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Re: 2019 prospect getting anxious without solid offers yet

gunner34 ·
top 30 programs have a bunch of 87 guys, I know they have 95 guys also. But I see a lot of guys committed to big 12 and SEC schools whose top velocity is listed as 87-88 right now. and if he's 2019 I could see that pushing up to 90 with some work
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rynoattack ·
BOF has it correctly above, when he says that it takes coaching support. Some PC's are not down with their ace pitchers playing both ways, and it requires a lot of support from the staff. Generally the pitchers are having their practice at the same time as the position players. The staff needs to be flexible to make sure the kid is able to get his work in on both sides. Not to mention, school is WAY harder than you can imagine, if he takes a real degree. It has been an eye opener for Ryno...
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JohnnyBaseballOG ·
To answer a few additional questions, yes he is an excellent hitter, set his high school record for hits in a single season last year. He is definitely a power hitter and is looking to load up on HRs, 2Bs and 3Bs this season. He is also an exceptional base runner, which protects him somewhat from being walked too much. As for pitching, he's always had great velocity but some control problems that he resolved about a year ago. While he has always had a love/hate relationship with pitching,...
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Re: 2019 prospect getting anxious without solid offers yet

RJM ·
Don’t think about 2B, 3B and HR’s. It’s an avenue to a slump. Only think in terms of driving the ball from gap to gap and let the chips fall where they may. College coaches see potential. Players usually get stronger in a college workout program. It’s not uncommon for a college player to develop more power soph year of college. Being an excellent base runner doesn’t cover up his sixty time. In high school college prospects are often playing against a lot players they just don’t fear. In...
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Goosegg ·
While the general "rule" is not to have two way players, there are individual exceptions and even coaches who love two way players. On S's college team over the years there were three two way players; two are now playing at the MLB level - one as a SP, the other as a 1B. (The league was in the bottom half of D1.) The SP was touching mid-90s and was also the starting college SS; the 1B touched 90 and also started at 1B. Both were first team league players; one was POY (and probably the best...
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Re: 2019 prospect getting anxious without solid offers yet

gunner34 ·
7.03 is pretty good, has he spent anytime with a track coach working on his form, start etc. I just saw a track guru with my son and he shaved .20 off his time in the first session. Just fixing his start and the way he was using his arms.
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Re: 2019 prospect getting anxious without solid offers yet

Suds ·
if I had to do it over again for my 1st one, JUCO would have been the route right away. His numbers were almost identical to your son's. (87/88 of the mound) He had sniffs from mid-level D1 and some IVY, but in the end "settled" for a D2 without doing his homework on fit as a student. He hated it and went to JUCO for year 2 where he matured physically and mentally. He is now a D1 that should do well in the regionals this year. As far as 2 way, it is unbelievably hard. Best kid here in AZ my...
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2019Dad ·
JohhnyBaseball, one thing you might want to do is spend a couple hours on the PG site, looking at the recruited outfielders at your son's target schools. There will be wide variation within D1. When you look at the data, you will see some schools who recruit outfielders who run 6.8 or 6.9 or even 7.0 as juniors in high school (which doesn't mean that they aren't 6.7 or 6.6 in college, but at this point you are focused on getting recruited). I have done this kind of legwork for pitching, but...
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2019Dad ·
JohnnyBaseball, and for the pitching velocity data, here is a thread, focused on velocity posted as a high school rising senior or senior fall: http://community.hsbaseballweb...r-at-certain-schools Velocity isn't the only variable (size/projectability, offspeed, command, mound presence, etc., etc.) but it is important and it is easily quantifiable.
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SomeBaseballDad ·
https://www.google.com/amp/s/w...players/%3famphtml=1 The kid plays for Darin.
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Trust In Him ·
Agree with all the above. Will add some stuff to ponder. My son only desire was to play D1. In hs he received numerous accolades by the time he graduated. His fit was mid D1 schools. He didn't even consider (nor they consider him) top 30 schools. He ended up at a very good academic D1 school with a good baseball program (they made it to WS a few years earlier but were eliminated). It was at this mid D1 school he had the opportunity to play every day and show his talent. If your son's desires...
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Re: Verbal Commitment...what does that mean?

