back, but it is short in the scheme of things. You also need to make sure you are reinforcing the fact that he is more than an athlete, more than a baseball player. Kids do have to give it up all the time, and they need to realize they are valuable for a multitude of reasons that have zero to do with sports.
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mysonsacatcher ·
Went to DR this morning for follow up and things are looking good got him out of the cast and into a lockable brace (locked at 90 degrees). Will start therapy this week or next. Will go to therapy 2-3 days a week for 4 weeks. Screw looks good and the scar was HUGE.
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CaCO3Girl ·
There are lotions/creams to reduce the scars appearance. Visit your local pharmacy and ask for a recommendation. I have an 8 inch scar at my ankle. but am finally comfortable wearing flip flops and shorts.
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MidAtlanticDad ·
Sorry to hear about your son's injury. If he needs a little extra motivation at some point, and you're so inclined, the promise of a nice tattoo for that scar might help.
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mysonsacatcher ·
we have already looked at options.
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TPM ·
I am sorry that your 13 year old had to have surgery. One question for you. Your son is 13, had issues. Why in the world didn't you just shut it down after baseball? Why didnt you just give it a rest?
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Re: inner elbow pain 13 yr old

mysonsacatcher ·
The injury occurred in the spring football game. It was a freak accident. Not only does he play baseball but he also plays football and soccer. I don't think kids at this age should be playing one sport only. They need to be well rounded athletes.
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TPM ·
Thank you for answering my question.
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Chico Escuela ·
Very glad to hear the news is good. Best of luck to your son in the rehab process--it can be a grind, but is very important. I have spent many hours keeping both my kids company while they did PT. I'd rather they hadn't been injured of course, but in retrospect we had some excellent conversations while they were doing reps or icing afterwards.
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Re: inner elbow pain 13 yr old

mysonsacatcher ·
Does anyone hear know of anyone who has dealt with a dislocated throwing elbow?
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2019&21 Dad ·
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Adams Baseball ·
Dr. McKenzie, if you are still available, i'd like to discuss my son's Avulsion fracture of left ASIS. He's a 14y.o. and any possible rehab suggestions you might have. Thx, Chesley Adams
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Smitty28 ·
180' is a 100% improvement over 90'...
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