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Re: How To Get By In The Minors On $1,500 A Month
$1,500/month for 12 months starting out would actually be a pretty good start. Now try making it on $1,100 for 5, maybe six months, not having any real control over which city you play ball in, having to work through changes in living arrangements (still love to know how they manage deposits and utilities) and then presumably pack up and head "home" where maybe you can start maybe making some real money working weekends as a ref. Egregious might be a little strong, but I'd much rather hear...
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Re: How To Get By In The Minors On $1,500 A Month
GOOSEGG - What's a shekel? Regardless, good point!
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Re: How To Get By In The Minors On $1,500 A Month
If you can adapt you thrive. If there are 400,000 people qualified and ready to do your job it's a form or supply and demand. You take their demands or they find a different supply.
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I look at it like this. If you went fairly high in the draft then you have some savings. If you went fairly low in the draft you are there for the love of the game and would do it for no salary.
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Re: How To Get By In The Minors On $1,500 A Month
Hmmm??? Like baseball players, indentured laborers have/had a choice as to whether or not to sign a contract. Does having such a choice negate problem(s) with such contracts?
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There seems to be a misconception about who makes it to proball and who doesn't. There is not a line - like at a grocery store - whereby if a patron leaves the line, the next person moves forward. That is not how the proball system works. Every player signed or drafted (courtesy picks aside) has been identified by his organization (and probably others, though it only takes one) as having a potential MLB tool. While some players may be missed, no team signs and devotes time and coaching to a...
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Re: How To Get By In The Minors On $1,500 A Month
Just because one can swing a bat and throw a ball doesn't make anyone qualified to play at the MiLB level. If that were so you wouldn't have the draft and you wouldn't have the different levels within MiLB. MLB wants the very best ball players to provide competitive training for their top prospects. The statistical numbers the MLB collects bears that out. So, there really aren't that many qualified players waiting in the wings. The principle of supply and demand isn't at work at the MiLB levels.
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Re: How To Get By In The Minors On $1,500 A Month
If what you are saying is true then why do we hear about guys stuck at the same low level for years? It appears from the outside looking in that they keep a ready supply of low level never going to make it people for a LONG time. Why is that? EDIT: according to Wikipedia there are 244 minor league teams. If we say 25 to a team that makes over 6000 players to maintain the supply.
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They're only kept until someone better if found. Some play well enough long enough, yet can't quite get over the hump into MLB. Sometimes there are those around for a long time as they are MLB material, but there's a log jam in their path keeping them down at the lower levels (often, this is where you see trading going on). If the law of supply and demand were at work, these lower level players would have a lot more control over who they play for, where and when. . . which would certainly...
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Re: How To Get By In The Minors On $1,500 A Month
Do not conflate advancing IN the minors, with making it TO the minors.
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Re: How To Get By In The Minors On $1,500 A Month
Very true, 400K hoping to get to minors. 6K actually in the minors. Truman I think you missed my definition of supply and demand. There is a large supply, so they better yield to the demands. In truth I know you have to be born with something special to have a shot at MLB and not everyone can do it, even if they try their hardest. But I also know there are not just a handful a generation, the number is large, and people will put up with a lot for a shot at their dream. As the lottery...
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I agree that there are very few who actually are good enough play on a ML field in milb. Every once in a while you find a gem. Keep in mind, very important, that most players drafted because they are needed to provide a team for those that will someday be a ML player. My personal opinion is that they really don't care much about most players. My son became a free agent before his 6th year. The team that signed him as a free agent really only cared for their draft guys. If a player has played...
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The real reason the salary is what it is has NOTHING to do with the players willing to take zero or a million (well, I guess, theoretically if EVERY player identified with a potential MLB tool decided not to play for the present salary, things would change. I guess that would be called a strike). The reason the wages are what they are has to do with a system which is not subject to the laws of a free market. Yes, you need to play baseball to even have a shot; but, unless you have that...
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Re: How To Get By In The Minors On $1,500 A Month
But you would agree there are over 6000 people in the minor leagues right now? Would you agree there are over 750 people in MLB right now? Would you agree there are about 7000 people with that "critical potential tool"? Or are there really like 1000 people with the tool and 6000 people chasing the dream that won't ever happen because they are just there to play against the 1000 that are truly special?
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There is much truth to TPM's observations. There are huge differences (apparent even to me) in the potential of players in MILB. For example, some have multiple potential tools, while another may have only one - and that one will probably not even develop to MLB level. And no matter what, the odds are still long that even if a player with multiple potential tools gets to play proball, he will make it all the way (and there are lots of reasons apart from potential for that result - the most...
