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fenwaysouth ·
I like the nature of the question. But I think it should have been reworded: For those that had the opportunity to commit early (prior to junior year)..... How many committed early, and are extremely happy they did so? How many committed later and are extremely happy they did so? The pros and cons are a personal thing and unique to each recruit. It is about outcomes. JMO.
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Old timer ·
You comment on 4 yr deals . What is the difference with the regular commitments
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cabbagedad ·
The NCAA approved, I believe in 2011, a rules change that allowed schools to offer multi-year scholarships. Traditionally, scholarships are considered year-to-year and are reviewed and often changed or retracted at that time. I am a bit unclear as to what extent D1 baseball programs have put this into effect. Others can address that better than I. You can also search that topic here. It would be interesting to hear from others what is happening recently on that front.
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Go44dad ·
Heard from an RC of a pretty decent D1 that his recruiting target in out years is generally 6 full time equivalent scholarships per grad class. Higher than I thought. He said attrition usually gave them enough room to commit 6 full time equivalents.
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TPM ·
Attrition or release does give them that money every year. All programs are different, some coaches spend all of their money on pitchers, some give more to offense.
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MidAtlanticDad ·
Some numbers from a recent Division I SAAC Early Recruiting Survey. http://www.ncaa.org/about/reso...search?sf122433248=1
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BackstopDad32 ·
Great graphic. Son committed first day of junior year of HS. He dodged the HC interviewing or named in several jobs and HC turned down at least one job and likely two. He didn’t dodge the PC leaving 11 days before signing day his senior year. All has worked out fine but talk about anxious times
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old_school ·
Somewhere I referenced a local kid, no names, I knew who had committed to a perennial top 10 / WS regular in August prior to 10th grade. I said he was very talented, lazy and exactly not what every college baseball person said you needed to be....fast forward to September of 2017 and lo and he behold he has "decided" to "reopen" his recruiting process. I don't know the details and have no interest in finding them out, at some point I am sure I will hear the truth, but it really sucks for...
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fenwaysouth ·
It also could have been avoided if the parent(s) and kid did their recruiting research and due diligence. Caveat emptor. Responsibility starts in the mirror. I've seen this story before and it is a bad situation. There is a lot of blame, but I'm sorry it has to start with the recruit and his family.
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Iowamom23 ·
Couldn't it also have been avoided if the kid did the work he needed to do?
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old_school ·
yes to both of your comments, that was part of my point. The kid and his parents never should have put him there, he is not a top student and never was. The school is pretty highly ranked academically and he never should have looked at by the coach. And to top it off the kid never had a good attitude, he was always a selfish player. He is / was a hell of a player...and ultimately that was about the only thing anyone seemed to care about or at least so it seems.
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fenwaysouth ·
Old-School, As I stated earlier I've seen these situations before. Hopefully the recruit and family learned something, were slightly humbled by it, and can move on. Many times another school will learn of the situation and give the kid an opportunity because of his skill set. It isn't the end of the world. Possibly the worst thing would have been for the kid to go to his original school, struggle academically, lose a year of eligibility, and be put in a difficult transfer situation. Because...
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gunner34 ·
ive mentioned it before but I know a kid that commited to top 1 or 2 SEC school after freshman yr, was 6"5 220 he threw 20 pitches in game all over 90 mph hit 93 but only threw 4 strikes. Now after pretty good high school career, pitched no hitter in state championship last summer but did seem to wilt a lot at big PG events SEC school advised him to look around and he finally decommited. Recently got offer from top 1 or 2 team in big 12, with a lot better academic reputation as well so I...
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Silence Dogood ·
The college programs have ALL the leverage in the current recruiting process - save for multiple schools recruiting a kid. Once the kid commits...well, it's a one-way commitment. My 2018 could tell some tales.
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hshuler ·
Congrats and best wishes!
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Wesleythecacther ·
Thank you!
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cabbagedad ·
Awesome, congratulations!! JC can be a great route. Pay close attention to class transfer situations. That can be the biggest drawback if you are not careful, sometimes even if you are.
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JCG ·
Great news! Good luck.
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MidAtlanticDad ·
Congratulations, Wesley. For many students, JuCo offers some real advantages. Here are some highlights: less expensive, more baseball games and practices, more turnover (more opportunities to prove yourself), and lower admissions standards. I have three pieces of advice for you. First, start planning for your junior year transfer today. Have a realistic idea about where you might transfer to, and understand the transfer rules for those schools. Second, find out where their recent graduates...
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2forU ·
Congrats and keep working hard, especially the books!
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Wesleythecacther ·
Thank you. I will start planning ahead of time for Junior year. I will look into where most recent grads went. Last Fall the coach said they have at most 40 guys try out, he keeps it at that and for the spring keeps 26 guys on the roster.
