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Re: Division 3 to Pro

infielddad ·
lion, I am going to come at this in a slightly different way, but it worked for our son who was a D3 position player who was drafted. This is actually the way our son's D3 coach did it and his track record for Summer placements is second to none at the D3 level-last summer he had one player selected as a Northwoods All Star and 2 selected as NECBL All-Stars, (including one pitcher) and another who was one of the very top hitters in the NECBL for most of that Summer. I would suggest you look...
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Dominik85 ·
Contact a guy like Kyle or cressey and get your velo up a little
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BOF ·
You have received great advice, get on a good summer league team, work on your velo, and don't worry about the pro prospects until it is evident you have those skills. 86-88 in today's world is nowhere near where you need to be. Frankly 90 is not that unusual these days, for serious pro interest you will have to sit 90 (minimum) and be touching 94-95, anything less than this you are just kidding yourself. My son has a friend from his program (CWS team) who sat 90 touched 94 and was taken as...
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Re: Agent Advisers and their role

bacdorslider ·
" I don't think they can engage scouts on behalf of their "clients" " hummmmm a tad naive
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Jim T. ·
Thanks for the insight!
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2017LHPscrewball ·
My understanding from listening to folks on here is that they can be helpful but oftentimes are not necessary. Depending on the projected round, they may serve little or no purpose if all they are concerned about is the transaction at hand. Conversely, I heave heard that a solid adviser can be a great benefit even if the decision is made to decline an offer. That said, I have also heard that some scouts themselves can often provide a wealth of information and that their job is not...
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joemktg ·
Jim, They absolutely play a vital role in the process, as they are your eyes and ears into each club while they advocate for your son during his senior year. Feedback is vital, and they are the means to feedback. Why? You will have a strategy, and that strategy will need to be adjusted at every turn based on that feedback. And by the way, they will also advise as to what you should be doing if you're not doing it. Large or small, help or hurt? I strongly recommend that you not consider that...
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Consultant ·
Did your son play in the Area Code games? We averaged $35 million in signing bonus each year. Over 500 agents attended each year. The good agents are easy to ID bob Williams founder 1987-2004
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coachld ·
It is like any other professional service. There are some great advisers/agents and shady ones as well. Make sure you do your homework and you will more then likely find an adviser who can be a great resource. My son (2018 RHP) and our family have had a positive experience so far. FYI...We went with a local guy who works for a smaller firm.
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Trust In Him ·
Advisers play a huge role in educating the player and parents about the process for the draft. There is a whole set of NCAA rules for things they are permitted to do. Important thing is to find the right fit (sounds like choosing a college huh?). Someone who your son can relate with, shares similar beliefs, and can talk to your son. Most have either college or minor league/MLB background thus they relate to the situations your son may be experiencing. My experience is you don't go out...
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Shoveit4Ks ·
Advisors can help protect you in regards to health info requests, candid conversations on projections and interest and guide you through a challenging process. It's a business and not everyone is always looking out for your best interest...if you know what i mean. As with any business there are the good ones and the bad ones.
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TPM ·
I don't believe that every player needs an advisor for the draft and hand over a % of their earned money. Players that will be very early draft picks usually do, there is a lot of money at stake so you do need advice of an experienced professional with experience that have players on a ML roster. People rush to get an advisor because they think they may get them better positioning in the draft. Remember the draft is about the best player who will be available for the teams needs. A projected...
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Consultant ·
Jimt ask agent to be paid by the hour. Bob
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keewart ·
This. My son's advisor works only by referrals. As a college student, and of legal age to sign a contract, it was KEEWARTSON that needed to be comfortable with HIM. I occasionally asked son to ask him some questions for us, but son did all the communicating. As a matter of fact, it was only after the draft that I communicated with the advisor-now-agent with a quick text to thank him for all he did for our son. We have still yet to meet him. I was advised by a someone in the youth travel...
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keewart ·
Bob, with all due respect, I have never heard of this. Only percentages. Now, those percentages may be all over the board! If an advisor is paid BEFORE the draft he then becomes an agent, and the player looses his amateur status. (I am pretty sure of this?)
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Trust In Him ·
I am no expert on this topic but will relay my understanding from what was presented to me. My understanding is what Keewart said, you pay an advisor anything then you lose your NCAA elibility. I do believe a high school senior can do certain things but check it out. As a general rule advisors get nothing in return for advising. They do it for free. Only after the draft if they become your agent do they get compensated, and it's for being your agent not for anything done as an advisor. Thus...
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RedFishFool ·
Choosing an advisor was much, much tougher than choosing a college...IMO
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joemktg ·
HS player treatment same as collegiate player.
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TPM ·
Yep, I remember those conversations!!
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Consultant ·
Prior to the selection of the player in the Pro draft and the decision of the player to become a professional baseball player all discussions with a baseball agent are verbal and no contract is signed. Discussions can be regarding the type of future contract and method of compensation [by the hour or a % and amount of the %]. A player's family requested my help in selection of an agent and I narrowed to 3 quality agents and negotiated the % and their responsibilities to their client. The...
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RedFishFool ·
"Uncle Sam receives the greater % of the bonus. Why not incorporate the player? " Define greater %? I will preface this by saying that I've never done a tax return for a player but incorporating would be greatly dependent upon the size of the bonus, etc as to whether it would be worthwhile or not?
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Trust In Him ·
I agree with Joemktg but remembered something about this. I didn't pay much attention at the time since didn't apply to my son. Applies only to certain conferences it appears. See link: http://www.baseballamerica.com...#zjEE04D04M7xGDt5.97
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Trust In Him ·
If I only knew lol.....Brings up a memory with my son. After receiving his $5 signing bonus he was shocked to learn he doesn't get to keep "all of it".
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Shoveit4Ks ·
I do believe that some advisors have more leverage than others with teams. What that actually gets you in the end is unknown at this point.
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joemktg ·
I'm not certain about leverage, but there may be a deeper level of knowledge of one organization over another. An agency that has a team of agents working in concert (or relying upon each other) can overcome this deficiency.
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TPM ·
You were right the other day about rules being different for potential HS drafts. The NCAA has always been more lenient with college juniors and R players, they should be for HS players. While some say that some advisor/ agents with ML relationships might help, that might be for the big time agents with big time prospects, however sons agents agency at the time, we're pretty well established with the Tigers, but they didn't need a ground ball RHP. The draft is based on need. Don't let anyone...
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Division 3 to Pro