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Re: How To Get By In The Minors On $1,500 A Month
I am going to take a shot, maybe a few hundred will actually stick. Each team has 40 men on their roster. That means 15 are in AA or AAA. There are rules in place for call up and send back down. So if you are not on the roster, keep in mind that you have players in front of you. If you wannamake it to the big city you have to pray for everyone to get injured, or DFA. Statistics given to me by sons agent, 4 years is the average time a player spends in ML. I am not sure of your point but I tried.
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My point was there are thousands of people on the MiLB praying for their shot. There are thousands outside of MiLB praying for their shot. Most are not actually going to make it and a fair many are there as bodies who can assist in the training of the people who will make it, and there is more behind them just hopping to be one of those bodies because "if they could just REALLY show what they could do" they would make it to MLB. As far as MLB is concerned the supply is endless, so they don't...
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$1,150 - $1,500 a month for 6 months, just isn't enough to reflect these skilled and experienced player's true value to their organizations. Yes, they play for these amounts for the love of the game and that's what the organizations are exploiting. Just figuring on a 40 hr. work week, $1,500 calculates to $8.65 hr (gross/before-taxes) and the hours are more than that when being there just about every day 7 days per week. Before the season starts, the month of Spring Training, the players...
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I agree there is virtually an endless supply who'd line up and love to have such a shot at MLB, BUT. . . there simply isn't that many that are talented enough that the organizations would want. All those that would line up, aren't wanted! Therefore, what's the point? It's not like the organizations want to take on unskilled people, like say the food industry does. Those at the MiLB level, even the lower levels of it, are not as replaceable as you seem to suggest. There's only a certain...
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Re: How To Get By In The Minors On $1,500 A Month
You are correct. As long as the supply keeps flowing, salaries will remain as they are. Just for the record, I never had a problem with the low wages, there were other concerns. I think the experience alone is the paycheck. Son is who he is because of his life experiences. But I also believe having a plan B is very important.
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Truman, are you saying there are people in the MiLB that aren't qualified to be there? Pretty sure 6000+ people in the MiLB would make up my line and 6000 people likely looks like an endless supply to every MLB team. You could make the 30 MLB teams eight times over, even if you only consider 25 man roster, which many MiLB have more than 25. 244 MiLB teams, 30 MLB teams.
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Most of the players in the minors are there so the legitimate pro prospects have teammates. A handful of the legit prospects make it to the majors and stick. Had all the AAA and AA prospects in the minors for the Red Sox about three years ago made it they could have been as good as a MLB bottom feeder. But many of them failed at the MLB level, especially the pitchers.
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While I do feel there are just a few each year of that 6000 that really aren't qualified (often seen as those released soon after their first year of rookie ball and even some that get in due to nepotism), but, no . . . I'm not referring to that 6000. I'm referring the the hordes ready to line up to replace those 6000.
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The baseball industry is much larger than the players. However, it is full of former baseball players. Coaching, scouting, agents, instructors, front office personnel, GMs, etc. Many so called fill ins, end up with long careers in baseball. The money is what it is until it is changed. Absolutely no one is forced to live the life. Obviously it is about the dream of making it big. For some it isn't as difficult as others. It's a chance for many. It can be valuable whether you make it or not.
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Actually your argument would support the opinion that minor leaguers are OVERPAID! Since the supply far outruns demand. Many many thousands would play minor league baseball for free just for their shot at glory. So if you look at it simply as crass capitalism wages are artificially high. I do not believe that. Again I hope they do get a raise. But at the same time everybody knows the score. It's a free country do it or don't do it. But nobody wants to hear the woe is me story.
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Addressing some points here... 1. It does open doors for a lifetime. Especially in baseball itself. Even if it's doing $80 an hour lessons at the local academy. Not bad money by the way. Former minor leaguers never had it better with this personal instruction obsession we now have. 2. The 'value' of these players is highly debatable. As someone mentioned most of them are there to play catch with real prospects. Every once in a while one of them fools you and makes it - good for them! The...
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"Actually your argument would support the opinion that minor leaguers are OVERPAID! Since the supply far outruns demand." No, the supply does not outrun the demand. There is no limit to the number of amateurs an organization may sign. The organizations don't sign more because the organizations don't view the available supply as matching up to the skills required (you can debate whether the organizations experts don't know their jobs and misjudge some amateurs potential - but that is a case...
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Re: How To Get By In The Minors On $1,500 A Month
Because it is a game, and they are players, not laborers.
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I wholeheartedly disagree with this. MILB and MLB is a BUSINESS.
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Re: How To Get By In The Minors On $1,500 A Month
How does an unpaid internship differ from MILB?
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Perhaps I should start a new thread regarding the low salaries of high school coaches! Ever break that down as an hourly rate of pay? Let's say you make $5000 as a head basketball coach. How many hours do you think that guy puts in for the 5k? Well let's just start with 25 games. Gonna be at your JV game not just show up for varsity right? It's a four or five hour night. Let's go low and say four. That's 100 hours. Now there is the bus ride there and back for road games. Add another 15...
