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Re: High Academic minimum requirements

Chico Escuela ·
Hijacking the thread a bit (but this doesn't seem worth a separate post): Did anyone encounter what we used to call "exploding offers" from HA D3s? That is, did a coach say "you have to get back to me in X weeks or I'm going to move on to a different candidate"? My son is just starting to visit schools and has one offer so far (D3, very good school and solid baseball program). He's very happy about that, but says he wants to see more before he makes any decisions. That coach did not mention...
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Re: High Academic minimum requirements

Goosegg ·
Re: if S gets in will he be ok academically. The highest of HAs graduate something like 92+% of their class IN FOUR YEARS and 96+% in six years. Those numbers tell the story; compare those numbers to lower academic tier colleges. If a kid is good enough to have the academics and scores while developing his baseball skills to the highest level, he has earned his slot in an incoming class - by proving his devotion to an EC AND succeeding in academics. (As virtually every other kid.) The Ivies...
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Re: High Academic minimum requirements

Backstop22 ·
Re Chico's question about the deadlines, yes my 2017 got a few of those exploding offers from D3s when he was being considered as a catcher (he was a two-way and wound up as a PO in college). One coach was pretty honest about it and did not do the really hard sell--just said he only had room to add one catcher so if one of them goes Early Decision, they would have the slot. Then my son could be considered among the pitchers. I get that--a team can only have so many catchers. But another...
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Re: High Academic minimum requirements

Gov ·
Never heard of a Likely Letter w D3
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Re: High Academic minimum requirements

FourKids ·
My 2019 had pre-reads at 2 NESCAC schools and was not pressured by either coach. He decided by September of senior year.
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Re: High Academic minimum requirements

JABMK ·
Goosegg is spot on! Let face it just like the commercial says " most athletes will become professional is something other than their sport". My son's goal was to leverage his baseball skills into an education that he may not have qualified with just his academic merit. Yes test scores and GPA are the most important but don't underestimate the BA or ERA! When Son went through recruiting he had opportunities at "state U", D1 and D3 HA. He chose D1 academic and all four years he witnessed the...
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Re: High Academic minimum requirements

2boydad ·
My older son college 2019 went HA D3. He was an OF player started looking summer/fall of Sr year. The D3's and NAIA are getting into their serious recruiting of Sr's shortly . He had multiple requests for pre reads from multple HA schools across the country but did not go ED for the simple fact we needed to know how much $ we were going to have to pay above and beyond our college fund before he commited to any school and that info comes out later. We dont qualify for need based aid but live...
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Re: Team Ont, OBJ...etc

BobbleheadDoll ·
I had heard that Oakville was expensive but so is T O Inc and the OBJ is the most expensive. Probably Bullet Proof ($5500) and the Niagara Rebels ($4800) are the cheapest around but that is a long drive. What about Team Toronto ? The cost had esccalated since my son played. Some of the teams will let you wotk out all winter for approx $500. and they will often make an offer to play next season. Also try the T-Birds. They have one of the best workout programs but can also get pricy.
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Re: Senior All-Academic Tryout / Arizona Fall Classic

adbono ·
I would attend the event and explain the circumstances to anybody that expressed interest. IMO he really isn’t committed.
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Re: Senior All-Academic Tryout / Arizona Fall Classic

cabbagedad ·
Same thought... actually, I never fully understood the idea of committing to a D3 school where you are not academically accepted yet. The wise advice always given here is to keep the foot on the pedal until there is a reasonable level of certainty (even then, keep doors and communication lines open). Your description of his status is far from that... "... this is one of those schools that does not have "slots" for athletes. He has to get past admissions, and the school is extremely...
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Re: Senior All-Academic Tryout / Arizona Fall Classic

Twoboys ·
Cabbage Dad just my 2cents but here goes just 1 reason to "commit" -- if a player has multiple offers of admission support for a D3 (even those very few elite hA without slots), they can only ED to one school (true for any ED school whether D1 or D3). You can apply internationally, to military academies I believe and also to state universities. So once the player opts to apply ED to their top choice, they let the other schools know they have made a choice and those other offers tend to go...
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Re: Senior All-Academic Tryout / Arizona Fall Classic

JCG ·
I'm mostly inline with 2Boys, but I can see a tiny bit of wiggle room. First of all you have to apply for the All Academic game tryout, and to submit that with incorrect info would not be an honest choice or fair to other applicants. To Adbono's point, a commitment to a D3 college _is_ a commitment, once the ED app is in. You're signing a contract that says you will attend that school if admitted (absent some limited mitigation circumstances.) But that said, if ED app is not in, and taking...
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Re: Senior All-Academic Tryout / Arizona Fall Classic

cabbagedad ·
Thanks guys, very informative. I learned some things. Still, it seems that this player is not yet to the point where it wouldn't make sense to keep opening doors as backup. And, I'm not sure why the coach at school A would be upset if the acceptance is far from a sure thing.
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Re: Senior All-Academic Tryout / Arizona Fall Classic

