It's gotta be tough, im sure you want to impress him and get an offer at some point. Alot really good advice here so far. I can tell you a times, when my son knew guys were watching, he got a little amped up and while his velo was very good, his location wasnt. Fortunately he was seen quite a bit across many many months and that worked out. Be you and focus on your game and your job. Trust your stuff, it's what got you this far. Good luck!
The best advice I could ever give is just be you! If you enjoy the game go enjoy things. Sooner or later, the real you is going to be revealed. For better or worse, you might just as well reveal it right away. Enjoy showing people/scouts what you got! Think about how lucky you are to even be in these situations. It is your time to shine! And if things don't workout the way you want... Guess what, there will be another day. BTW, being nervous is a good thing. Enjoy being nervous! Eat it up,...
PG has it right, just be yourself. I actually believe you would be making a mistake acting the way you perceive somebody would want you to act. If they don't like who you are it isn't a fit...I would guess most of the time both sides are looking at and for the same thing anyway. If you are good enough you will be able to act any damn way you please and someone will over look it, you will be signed but it may limit your choices. All the talk about attitude, bench behavior and the rest is on a...
Velocity is part God-given, part trainable. As for catching velocity, it generally doesn't matter directly. Pop times do. Actual, real pop times that are ELITE for advanced HS kids are in the 1.98 - 2.05 range with HIGH accuracy, not random throws 8 feet above the bag. An accurate 2.15 or better is very, very good for HS kids. Velocity is part of pop time but it's far less important than mechanics, transfer, and catching ability.
I honestly doubt you threw a verified 1.8. The average pop time for elite MLB catchers is in the high 1.8X range. There's no one here to impress, most of us are ex-coaches and parents of once (and still) very good baseball players. The best thing you can do for your career is to be honest with yourself and your current abilities.
Maybe he did hit a 1.8 one time. Nothing surprises me when something is hand timed. There are a ton of kids who have hand-timed 4.4 40's but run 4.6 or higher when electronic timed There was a kid at our local high school who consistently put up excellent pop times and replicated it in games and threw everybody out. But, he was small, 5'8" 130lbs. O.K. HS hitter, looked to hit oppo base hits. As a defensive catcher, he had D1 skills, but did not project as far as size or as a hitter. Lots of...
I'm not trying to impress any one. I was timed by the other teams coat and he told my coach, why would he lie? I haven't gotten it verified, but will be going to a camp sometime in the future to get my numbers verified.
It might be rare but I have seen HS kids POP 1.8's at showcases. I do not know the OP but I would not be quick dismiss what he says. My guess is that he is pretty quick based on the video, but needs to have it verified at showcase type event.
With all the metrics available today, I think a catcher's throw should be evaluated based on velocity and accuracy. Maybe "pop" with an adjustment based on the throw. Was at a showcase one time where the 3 best POPs would probably throw out 25% of would be runners.
Our travel coach told one of our catchers not to showcase yet because college scouts like to see 80+ velo from behind the plate. I am not sure if this is the "new" thing but this literally happened a week ago. He made it seem like a premium is put on velo.
Please don't think I said that in order to discourage you because that what not my intent. Continue working hard and controlling what you can and hopefully things will work out for you. I applaud you for reaching out for help and sincerely wish you the best! Please keep us posted on your progress.
Do not be concern about "pop" time, it creates one handed "lazy" catchers who cannot block the pitchers curve ball. When you "warm" up - practice catching the thrown ball on the heal of your mitt. This allows a quick transfer into the throwing hand. Infielders also should practice. Question: do you use a Easton catchers mitt? Bob
I'm not sure how it creates "lazy" catchers per say. I am more focused on blocking the pictures curve ball then throwing the runner out if I have to choose between the two. and I do not have an Easton mitt, I had All Star
Is there a definition for a "legal" pop time calculation? I know the basics, but are there some rules that prohibit the catcher from starting his move long before the ball ever reaches the mitt? I think I remember seeing some comments here about how catchers "cheat" when it comes to having pop times timed in a showcase type setting (for instance their already standing on the plate when they receive the baseball).