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.
Just a simple question ... Why would a kid listen to a sixteen year old versus a professional pitcher? Your heart is in the right place. I’m just not sure the effort will be effective.
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.
I guess the simple answer is that younger pitchers can be more relatable to kids than a pro. Also, not many pros have a Free detailed program online that teaches kids how to go from t-ball to HS Varsity level. Possibly because pro's are either busy or want to be paid in some way for their time. Granted there is no revolutionary information being relayed. Most of the content is "best practices" type of stuff. But, Good information can come from anyone. A lot of the pitching instruction videos...
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.
I agree with you -- good content is good content, regardless of the age or experience of the presenter. Certainly pro pitchers bring more credibility to the table, but they are not necessarily good coaches and communicators. I think the video you linked to is pretty good and I hope the kid keeps it up.
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.
@JCG Thanks for the reply. I think that if kids took the time and effort to engage in positive projects like this, it should be encouraged. There are enough people already on the other side of the equation giving criticism. How many pro's are teaching online and opening themselves up for criticism?
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.
It is really cool to see a young man trying to give back to the community and the game! Creating a YouTube channel for pitching will bring value to many who may not have the resources to secure professional instruction. Feedback for improvement: 1) Watch a few YouTube videos on Camera presence. He does a great job of showing enthusiasm, but some thought should go into the viewer's experience as well. Meaning, all the unnecessary movement takes away from the viewer's ability to focus on the...
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.
@Scott Muroe Thanks for the feedback and the suggestions. I feel like your post is a good example of how forums like this should be used. Meaningful and constructive feedback is not always easy to come by on forums. Thank you! I'll pass the sentiment along. I think that collaboration with other programs may be a little ways down the road given time and age constraints.
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.
You are welcome! Also, I agree the forum should be a place for feedback....how else can you learn if you do not ask for feedback? In defense of those who choose not to provide feedback, this forum has a couple of members on it that have ruined it for people like you and I apologize for that. There many good people on this site who have a wealth of knowledge that would love to help continue an up and coming player's success. You know who they are...just PM them with your questions. Just for...
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.
Why can't a 16 year old be an effective coach? Who knows? I am certain my son could teach younger kids to pitch better than a lot of coaches out there. I do just want to put one thing out there. I live in Texas. If my HS son gives lessons, helps someone out with baseball or similar and gets paid for it, it is a UIL violation and if you play on a high school team all of the games can (and most likely will) be forfeited. It happened here a couple years ago. ...
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.
@go44dad Thanks for the reply and heads up. At this time, the you-tube channel and all the content is free and he is not getting paid for anything. But that is a good point about the various rules around players getting paid. Thanks you!
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.
I just took a quick glance at this from work with no audio. My observation may be useful from this different perspective. The video is 4:18 long. There are three short 5 second action clips (two of them being identical). The remaining 4+ minutes are video of a guy talking. I don't even know what the topic was but kids young and old require a much higher ratio of visual demonstration and less talk. Even if he was just talking about what he was going to be presenting in the future, still need...
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.
@cabbagedad Thanks for the reply and the thoughtful feedback. I'll make that suggestion to the channel producer.
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Re: How To Get By In The Minors On $1,500 A Month
On a related note, the court threw out the MILB suit and the players lawyers' surrendered. If MLB desires, it could now actually cut MILB salaries.
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Roughly $33 a day after rent. Not sure if the rent includes heat / air. But they get to eat 6 of 21 meals (in clubhouse of home games) free, if I read that correctly but do have to pay for food when they are away in clubhouse?. I know a lot of people that work minimum wage ($8.10 / hour) for far less a day to live on. That being said, I think it is ludicrous that they are not paid during spring training. I would assume they cannot work another job during that time, so money is just being...
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VERY VERY true. College summer teams do it all the time. In my son's case the one time he has done that so far, the team gave the host family season tickets in return
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Regarding "host family", I love that set up for summer college and for youth international travel but this is supposed to be professional (i.e. - paid) baseball. I think that when the need for host families comes into the conversation regarding MILB, that is a clear indicator that the pay scale is insufficient. Also, the season is a heck of a lot longer and the players are older. I could see a lot of potential pitfalls. I don't know. I think I've heard that some do that now??
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Host families are not free. Roughly 1/4 to 1/3 of a player's gross pay goes to the host family; for that players get a bed, in most families (but not all) decent food, and no lease (so the player isn't on the hook when reassigned). Most host families are wonderful and wind up losing money on the food end; some are in it for the few extra dollars. The bad ones are usually weeded out - as players wont live with that family once word gets around. Also, since rent is due up front and before the...