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Re: how hard do I have to throw to go D1
I am watching the SEC tournament, Texas A&M pitcher is pretty consistent at 87-88 on the fastball...watch Miami vs. Georgia Tech earlier, pretty much the same. All this talk about 90+ in recruiting sure doesn't seem to translate on the field. As I speak Mizzou's Houck threw a 91 MPH FB and these announcers have really been talking him up.
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Heard this in the stands at a recent game: Scout1 "How'd he get this guy throwing 91?" Scout2 "Recruited him when he threw 93." (Don't forget to consider the huge difference in workload, pressure, and academics in college. Lots more innings the work horses throw when compared to HS; this time of year exhaustion sets in - think The Belmont's last 1/8 mile.)
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90+ in recruiting is more of the reality all the time. More HS guys are throwing harder. And it translates on the field. But I'll agree with Goosegg, way more innings thrown by many college guys than in high school. A schedule with 50+ games at D1...more than double what many high school schedules have. Add in the conditioning and weight training multiple times per week, academics and now finals, interstate travel, etc. My oldest is absolutely gassed right now.
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I have to agree, as a challenge I want everyone to watch the CWS. ESPN has been doing a good job of broadcasting the early round gams. . My experience the last few years is that you won't see the 90+ guys until the final 8. You will see a few, but in the later rounds (final 8) is where the really show up.
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From what I have been seeing across most levels is about a 4mph drop for cruising game velocity from max effort velocity. My guess would be college kids cruising at 88mph more than likely can touch 92mph. So kid who can pump it up every now and than to 90mph in a BP will sit 86ish in a game.
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That is true and makes a lot of sense. With my son being a pitcher I never pass on a chance to watch a pitcher on TV or in person, and I just don't see this 90+ much except for MLB, which is to be expected. People I've talked to say if a HS kid is 90+ he'll most likely be drafted, so I guess they are all in A or AA ball somewhere.
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Just because you are drafted doesn't mean you accept. LHP touching 91 was drafted in like the 37th round last year from my sons HS, he opted for Auburn. This year LHP touching 93...pretty sure someone will throw his name out there but also pretty sure he's going to GA Tech.
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Nonamedad, there are a lot more 90+ arms out there than you think. Just go to Perfect Game website and search the big tournament in Jupiter. There are over 100 kids topping at 90 and above. Now when you compare that number to the 1000s of kids playing HS baseball I guess it's not a lot. But I can assure you not all the 90+ guys are in professional baseball. My son's college team has 8 guys who ar consistently 90 or above. That doesn't mean every pitch is 90, but they hit 90 or above multiple...
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That's exactly my point, you see these teams in Omaha regularly. My challenge for everyone is to watch the CWS regional and super regional games and we can all see when the majority of 90+ arms show up. We have the top 64 teams in the country, I'm betting it will be down to 16 before 50% are 90+.
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I'm betting it will be down to 16 before 50% are 90+. Are you you talking about teams or individual staffs? There is no way it gets to 16 before you see a 90+ arm as a starter. It may be that deep before you see 50% of the entire staff at 90%. But I guarantee you that almost every team that makes the tournament has at least 1 guy that is 90+. Im not trying to be argumentative and I have nothing to backup my assertion other than what I've seen with my own eyes. Every SEC team we have faced...
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As a follow up to the last post and to answer the original OP, I'm not stating you MUST throw 90 to play at a D1. All I can tell you is from my son's experience, if you don't have the plus velocity, you need pinpoint precision, a bulldog mentality or some other makeup factor that a college recruiter is looking for. My best advice would be to go watch a few games of any schools of interest. See with your own eyes the types of pitchers they recruit. This will give you the best idea of whether...
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YoungGun mentioned Jupiter and the number of pitchers there throwing 90+. Here are the exact numbers: Number of Pitchers: 926 Number of Pitchers Throwing 90+: 197 (21%) Number of RHP Throwing 90+: 177 (25% of RHP) Number of LHP Throwing 90+: 20 (9% of RHP) Special note - 15 of the 20 are exactly at 90. As of a month after Jupiter (Data only for 2017 Pitchers): Percentage of RHP throwing 90+ committed: 84% Percentage of LHP throwing 90+ committed: 93% Only 1 had not committed Velocity of RHP...
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Like YG says. You hit 90 and you get noticed. Kid at our HS consistent at 88/89. Not much interest. Gained 1mph to get to the magic number 90 and the calls came in. Kind of ridiculous really.