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COLefty ·
Congrats on the commitment! I’m no expert on the Juco experience, but my son just finished his first semester at a top Juco baseball school. He is in the middle of a 4-2-4 Transfer. He has signed an NLI to return to a D1 Program this fall. Over the holidays, we had a chance to talk a lot about his Juco experience. Here are my takeaways on his observations: Overall, he (and I) are very pleased with the experience. He is glad he made the jump … The Juco program delivered on exactly what they...
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Grindneverstop ·
Congratulations and keep grinding!!!
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Wesleythecacther ·
Thank you for the reply! The JuCo program that your son attends sounds very good. What is most important to him, the D1 exposure and MLB Scouts exposure is also important to me. As for the recruiting for transfer for junior and senior year, academics are important and I am on top of it, have Mid Terms right now, took a break from studying to reply. As for scholarship, I have not gotten anything from the JuCo, but I will be looking into it when I transfer. As for the dorms, the JuCo I am...
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FoxDad ·
You may want to contact the coach to see if he might have some other players you can room with. My son went the JuCo route and the coach was good about pairing up players who needed off campus housing. The JuCo my son attended did not have any campus housing (very few do) but they did have good relations with several apartment complexes in the area. Colefty gave some very good advise concerning transfer credits and the general baseball life at a JuCo. My son was busy in the fall from the...
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Teaching Elder ·
What COLEFTY said about academics is very important. If you can maintain a 4.0 or so, many 4 year schools have very good academic transfer scholarships. These, shouldn't count against what ever monies you get for athletics.
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Re: 2019 prospect getting anxious without solid offers yet

ILVBB ·
The number of kids that get "recruited" relative to the entire population of kids playing ball is small. I would be spending my time targeting schools where your son is an academic, social and financial fit where he might be able to play baseball. Start spending your time learning about schools where your son will get a good education, grow as a person and if all works out can play baseball. Until you get out and about, introduce your son to what opportunities exists (I would strongly...
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FriarFred ·
I may be reading this wrong, but it doesn't sound like your son has been very pro active in reaching out to schools, emailing coaches, sending out videos, basically marketing himself to schools. Those numbers sound really good, but if you are not getting that information to targeted coaches, then it doesn't matter. I would suggest that you both sit down and come up with a list of 30-50 schools of all levels that are a good fit baseball wise and academically as well and reach out to those...
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fenwaysouth ·
JohnnyBaseballog, Thanks for posting. So, I think your son's sights and your expectations maybe a little high based on your post. Most top 30 D1 programs have speedier centerfielders (sub 6.5) , so it may be that they did not look at him in that context. Your son may be a better fit somewhere other than a top 30 D1 program. Where, I don't know. But I think you and your son need to target some more appropriate schools as ILVBB suggests. I would not "chill out", I would get on this...
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BackstopDad32 ·
I will take a bit of a different approach and talk about what it takes to be a CF at a top 30 program. If that is your son’s current and realistic 60 time that unfortunately will not make the footspeed grade at that level from what I have seen. All 3 OFs at son’s school are pretty solidly sub 7.0 and All American CF is sub 6.5. Son’s best friend played a lot of CF for UT last year. He is 6.4-6.5 guy. Their entire OF at UT is projected to be 6.5ish guys. Your son’s other metrics would all get...
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JohnnyBaseballOG ·
Really appreciate all the feedback I've received. Should have mentioned we have done the NCSA recruiting site, my son's contacted a ton of coaches, even has some of their personal phone numbers. What I'm gathering from all of you so far is that yes we do need to act and narrow down a realistic list, and that unless the 60 time goes sub-7.00, the top schools won't be looking at him as a CF, right? Again, this has been so helpful so thanks for all of your time, and would love to hear more!
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old_school ·
Do some research on the Patriot league and see if there would be interest from your son, from what you posted they may be a very nice fit.
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cabbagedad ·
The two-way notion (CF/P) is extremely unlikely with top 30 programs, even if he has all the desirable qualifications for each. Top 30 programs are able to attract plenty of those types of 2-ways but almost always, they ultimately choose one or the other best direction for the player based on how they see him best helping the program. If he really feels strongly about being a 2-way, he should aim at lower levels who would be more welcoming of a drop-down that wants to do both.
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BackstopDad32 ·
Yes forgot to address this. Agree with Cabbagedad. Two ways at that level are pretty rare. Son’s school will have one this year and had one recently that was very successful. Interesting that they were both juco transfers and had shown they could two way at strong juco programs. Son entered as a freshman with one who even made a few starts in the field last year as well as being our Friday night guy. He gave up hitting halfway through season. Told me it was just too hard to be good at both...
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JCG ·
Agree with getting in front of Patriot League. If I was in your area I'd also try to get in front of Atlantic 10 coaches. Some really good schools in that conference. Good luck! At the risk of thread drift -- aren't there more 2-way guys of late? Just looking at D1 preseason AA team and there are 3 guys that I know of on that list who played a position and pitched last year, 2 of the 3 pitched a lot.