lionhurler ·
Does anyone have any experience or know how to get pro scouts to come see you play at a Division 3 school? I've heard most of the Division 3 players that get drafted/signed played in top summer leagues like Northwoods or Cape Cod but those leagues seem to want scout recommendations. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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Draft or College?

joemktg ·
I was asked how to determine whether a drafted player should go pro or take the collegiate route. Here's my response... Set aside the qualitative factors, and let's focus on the quantitative... Unless he's a top 20 out of College X, he will receive less money out of college vs. HS. You'll need to quantify the average yearly earnings from an X degree from College X. With that information, here are the variables: Size of net signing bonus (taking into account agency fees, taxes, etc.): X...
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Agent Advisers and their role

Jim T. ·
Can anyone explain to me the role and importance of an agent adviser prior to the draft? I don't think they can engage scouts on behalf of their "clients" but do they do so in a roundabout fashion? Also, does it hurt or help if the player's adviser is from a large agency or not? I've heard it can hurt to some extent but can't imagine that's the case below the top couple round. Any insight would be greatly appreciated
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Getting drafted

Shortstopmonkey ·
Hi! my name is Mohamed Salman and i´m a baseball player from sweden. I´m 20 years old and hopefully after summer semester ill be going to US to play college Baseball. My question is: Will the fact that my name is Mohamed lessen my chance of getting drafted? i´ve had this in my mind for a while now and even considered to change my name. Honestly i´m not even a religious guy but it still is my birth name and so i was afraid that it might lessen the chance of me getting drafted. I really want...
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Consultant ·
You have not configured "Uncle Sam" and the agents and the future of Wall Street. Bob
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Truman ·
Before I retired from being a financial planner, this was the kind of analysis I did and advised my 2010 son on when he was drafted out of HS. I came up with numbers and conclusions very similar. One factor I had that's not here is the amount/value of the paid educational benefit that's typically in an Milb contract and looking at scenarios where the player never exercises the benefit (which is all ready accounted for here) and when the player does exercise the benefit taking 4 years of...
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Truman ·
Oh, and. . . son went to school since he didn't quite get the target number we came to. The offer was close, but am proud that son stuck to his guns over the temptation to get some money like he's never seen before.
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BOF ·
Also not in the equation is the experience of college. You can only be a college student once in your lifetime and the experience should not be discounted. Also playing for a winning program and going through conference tournaments, Regionals and for the few lucky ones, a CWS experience is hard to put a price tag on.
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Enjoying the Ride ·
THIS.
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3and2Fastball ·
If you are interested in a career in Baseball as a coach, scout or front office person after your playing days are done, going pro seems to me a no-brainer. An exception might be playing in college for a legendary coach and being able to learn first hand from him.
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Goosegg ·
It's just such a personal decision, it's impossible to quantify because each person will weigh each variable differently. Its a decision which chooses one path and burns the other path - sure, you can go to college at any age (I did as an older student), but going to play baseball in college is not possible. And college baseball is likely the last time a kid will play for a team he will care about for the rest of his life. Most of my son's peers who were drafted out of HS didn't make MLB (7...
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Dominik85 ·
I would take top 2 rounds Money, you can still go to college with that Money if you fail plus you have played pro ball which is a cool Thing. if you are a 9th rounder it would probably be smart to go to college because the Odds are stacked against you but I can still understand People chase their dream.
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joemktg ·