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How hard do I have to throw to go D1? Or some variation of this topic is constantly being discussed. For a RHP, generally speaking, you have to throw hard. And velocity is not the only benchmark, but it's a very important one. PerfectGame is one data point. I know that not all players do PG events. My youngest is a college player and did not. My oldest was a D1 RHP / SS and only did one PG event. That said, if I read PG profiles correctly, the average fastball for 2017 grads clocked by PG in...
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87-89 sitting or touching? I find these discussions hard to follow becuse some people use max numbers and other use sitting number. And they can be 3-4mph apart
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Knowing that the poster is in Rhode Island if he cruises 85-87 every New England D1 will be interested. BC will be a little less interested unless he has great command. They have to compete in the ACC. Boston College, UMass, Holy Cross, Northeastern, Harvard, UMass Lowell, Maine, Dartmouth, Bryant, Rhode Island, Brown, UConn, Quinnipiac, Yale, Hartford, Central Connecticut, Sacred Heart and Fairfield. The thing to understand is not all D1's are created equal. There are D2 programs who could...
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Do college coaches look at projectability? Would a 16 year old sitting at 86 get looked at the same way as a 17 year old sitting at 88?
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There are other factors. Size, body frame and year to year progression would be among them. The 16yo might have peaked pitching wise while the 17yo is just getting started.
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So the answer is yes - they do look at projectability. Son is a skinny 16yo 2018 pitcher that throws 86-87 and he has some D1 schools that were interested in him but nothing concrete yet. Hoping this summer seals the deal for him.
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"Do college coaches look at projectability? Would a 16 year old sitting at 86 get looked at the same way as a 17 year old sitting at 88?" Too many variables to give a decent answer. RJM hit a few, but there are lots more pieces to the pitching puzzle.
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This topic really gets beat to death here. Those trying to give players and parents a reality check share that a certain high level of velo is necessary to get serious interest/$$$ with top programs. Others (often, those with kids who don't throw quite as hard) throw out examples of guys throwing below that threshold and "doing just fine" with Big School U. It's pretty simple. Velo is very desirable (we have also spent countless discussions explaining why). College coaches look for guys with...
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Very helpful, correlates perfectly with what my eyes tell me. If you took those 197 players and gave each of the 300 D1 program 1, there would still be 33% +/- schools without a 90+ kid. As we know SEC schools like to stockpile these guys, so even fewer to go around for the other D1 programs. Thats why when I watch BTN or the Big12 or PAC 12 baseball I will most likely see 2 kids sitting mid 80s. Makes perfect sense.
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I can't speak for noname but the way I read that was 50% of all pitchers in all games. Not 50% of teams will have at least one guy who throws 90. It would be good for him to come back and clear that up!
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That's right 50 % of the pitchers on the teams. Both teams combined, So if we see 5 kids in a game total and 2 throw 90 that doesn't count, and it counts what is shown on TV, not PG numbers.
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Cast the net wide. Plenty of opportunities outside of DI. If you aren't getting DI interest at this point, there's a reason. Focus on what you can control. Keep academics a priority. I know of plenty of kids that had great collegiate careers at something other than DI. Keep pounding the pavement that lead to the right fit. GL in 2018!
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Are you targeting D3 schools? Its more of a right place right time sometimes as well...2018 signed up to a D3 camp this past august at last minute...ended up having a career day both offensively and defensively...coach told the crowd that he would contact those they are interested in within two weeks or so...got a call five mins after we left. School ended up being a perfect fit for son with him and the coach clicking immediately. Have you done PBR or PG events? these events hold unsigned...
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If your son is a 2018 and seeking four year college opportunities, it's very late in the process for most schools. A key aspect of the overall process is to develop a vetted list of schools...vetted academically and athletically. That means fishing in the right pond, i.e., where the player really fits with respect to baseball and academics. Not wishful thinking, but schools and programs that make sense. That list can and should be vetted not just by the player and parents, but by independent...
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I'm not sure you've missed the college baseball bus, but it's pulling away as you're getting to the bus stop. Were you doing these same things over the last few years and was there interest/engagement from colleges or not? Will he walk on and take a chance? Will he play anywhere to get on a team (D2) with the goal to move up from there?
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Not sure you can move up from DII once you have enrolled and played at that level. Maybe a Juco to start and move up from there or a 4-2-4 scenario if the walk on DI doesn't work out. Based on the info here, it sounds like Juco, DII, DIII or NAIA are the his best options. Walking on to a DI without a sniff of be recruited is just asking for failure. IMHO.