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Gov ·
Great feedback for you thus far. SAT score and footspeed: You said your son had a 1210 SAT on his first try? That's equivalent to a 26-27 on the ACT, decent start, don't give up, I'd suggest getting a tutor to help yield more points. Reference: Duke requires a 26 ACT so he's fine for top D1's, but extra points will help, especially, if he reroutes toward the Patriot or Ivy Leagues. You never know. Concur with the footspeed, get in a speed program and get that down. Even at Ivy D1's, their...
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Buckeye 2015 ·
7+ 60 time and an 87 mph RHP would fit will at my son's mid-major. Most of the guys are closer to 90 by the time they get to college, but he seems to be on his way to that. As others have said...not a lot of 2 ways guys, and unfortunately at this point, your son's numbers likely aren't Top 30 at either position....but again, should be enough to get him some D1 noticed. Keep putting him in front of as many coaches as you can by email/video now (college season has started)....and get him to...
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adbono ·
Agree with all of the above. If I were in your shoes I would pursue A10, Patriot League and Colonial Athletic Conference schools. I would also develop a plan for high academic D3 schools. Look into a company called Play to Win if you decide to focus on D3 academic schools. Try to get an invite to Area Code tryouts in your area. This will require the endorsement of a MLB scout so figure out how to make that connection. Above all you need someone with credibility in the baseball world to...
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Gov ·
First time I've heard of "Play to Win"...
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Buckeye 2015 ·
Me too....just checked it out....no fee listing....which tells me it's going to be pricey. There's nothing that any recruiting/scouting service can do for you that you can't do for ALOT less money and get just as much or better results.
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RJM ·
Your son needs to get way below a 6.9 sixty to play centerfield at a D1. The top thirty program boat has probably sailed. Except for coming up with an open roster spot due to the draft (recruit signing rather than going to college) there probably won’t be any spots. He also needs to decide if he’s an outfielder or a pitcher. Few players do both in college. It’s a lot of work. 87 is an adequate velocity for a mid major. 6.8 could probably put him in a corner outfield position. Don’t rule out...
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adbono ·
I would normally agree with that statement, but in this case I don’t. Play to Win is a little pricey, but they can do things that you can’t. Or maybe I should say, they are more effective with the things they do than you will be. I have seen the results myself. If high academic D3 is your target, and spending a few grand is not a problem, they are a good bet to get you where you want to go. Assuming you can play, and have the requisite academic track record.
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JCG ·
If a kid with the OP's measurables and grades attends a Headfirst Camp and plays really well, he'll have a whole bunch of D3 opportunities, for less money, especially if he can up those test scores a bit. ... tho it doesn't sound like this family is ready to look at D3 quite yet.
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Goosegg ·
What are your son's career goals? (Recognizing it will change. ) What is your financial ability to pay for college? (How are you looking to leverage baseball?) What type of college setting (e.g., urban, rural, big, little, warm cool, etc.) suits him? Can he hit?
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BOF ·
Good advice so far. Reality check - he is not going to two way at a top 30 program and as others have pointed out he should expand the net he is casting. That said don't give up on the two/way if he wants as you never know. This was was 6 years ago but my son had similar stats to yours except his academics were higher and he ended up a national champ D3 and did actually play two way his freshmen year, went hitter only in Soph, and the start of Jr yr, got injured and switched to pitching the...
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letsgo!!! ·
You've mentioned he's had a few nibbles, unofficial visits, etc. What type of feedback is he getting from coache's that he has spoken to? Did they indicate they see him as a potential 2way and did you get a sense as to where/how they think he would fit in their program. Are your travel coaches in a position to give you feedback on where they see your son. I would try to get as much candid feedback from folks who have seen him play as possible. What you hear may ultimatley help you determine...
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JohnnyBaseballOG ·
Wow! From scanning this board I knew I would get at least decent replies, never expected the overwhelming encouragement and outstanding advice I've seen in this thread. To all of you, thank you so much, you truly helped clarify the next direction we should take with our son and his hopes to play college baseball. I wish all of you luck, and from the bottom of this dad's heart, thanks!
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SomeBaseballDad ·
Those numbers you posted at .220 and a ERA of 4.3 are one thing. At .435 w/10 hr's and a 1.2 ERA are another. Your sons numbers with the later averages were close to what my son had in HS and he's at a power 5 as a two way (at least for the moment). Now that's at 1st base, not OF. If he does play OF next year as a sophomore it will be a corner. I'm kind of surprised no one has mentioned juco. It seems my kid has found a home but at times I've regretted not giving that route a closer look.
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fly996 ·
6'2" 195 pounds and top fastball is 87 . Based on that, I'd say he has the size and projects to pitch at the next level. I'd focus dedicated training and all efforts in that direction as every team is interested in pitching versus another outfielder. If he can get to 89-90 by the summer with FB command and a couple of other pitches he should be in real good shape. Does he have a pitching coach?
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