Taxes are a distinct variable based on investment strategies and situation. And to refer to it as a variable is an understatement. Future of WS: it's consistent regardless of the strategy, i.e., it doesn't vary by strategy as it is an outside factor that hits any strategy in the same manner.
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joemktg ·
You're right! That's a benefit that needs to be worked into the model!
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joemktg ·
$2MM or the chance to experience regionals+. That's part of the qualitative variables that are NOT a part of this quantitative analysis. Modeling out allows you to quantify the cost of taking the chance to attend regionals vs. taking the money. A gross bonus of $2MM is over $15MM after 35 years. So you have to ask is it worthwhile to give up $15MM at the age of 55 for the chance to go to a regional? Modeling future returns prevents blind decision making.
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joemktg ·
1) It's not strictly an economic decision, but you better have those quantitative answers at hand so that you can make a well-rounded decision. 2) No doubt. And you may even become the CEO of a presidential campaign.
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nxt lvl ·
Most college ball players dont experience Regionals. Not every program makes it there in a four year window. So I would not put Regionals into that equation. Also, not all players drafted in the first two rounds make it to the MLB. The only thing that is constant is the need to keep earning income. The bonus money in the first one and a half rounds of the draft is hard to replace, so I would not consider the draft out of high school unless we were sure of being selected in that window. Hard...
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Goosegg ·
Let's look at this from another angle. First, assume a player is not a "can't miss" 1st or 2nd round selection. (Those players have a chance to rocket through the system, and are handled a bit differently by organizations, when compared to most later picks.) Compare the rest of the HS picks career trajectories to the highly drafted college junior. Draft year (year 1): HS (18 yrs) player drafted and heads to complex ball; college player plays local ball in his summer before college. Year 2:...
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Cap217 ·
I know someone who was drafted in the 3rd round. Turned it down and had offers from every top program in the country. Played 3 years and was drafted in the 2nd round. He said that he was glad he did that for the experience and the maturity. He said that if he would have been starting in the minors as an 18 year old he would have had a different mentality. It also helped playing for team USA and all that experience. He now is on a MLB roster for the past 3 years. Last year the whole season.
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2017LHPscrewball ·
I think the concept of having $15MM socked away 35 years down the line is not the best approach in making this decision. For one thing, that $15MM will be worth a whole lot less than $15MM today. Besides, any kid who gets a $2MM bonus is probably not going to simply set it aside and not touch a dime. Not saying it gets blown, but a little nicer car (maybe a 2015 F150 instead of a 2005 Civic) and some nicer accommodations (maybe only 1 roommate instead of 3) early on and maybe some larger...
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joemktg ·
Something else to consider...probabilities of making it to the bigs...
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Goosegg ·
The trouble with the stats showing the percentage of draftees making it to mlb, is the result is binary for each individual. This isn't like applying to a dozen schools in the hopes that you'll get in to one; you either make it or not and cannot bail to another employer until that initial contract is over. For some, its a great decison to sign out of HS, for others it would be a poor and life altering moment. Over the years, my thinking on this has become much less purely analytical and more...
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3and2Fastball ·
I suppose this is when someone points out the exceptions. Such as: Scooter Gennett. Only 5'10", not a projectable body, not enough arm strength to stick at SS (which he played in high school), drafted in the 16th Round. Decided to go pro, and has played 4 years of MLB so far. Yep, yep I know, for every Scooter Gennett type there are a few hundred players who don't make it. That is why they call it "chasing your dreams". It isn't "chasing a sure thing"
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