It is helpful for catchers to know their pop times and their velocity. Both are important! Some need more improvement in catch and throw technique, others need more improvement on arm strength. The best catchers are good at both. Pop times will always be better in workouts than games. In games the catcher is receiving live in game pitches with a hitter that is likely to swing. In workouts, the catcher is receiving BP slow fastballs mostly thrown right down the middle and no worry about the...
Topic near and dear to my heart as my son is a 2017 catcher. Looking at D2s and D3s given his size (5'10" 170lbs). Personally, I think hand-measured pop-times can easily help--or hinder--a given throw by as much as 0.2 seconds. So a kid throwing 2.05 consistently can get an artifact 2.2 or a 1.9. It all averages out in theory, but at a busy combine the 2.05 can get a 2.1, 2.1, and 2.2. Or get a 1.95, 2.0, 2.0. You can see which is better. My son has done two, 10-week weighted ball regimens...
Batty, Hope my post didn't bother you. Mid 70s isn't bad at all, upper 70s is good and 80 or better is outstanding. Arm strength can be improved with age and work. 80 or better is far from impossible. If he has quick feet and quick release with some accuracy, he has a chance to play most anywhere. If he can hit, run and receive, he can play at a high level. Remember that many players develop a lot while they are in college. I agree with you about hand held times. We usually have at least...
I agree with PGStaff. My velocity 2 years ago was 75. I am not sure what it is now. I have quick feet, and I am accurate. I also am able to block and receive. Would the other assets besides pop time and arm strength be able to get you to the next level?
Not bothered in the slightest PGSTAFF. I think your posts and comments are a huge boon to HSBW. I 'm just being pragmatic/realistic about my son. I agree with 2forU (but we know each other outside of HSBW and since our kids were in LL), velocity is mostly genetics. Or at least the upper limit and how close a player can "access it easily". The rest is work, or very hard work to be precise. Positionally my son might, in theory, be able to attain close to 80 but he'd have to be working hard and...
Thank you! I will, I am now lifting 3 days a week for the next 6 months and I will be starting personal training sometime soon. I weighed 200 and then I stared to lift and I did a lot of cardio in a week (10 to 20 minutes every day) and I lost 10 pounds. Now I weigh around 191.
The piece of advice would be to be careful with the weightlifting. My son injured his shoulder prior to his junior year of HS and missed the whole season. Biggest issue is that it was his throwing shoulder, we suspect he hurt it during off season HS weight session. He was getting a bit of interest before that mostly due to his Pop times and he could swing it a little.
Wesley, As the father of a customer of Kyle's who totally buys into what Kyle is teaching, I believe you can learn (and work) to throw harder. I also believe uninformed effort can be counter-productive, no matter how diligent or intense. My son didn't get much coaching early because I thought I was raising a wrestler, not a baseball player. If I had to do it over again, I'd have invested in better coaching sooner. Best wishes,
Thank you. I have seen some of Kyle's videos on YouTube of Drivelinebaseball. I have seen them using weighted baseballs which is where I got the idea of. I am currently using a lifting program from a CC that I went and visited. I will also soon be hopefully going to a Sports Performance gym close to my home where they offer personal training, I believe the owner played baseball so he should know what he is doing.
Your son has outstanding academic & athletic credentials. Is there a question in your post somewhere that I missed? What has he done with regards to entertaining offers and selling his skills to the programs he is most interested in? Is he applying to schools currently?
The coach at Stanford said he was going to be recruited by them sophomore year but I guess Coach Marques is retiring. Arizona was interested but they changed coaches too. We went to visit Stanford and Cal. I think he is resolved to pursue his academic career there or at Notre Dame and walk on. He went to camps at Santa Barbara , Creighton and the university of the Pacific. No comments by any of the coaches. He has applied at UCLA STANFORD CAL NOTRE DAME AND SANTA BARBARA .
Welcome to the site, and big congrats to your son for his accomplishments. I'm left with the same sense as Fenway... is there a question or are you just introducing yourself and son to the site? Not a problem, just not the usual intro. We're here to help if needed. You may want to search the site regarding the challenges of walk on at the D1 level for baseball.
His first love is baseball. If someone or somewhere offered him a chance I think he d take it if they had his academic piece. How else can he get noticed at this late time? He is an amazing athlete middle school mile champion he played hockey basketball football but just loves baseball.
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