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Re: Division 3 to Pro

SluggerDad ·
The coach of my son's D3 says that he expects that up to three of his players should draw some interest in the draft this year. From what we can gather the coaches are well connected and well respected, at least for a D3. They seem to get what might be called a small trickle of guys drafted from time to time. I think I read on their website that it was 24 in the past I can't remember how many years. So it definitely can happen. Of those 24 draft picks, though, I think most were in very late...
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Re: Division 3 to Pro

lionhurler ·
Thanks for the input everyone! Looks like I'll have to attend a tryout this summer since my school isn't a power house D3 program. We do play a lot of power house schools (two schools from our conference went to the world series last year and one of their coaches made it to the majors) though so I may get lucky if a scout is watching someone on another team. I am a pitcher by the way and I know we have a better chance at being scouted. Thanks again!
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Goosegg ·
Here's the key question: what is your velo (sitting and touch)?
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lionhurler ·
I'm a sophomore sitting around 86-87 touching 88
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Goosegg ·
With that velo, you should press your coach to find you a spot - Northwoods would be perfect for you. If he does not have the contacts, press him to speak to an area scout who has the right contacts. If that doesn't work, at the beginning of the Northwoods season, teams are always looking for temp players to fill in until the rostered players arrive. Do well during that temp contract and the team will either have a spot or call other teams on your behalf. Also, as the Northwoods season...
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infielddad ·
lion, I am going to come at this in a slightly different way, but it worked for our son who was a D3 position player who was drafted. This is actually the way our son's D3 coach did it and his track record for Summer placements is second to none at the D3 level-last summer he had one player selected as a Northwoods All Star and 2 selected as NECBL All-Stars, (including one pitcher) and another who was one of the very top hitters in the NECBL for most of that Summer. I would suggest you look...
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Dominik85 ·
Contact a guy like Kyle or cressey and get your velo up a little
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BOF ·
You have received great advice, get on a good summer league team, work on your velo, and don't worry about the pro prospects until it is evident you have those skills. 86-88 in today's world is nowhere near where you need to be. Frankly 90 is not that unusual these days, for serious pro interest you will have to sit 90 (minimum) and be touching 94-95, anything less than this you are just kidding yourself. My son has a friend from his program (CWS team) who sat 90 touched 94 and was taken as...
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Re: Agent Advisers and their role