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I can relate with you and your son in the stress, anxiety and non-interest with colleges. My son was in a similar position with the exception that a couple of colleges showed interest the summer before his Sr HS year began. As above have mentioned cast a wide net and keep at it. With son's consent maybe handle some of the direct correspondences with coaches to ease his burden. The D1 school that my son accepted a scholarship at actually saw him a few times over a 2 year span. The last time...
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It's hard to answer your questions...as there is no one answer for all of them. I think everyone has seen it.....a kid who doesn't have that "wow" factor getting offers before our sons who have done everything they can and don't get overwhelmed with offers...or the offers come later than we had hoped. My son was one of those kids....we saw others getting offers...and wondered why he hadn't gotten any....even though he had serious interest from a couple schools who had been making an effort...
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I'm assuming your son has a plan B. If not, he needs to get one ASAP.
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Really good song by David Lee Murphy - If the Fish Ain't Bitin'! (The chorus goes, "What kinda bait you got on the hook?" If the D-1's aren't calling by now, you still have a chance, but the chance is infinitely smaller than it would have been this last fall. You are most likely fishing in the wrong waters, because your bait is not working. Do as PO said and cast a wider net!
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BP23, talent is 99% of the equation for most college baseball coaches . The other things (social, grades, references, etc) are all just tie-breakers. Don't get me wrong, tie-breakers are important, especially if you're at the same talent level as lots of other guys. I don't mean to be negative, but if he hasn't talked to any schools that were excited about the prospect of him attending, at this late date, then he's not talking to the right schools. At this point his options are more limited...
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Formula has to be — reach out to as many coaches at as many different levels that you even might be interested in. Send them a short email and a video and see what comes back. I would advise though against thinking that JUCO is somehow easier than D1 for recruiting. In most cases, our experience was that kids looking at JUCO were going there as a way to prepare for D1, either academically or athletically, not because they couldn't have played at a D2 or D3. If your son is truly willing to...
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I agree with the sentiment of others and will try not to beat a dead horse too much. I will say this happens to way more players than folks realize... good players, capable of playing at some college level, taking all the right steps, good students, etc., etc..... just not quite good enough to convince a college coach that he will be the sure bet contributor that warrants offering some of the program's precious scholy $ - more so than others he has seen. As far as advice (considering the...
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Wow, thanks for all the feedback. He did ramp things up (started casting that wider net) a few months ago, end of summer, after him and his teammates realized that the coaches from their travel team weren't doing anything to help them. They told them all season they were making phone calls and then nothing. Only 2 scouts ever came to watch their team the entire summer season. They told all the boys there were a couple of D2s in South Carolina where they had connections and then the season...
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My advice to anyone out there looking is do not EVER rely on anyone else to "help" with your recruiting. The player needs to take the lead and then if and when you get help from coaches etc., that is the icing on the cake. I read on here once to forget about the numbers/letters... Doesnt matter if D1, 2, 3, JUCO, NAIA or anything else. Dont get caught up in the numbers. Cast a very wide net both geographically and educationally, find the right fit and take the lead in your recruitment.
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Baseballparent23.....if the D2 that he likes is local (no travel expense) and is having a camp next week, I'd say it's absolutely not a waste of money. A camp at a school, especially one that's local and has had conversations with your son is a REALLY good way to get in front of the coaches again. I'd suggest emailing them and letting them know he's coming and see what kind of reply he gets. I think their reply will give you a pretty good idea of what they have in mind with regard to him. If...
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I would go to the local D-2 Camp. He's interested, he's been told he has D-2 talent, sounds like a good place to explore.
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Thanks Buckeye, I emailed the local D2 about their camp, the recruiting coach that I met last week at another showcase to get a feel for if they thought it was good for him to go and he sent back a very encouraging reply. He said my son should definitely come to the camp. One thing I have discussed with my son is keeping the door open, even if he goes to a JUCO now, he may end up trying to come back to the D2 later. So, son was feeling rejected and reluctant to go, but after all that he...
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I would hope they are bigger than that. Any discussion you have with that school should be about your son and the school, not other players. Anyone buy the kid an alarm clock? I know everyone uses their phones now for that.
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I wouldn't be too concerned about that....your son will get looked at on his own...not what his friend did. As far as his friend....I don't know many kids who got suspended for a month for being late to a couple morning workouts.....there's gotta more that you're not hearing lol. Good luck to your son