MKbaseballdad ·
We use the word "committed" for D3 recruiting but I don't think the players are committed until the school officially accepts them when their ED decisions go out in Dec. Submitting an application ED does not mean the student/player has to withdraw all other applications - that does not have to happen until they are accepted by their ED school (I googled just to be sure). Non-baseball playing students are allowed to submit applications to additional schools as back-up in case they are not...
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Re: Senior All-Academic Tryout / Arizona Fall Classic

PABaseball ·
What would be the point of going and communicating with new schools? To let them know you'd love for them to be a backup option? If he doesn't get in he can always apply to other schools, explain the situation and show up the first day of tryouts. If you're good enough they'll keep you, they don't have scholarship guys to account for. Recruiting means the least at the D3 level, your game determines your role, not so much the commitment you made. That being said, unless travel and all that is...
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Re: Senior All-Academic Tryout / Arizona Fall Classic

cabbagedad ·
I am again probably showing my relative ignorance with D3 as I certainly have more direct experience with the other levels. Still, I have had a fair number of players from our program end up going D3. Most of those players still considered baseball to be a very big part of the equation. Again, the OP says acceptance is far from a sure thing. With recruiting at other levels, coaches generally would be more than happy to take a drop down should things not work out at the player's first choice.
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Re: Senior All-Academic Tryout / Arizona Fall Classic

anotherparent ·
So the real question is, did your son have more options before he committed to this one school for ED? And if so, what were those options? With extremely selective schools, ED is almost a necessity for admission (and even then doesn't always work); so, backups need either to be schools with ED2 where coaches can give support, or schools where he could be admitted RD without official coach support. Only you know if such schools are out there. At that point it will depend on how good his...
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Re: Senior All-Academic Tryout / Arizona Fall Classic

smokeminside ·
Keep your foot on the gas. Did your son go the classic and academic game as a junior? Then you know that that tryout is a meat market, and the senior event may be even more crowded. If you're worried about your son being accepted ED, then go. A coach at a school with no slots will understand your concern. I'd also let other coaches know your kid is gonna be there. Maybe he lights it up and some other school he actually likes takes a shine to him and piques his interest. People have the right...
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Re: Senior All-Academic Tryout / Arizona Fall Classic

fenwaysouth ·
You've submitted a pre-read in good faith. Your son will be submitting an ED application in good faith, yet there are no guarantees by admissions or the coach your son will be admitted. The risk is all on your son, and for this reason I would attend the showcase for the purposes of possible RD application to another school. You are dealing with a process where the outcomes are not always positive. My son kept in communication with some schools after he committed and applied ED to a D1 HA...
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Re: Senior All-Academic Tryout / Arizona Fall Classic

fishnsail ·
I think it is better to keep all options open , as you never know what can transpire. Especially if you are close to the event. It is a cool event. We had "almost" commited last year at this time but still went. My son wanted to keep his options open. He made the academic game(pitcher) last year after being extremely dissapointed as a junior and not making it. If you make the all academic game there are a lot of HA D3 schools as well as D2 and many D1. We had a lot of contacts at the event...
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Re: When a player's age does not match the average for their grad year

cabbagedad ·
Welcome to the site. Son was quite a bit younger. If you think about it, half of the kids trying to be recruited are younger than the average . Once you are shooting for college ball, you must be a very good player, regardless of whether younger or older than others in your class. He would be best advised to completely ignore that issue. The college recruiters don't care and neither should he. He is either a player or he isn't. He will either continue to work as hard as he can toward...
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Re: When a player's age does not match the average for their grad year

2022NYC ·
My kid is a very young 2022. He uses his age as fuel to work harder. The college coaches he interacted with did not care about his age. There was a microsecond consideration to repeat 8th grade on his part, but once he was accepted to his preferred HS, that was a dead issue (mom would not have allowed him to repeat 8th grade). From a purely selfish perspective, my wife is annoyed he won't be able to drive himself to HS school, so she is his morning uber as it is on the way to her work.
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Re: When a player's age does not match the average for their grad year

RJM ·
Thinking about age is a waste of time. It can only become an excuse. My son has a May birthday. He was also a physical late bloomer. Through high school he competed against some athletes in his class who were more than a year older. The summer after 7th grade he started playing travel ball grade appropriate rather than his age group. Starting with post freshman summer he played up another year. If a kid is young and you want to change the situation 8th grade should be repeated before high...
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Re: When a player's age does not match the average for their grad year