bacdorslider ·
" I don't think they can engage scouts on behalf of their "clients" " hummmmm a tad naive
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Jim T. ·
Thanks for the insight!
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2017LHPscrewball ·
My understanding from listening to folks on here is that they can be helpful but oftentimes are not necessary. Depending on the projected round, they may serve little or no purpose if all they are concerned about is the transaction at hand. Conversely, I heave heard that a solid adviser can be a great benefit even if the decision is made to decline an offer. That said, I have also heard that some scouts themselves can often provide a wealth of information and that their job is not...
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bacdorslider ·
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joemktg ·
Jim, They absolutely play a vital role in the process, as they are your eyes and ears into each club while they advocate for your son during his senior year. Feedback is vital, and they are the means to feedback. Why? You will have a strategy, and that strategy will need to be adjusted at every turn based on that feedback. And by the way, they will also advise as to what you should be doing if you're not doing it. Large or small, help or hurt? I strongly recommend that you not consider that...
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Consultant ·
Did your son play in the Area Code games? We averaged $35 million in signing bonus each year. Over 500 agents attended each year. The good agents are easy to ID bob Williams founder 1987-2004
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coachld ·
It is like any other professional service. There are some great advisers/agents and shady ones as well. Make sure you do your homework and you will more then likely find an adviser who can be a great resource. My son (2018 RHP) and our family have had a positive experience so far. FYI...We went with a local guy who works for a smaller firm.
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Trust In Him ·
Advisers play a huge role in educating the player and parents about the process for the draft. There is a whole set of NCAA rules for things they are permitted to do. Important thing is to find the right fit (sounds like choosing a college huh?). Someone who your son can relate with, shares similar beliefs, and can talk to your son. Most have either college or minor league/MLB background thus they relate to the situations your son may be experiencing. My experience is you don't go out...
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Shoveit4Ks ·
Advisors can help protect you in regards to health info requests, candid conversations on projections and interest and guide you through a challenging process. It's a business and not everyone is always looking out for your best interest...if you know what i mean. As with any business there are the good ones and the bad ones.
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TPM ·
I don't believe that every player needs an advisor for the draft and hand over a % of their earned money. Players that will be very early draft picks usually do, there is a lot of money at stake so you do need advice of an experienced professional with experience that have players on a ML roster. People rush to get an advisor because they think they may get them better positioning in the draft. Remember the draft is about the best player who will be available for the teams needs. A projected...
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Consultant ·
Jimt ask agent to be paid by the hour. Bob
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keewart ·
This. My son's advisor works only by referrals. As a college student, and of legal age to sign a contract, it was KEEWARTSON that needed to be comfortable with HIM. I occasionally asked son to ask him some questions for us, but son did all the communicating. As a matter of fact, it was only after the draft that I communicated with the advisor-now-agent with a quick text to thank him for all he did for our son. We have still yet to meet him. I was advised by a someone in the youth travel...
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keewart ·
Bob, with all due respect, I have never heard of this. Only percentages. Now, those percentages may be all over the board! If an advisor is paid BEFORE the draft he then becomes an agent, and the player looses his amateur status. (I am pretty sure of this?)
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Trust In Him ·
I am no expert on this topic but will relay my understanding from what was presented to me. My understanding is what Keewart said, you pay an advisor anything then you lose your NCAA elibility. I do believe a high school senior can do certain things but check it out. As a general rule advisors get nothing in return for advising. They do it for free. Only after the draft if they become your agent do they get compensated, and it's for being your agent not for anything done as an advisor. Thus...
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RedFishFool ·
Choosing an advisor was much, much tougher than choosing a college...IMO
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joemktg ·
HS player treatment same as collegiate player.
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TPM ·
Yep, I remember those conversations!!
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Consultant ·
Prior to the selection of the player in the Pro draft and the decision of the player to become a professional baseball player all discussions with a baseball agent are verbal and no contract is signed. Discussions can be regarding the type of future contract and method of compensation [by the hour or a % and amount of the %]. A player's family requested my help in selection of an agent and I narrowed to 3 quality agents and negotiated the % and their responsibilities to their client. The...
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RedFishFool ·
"Uncle Sam receives the greater % of the bonus. Why not incorporate the player? " Define greater %? I will preface this by saying that I've never done a tax return for a player but incorporating would be greatly dependent upon the size of the bonus, etc as to whether it would be worthwhile or not?
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Trust In Him ·
I agree with Joemktg but remembered something about this. I didn't pay much attention at the time since didn't apply to my son. Applies only to certain conferences it appears. See link: http://www.baseballamerica.com...#zjEE04D04M7xGDt5.97
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Trust In Him ·
If I only knew lol.....Brings up a memory with my son. After receiving his $5 signing bonus he was shocked to learn he doesn't get to keep "all of it".
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Shoveit4Ks ·
I do believe that some advisors have more leverage than others with teams. What that actually gets you in the end is unknown at this point.
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joemktg ·
I'm not certain about leverage, but there may be a deeper level of knowledge of one organization over another. An agency that has a team of agents working in concert (or relying upon each other) can overcome this deficiency.
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TPM ·
You were right the other day about rules being different for potential HS drafts. The NCAA has always been more lenient with college juniors and R players, they should be for HS players. While some say that some advisor/ agents with ML relationships might help, that might be for the big time agents with big time prospects, however sons agents agency at the time, we're pretty well established with the Tigers, but they didn't need a ground ball RHP. The draft is based on need. Don't let anyone...
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Re: When discussing Draft....What is Leverage

Go44dad ·
The best leverage is to be really, really good. Even better, be John Elway. But you got the gist.
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Re: When discussing Draft....What is Leverage

PitchingFan ·
You got it. Just like any negotiating deal the person with the most leverage wins. A HS senior with a good offer has leverage. A juco freshman has a little less, then juco sophomore, then junior, and a senior is in trouble unless they have a lot to offer. It still depends on talent and projectibility. The change in leverage is when someone makes a growth spurt or adds speed/power either as a pitcher or hitter. But all things equal and progressing as normal your best leverage is as a HS...
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Re: When discussing Draft....What is Leverage

Eokerholm ·
Yes, I've heard, for pitchers, it's around 50% chance to make it to the bigs out of HS, but upwards of 70-80% out of college and you're 1 year from a degree. They've fed you, strength coach, play experience, etc. That seems to be the "Better" odds, not that they're great and with 10% of guys drafting out of college, 90% of guys need to think of their future/education, etc. We know too many personal stories of guys that drafted out of HS that wouldn't recommend it or do it again, if given the...
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Re: When discussing Draft....What is Leverage

TPM ·
Yes to your last paragraph. But $$$ is the leverage. A 100% paid scholarship is more leverage than 50%. A scholarship to Vandy is more leverage than a walk on to a P5 program. In all cases the HS player will have the better option. To the 3rd year player, the team most likely will cover the last year and you will get paid slot $$. There is essentially no leverage for a graduating senior or one with a few more credits to go. Be aware that the ML Scholarship plan is a joke. In the end it's all...
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Re: When discussing Draft....What is Leverage

RJM ·
Have the right build (6’4” 210) and a 95 mph fastball in college and being really good won’t matter. Health Hembree was drafted in the 5th round out of college as a junior after barely pitching his first two seasons (for two schools) and a 6.53 ERA and. boat load of walks his junior year at a third college. He was projectable. He’s pitched better in MLB than in college.
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Dominik85 ·
I agree. Everything being equal a hs guy has more leverage than college jr and especially college senior because they have something to go back to but part of why seniors have less leverage is selection bias, i.e. most seniors are seniors because they weren't drafted top5 rounds and chose getting a degree over getting 10k in the 19th round. If you are really good you can still get paid as a senior (see mark appel who didn't sign and went first overall for a like 8m as a senior) but most...
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Re: When discussing Draft....What is Leverage

RJM ·
Jake Mangum (Miss State) was a fourth round pick after senior year. He signed for 20K. Slot was 487K. His options were sign or go home. The word is several teams contacted him the previous year offering 300K if he would sign. He wanted to return for senior year as 23yo to win the CWS. There isn’t a personal baseball future reason to return senior year unless the player believes he will go from undrafted to drafted. All the leverage is gone. You’re also one year older waiting until after...
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Re: When discussing Draft....What is Leverage

Eokerholm ·
If it means finishing a degree for the 90% of people not drafted I can see the value of returning or increasing your draft slot like the pitcher did at Arkansas last year. Some baseball programs limit classes and some limit majors so at 12 hrs/semester the school gets 5 years of instruction/tuition vs 4 years at 15/semester. O’Connor explained it well at my son’s UVA visit. The dream should/could be to get drafted and play but if guys aren’t also securing education and a degree I think they...
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TPM ·
Jake Magnum was an exception. Money wasn't an issue. During the recruiting visits sit down with HC, discuss if the school pays for them to return to get their degree. Clemson has a Tiger fund, 36 credit max plus room and board. Most larger and P5 programs have that program. All of these things help in the decision. I think that it has been proven that 12 or 15 hour semesters are easier to get through than what used to be 18 for all sports. But yes, depends on major. That, was tough.
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Re: When discussing Draft....What is Leverage

RJM ·
Jake Mangum’s financial situation was different. His father is very successful professionally. He turned down scholarship money so the team would have more money to give to other players to improve the team. But disregarding money, if you want a future in baseball how wise is it to not come out at twenty-one (after his soph year) or twenty-two (after his junior year) versus staying until you end your eligibility, sign and hit short season at age twenty-three? He will be in low A this year at...
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TPM ·
Doesn't matter why he did what he did that was his choice. I am sure that you know that the Penn league short season at Brooklyn is where the college guys start and that is a lot different than rookie. I am sure his next step will be be AA. But that would be in a normal year. So we have a friend whose son was drafted high out of high school at 18 in 2012. He has been so far in 3 trades, now on the big club with a BA below the mendoza line. He told me last fall that if it didn't improve this...
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Re: When discussing Draft....What is Leverage

RJM ·
I don’t disagree with passing on signing out of high school to go to college. However, first round money can make a difference. One of the baseball kid’s who came before my son in high school (daughter’s class) signed out of high school. He didn’t consider the ramifications of not turning eighteen until fall and being 6’1’ 170 playing against mostly twenty-one and twenty-two year old, far more physically developed men. He washed out in three years versus having attended a HA major conference...
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Eokerholm ·
My 17 yo junior, ranked top 25 RHP nationally and #2 in TX is 6’4” 195 and currently throws low 90s, should hit mid 90s this summer. Sit mid 90s next spring/summer when he graduates. Has control of 4 pitches. Threw a complete perfect game at WWBA Jupiter playing up this year. I think he could have a legit shot at the draft if he stays in shape and healthy but will be in with the likes of Kumar Rocket and others but..... We know some high 1st rounders that got $4M and wouldn’t recommend it.
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Go44dad ·
That’s leverage. And leverage gives you choices.
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baseballmom ·
Food for thought... It's one thing to get drafted out of HS, another as a Jr in college...The "tests" just begin either way. Progressing a level, maybe 2 a year is not easy. Staying healthy is THE test...performing is equally THE test...and it starts all over every spring... Consider the lifestyle...living in hotels, eating too much junk food, some long & cramped bus rides all night, trying to sleep , arriving 4-5-6 AM, (sometimes later), report to field 11-12 pm, game at 7pm...shower...
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TPM ·
Long way off until your son's draft. But I agree with the college first, as did Rockers folks. Do your time and grow up in college. And every organization is different.
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TPM ·
100%! Baseballmom brought up stuff that I forgot about. School helps prepare you for THE GRIND. And milb is not MLB!
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Eokerholm ·
We are definitely an academic family. I have 3 masters, his mom 1 masters as we’re encouraging college for sure. A degree from Georgia Tech goes a long way after baseball!
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