Gunner Mack Jr. ·
So I took my son to a new pitching coach a few years ago, a D1 pitching coach. Great guy, motivator etc. He's talking to both of us on our first visit and I mention my son is young for his grade (September b-day - most 2020's on his travel team are a full year + older). The guy gently ripped me apart (i was paying so I didn't get it full force). He said he only cares about whether a kid can compete and that fathers of kids who are young for their grade almost always tell him that fact. So I...
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Re: When a player's age does not match the average for their grad year

atlnon ·
My son is in the same boat. Late Sept bday. My wife and I moved him up a year entering grade school as we see that he can handle it academically and emotionally (and he is doing well as a freshman right now). We didn't even think about sports at that time, nor were we aware that people are doing the opposite (repeating a grade). So he has classmates that are 2 years older than he is right now. He is playing travel with his age group (not with his grade). I do find myself letting people know...
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Re: When a player's age does not match the average for their grad year

Wechson ·
I'm going to go against the grain here and say it can absolutely make a difference. My oldest son, non baseball, ended up in D1 athletics but got a bite from just one school. If he had taken a year, there is little doubt he would have been a state placer or champion given the year progression he made in skill level, physical maturity, and mental maturity. That would have given him more suitors, and provided him with more choices. Not only was he a year younger, but he was a late bloomer...
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Re: When a player's age does not match the average for their grad year

BishopLeftiesDad ·
My son had a early Sept birthday. Most kids in the class behind him were a year older. You guessed it they all started a year later. One year we had him play with his age instead of his grade in the Fall. And while it was fun for him, it really did not help that much. I would have rather he played with his grade, looking back and face tougher competition. Played with his grade or up the rest of his HS/Travel Career. So much can happen from 8th grade to graduation. Plus I cannot imagine...
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Re: When a player's age does not match the average for their grad year

cabbagedad ·
Wech, no one is saying it can't make a difference. Most could argue that it would. But I don't think that was the OP's question and he doesn't say anything about possibly holding back a year. The points being made are.. 1. Once you are in the recruiting process, don't allow it to be an excuse. Every player will face many hurdles to jump. Will the player attack and fly over them or hesitate and get hung up? 2. Recruiters don't care. You either have the skill set they are looking for when they...
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Re: When a player's age does not match the average for their grad year

Wechson ·
TOTALLY agree on point 1. No excuses ever, in sport or life. Would never bring that up at any point if I were an athlete or parent. For point 2, it only matters to recruiters in that they are seeing most likely a more physically mature athlete, which only helps them project. Walking my initial point back a bit, if I were to really have the chance to so it again I would have done it when he started school, not between middle school and HS. We debated it for a millisecond but elected against...
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Re: When a player's age does not match the average for their grad year

cabbagedad ·
Yup, and agree I over-generalized on #2... that can be a factor.
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Re: When a player's age does not match the average for their grad year

atlnon ·
To OP's original question though, do recruiters take the possibility that the kid is not physically as mature as other kids in his grade into consideration? For example, in looking at PG grades, they compare your metrics with other people in your grade, some of which could be 2 years older.
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Re: When a player's age does not match the average for their grad year

Go44dad ·
It's individual to the recruiter/prospect. Here's another answer. Scout "Son, how tall are you?" Player "5'11" Scout "Nobody is 5'11". If I like you, you are 6'0". If I don't like you, you are 5'10"."
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Re: When a player's age does not match the average for their grad year

Wechson ·
Bingo, exactly! It's all in the eye of the beholder. If you are skinny, and the RC doesn't like you, then you are deemed "undersized". If you are skinny and the RC takes a shine to you, then you are "projectable, with plenty of room to fill out".
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Re: When a player's age does not match the average for their grad year

atlnon ·
Thanks! That's exactly the insight I'm looking for. And yes, my son is not only studying up a grade, but he is undersized even compared to people his age.
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Re: To throw or not to throw

BobbleheadDoll ·
In our area the development of elite teams and winter programs was to as best as possible get our players to a level they could compete with the warm climate players. We have over 700 players playing US ball and I would suggest that without our winter programs we would have a lot less. Our AAA city teams played until labor day and did not start up until may. No winter programs. The coaches knew that they needed more and developed the elit teams and all year programs. It worked.
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Re: Academic Showcase - June 23-24 in Washington DC Area

BucsFan ·
Well done. Sounds like a terrific event and one that can grow and grow into something special. Nice touch with the combo of (1) video and (2) coach's evaluations.
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Re: Academic Showcase - June 23-24 in Washington DC Area

Gov ·
Well done. With your offering and price point well worth it. We'll consider this, and I'm more than happy to pass it along to other club members.
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Re: Academic Showcase - June 23-24 in Washington DC Area

redbird5 ·
Add Navy and Holy Cross...with more Ivies are adjusting schedules to get here. If I am a smart player, why would I wait to get in front of these coaches? Also, why would I want to go to a camp with 250+ kids, when I can go to a more intimate setting? We will also have a panel of college coaches to discuss recruiting.
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Re: Academic Showcase - June 23-24 in Washington DC Area

Gov ·
RedB.., What about Georgetown? Obviously in your back yard...
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Re: Academic Showcase - June 23-24 in Washington DC Area

redbird5 ·
Gov, Georgetown has been to our fall events and I fully anticipate they will be at the Academic event as well. We are not done adding coaches by any means. I expect 30-40 coaches at our event.
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Re: Academic Showcase - June 23-24 in Washington DC Area

Twoboys ·
It sounds perfect for our high academic 2017, and so nice it will be in DC. For us, the timing may not work as the Diamond Nation 17U tournament is that same weekend (tourney is 6/19-6/24), and that is a tournament that normally pulls in quite a few high academic coaches as well. And sadly it is on our schedule for the summer. It will be another case of, you can't do both.
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Re: Academic Showcase - June 23-24 in Washington DC Area

redbird5 ·
Excited to announce our Academic Showcase will be held at DeMatha HS's field in Riverdale, MD. Details at coastalvabaseball.com
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Re: Academic Showcase - June 23-24 in Washington DC Area

redbird5 ·
Add Duke to the list!
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Re: Academic Showcase - June 23-24 in Washington DC Area

MKbaseballdad ·
I actually think you most likely could do both - the Diamond Nation Tourney the 19th-22nd and then the showcase the 23rd/24th. It would depend on when the Diamond Nation games were and if the team you are playing for is strong enough that you'd think you'd be in the last few games (semis and final) as that would be one way you'd be assured that your team is at Diamond Nation (on their fields) and in front of a majority of the scouts in attendance. I happened to look back at this thread and...
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Re: Academic Showcase - June 23-24 in Washington DC Area

redbird5 ·
We would love to have you. Registrations are coming in and we haven't really advertised it.
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Re: Too late for elite academic recruiting for 2016 grad?

fenwaysouth ·
In summary, the answers to your Ivy questions are that he would have to walk-on after being admitted. The time for your son to receive athletic sponsorship and support from the Coach is past unless there are extenuating circumstances. He would have to apply (late), be admitted (late) and walk-on which is not going to be easy since the Regular Decision deadline was early Jan 2016. If he has been accepted and the D3 coach wants him & supported him through high academic admissions why are...
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Re: Too late for elite academic recruiting for 2016 grad?

RJM ·
A few years ago a friend's son blossomed his senior year. His high school team was loaded. He didn't get on the mound until senior year. He absolutely dominated. All the local D1s expressed interest. One was an Ivy. The dad had attended the Ivy for undergrad and law school. He couldn't manage any pull. The kid was told he had to get accepted outside baseball. He didn't. He ended up pitching in the A10. By senior year roster spots are typically filled. At an academically elite school the...
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Re: Too late for elite academic recruiting for 2016 grad?

JCG ·
DaddyO just so you know, Fenway is the guy here. Even though I know much less than he's forgotten I'll wade into say 2 things. One, I think your son missed the boat. If he wants to play baseball at a top academic D1 I think his best option is to take a gap year and work in getting recruited for next year at Ivies, Patriot league schools, etc. With his academics, worst case scenario is that he has to go through the trouble of re-applying to the UC's and others again. Two, sometimes you get...
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Re: Too late for elite academic recruiting for 2016 grad?

daddyO ·
His thoughts were that he didn't cast as big of a net as he should have, but the reality is that he was a borderline prospect 9 months ago who did not attend the camps that would have gotten him a look, and if he had he still would have not been the prospect he is now. He's applied to a few D3 schools with support, and has been honest with the coaches in that he is considering multiple schools. I'd figured the ship had sailed for the Ivy League, but was probably more interested in late...
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Re: Too late for elite academic recruiting for 2016 grad?

keewart ·
" He's also been admitted to several D1 schools that offered no support in admissions but are giving him the basic "you can walk on" email." Most of the D1s have locked up their recruiting and spent the available scholarship dollars at this point for the 2016s and probably most 2017s, too. However, there are ~7+ players on each team that are not getting athletic scholarship dollars, and are vying for a spot. If your son gets his pitching numbers up, there could be an opportunity. Many D3s...
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