TPM ·
They committed to play for that program, but not " official" until they sign their NLI, National Letter of Intent. An unofficial visit is when a recruit pays for his expenses while on a visit. An official is where the recruits expenses are paid for by the program, usually, these days not until after he signs this NLI.
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fenwaysouth ·
Coach_TV, Tip.....Grab a tablet and read this NCAA document cover to cover while you are watching the start of the MLB season with your favorite team on your favorite large screen TV. Everything you need to know to get started is here. http://www.ncaapublications.co...downloads/CBSA18.pdf This college bound parent 101 document will answer your questions from an NCAA perspective including all the lingo and jargon on page 30 . There is a lot to know and this is an easy read. The tough stuff...
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CaCO3Girl ·
In laments terms, it means the coach at XYZ has given an offer to a kid to come play baseball at their college. Nothing is in writing and nothing is official until they sign the NLI as TPM said. In this 1-4 year gap the player may not improve like the coach thought, the coach might leave and the new guy doesn't honor the agreement, the kid can just give up baseball without a penalty, etc...in other words a million things could happen. The further out from graduation the kid is, the more...
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FFXfireman ·
One thing to keep in mind about verbal commitments is that it is seldom known outside the kid and parent what the “offer” they were given by the school was prior to committing. It’s easy for me to say now, with a 2018 that has his NLI signed for a great school with a good financial package, but don’t get hung up on freshman and sophomores with verbal commitments. You aren’t being left behind. Enjoy watching the boy play ball and support and help him where you can and where appropriate. These...
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Goosegg ·
Coach, this subject has come up frequently. I'd suggest a message board search would bring you the info (risks, rewards, minefields) you need to develop your understanding.
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Picked Off ·
Official visits (paid by school) can only happen after first day of senior year begins. Unofficial visit (unpaid) can happen anytime. NLI early signing is in early part of November senior year of HS. A NLI is only signed when athletic $$ are offered via a financial agreement.
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Coach_TV ·
This was spot on... Thank you for sharing and it was exactly what I was looking for. Thank you!!
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Re: Early Commitments at Son's Dream School

1. All commitments are self-reported. That said, there are often classes that show kids as committed who never show up on their rosters. Some get drafted, some don’t pan out before fall of freshman year...lots of reasons. 2. My opinion, yes and no. If they are that deep into their 2022 class the these are guys they wanted to lock up. Most schools will be looking at players (especially pitchers) until summer after their Junior year. 3. See #2 above 4. There are ways around everything and a...
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Re: Early Commitments at Son's Dream School

Kimb27 ·
I agree wholeheartedly with the above. My son had many dream schools throughout the process. For various reasons, they fell off at various times throughout the process. 1. Mostly, he was never going to be "good" enough to be chosen and even if he was, probably wouldn't play. And these are usually the schools with a nearly full class by the time your kid is a sophomore. Sometimes, the coach just turned out to be an ass, someone he couldn't see playing for. 2. A school/coach will find your son...
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Re: Early Commitments at Son's Dream School

PABaseball ·
Is he even good enough to play at this school? None of those questions matter right now if he isn't good enough to play there. Will he need to rely on decommits/draft, will he have to commit his sophomore year... those questions imply that he is somebody that can definitely play there. I would assume if he were good enough to play at a school of this caliber, people would be telling you already and he would be getting approached by top travel programs to come play with them. I would guess...
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Dominik85 ·
How good is he? What are his measurables?
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PABaseball ·
As for questions... 1. Yes it's true, or very close to being true at least. The commitments are self reported but are probably closer to 100% than 90% accurate. Since they are self reported, there are plenty of kids who never bother to add the commitment meaning there are probably another one or two commits not listed. At 2019s P5, there are 10 listed on PG when 13 signed. 2. No he hasn't missed the boat but the coaches have what they expect to be the meat of their class - the studs. They're...
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Re: Early Commitments at Son's Dream School

keewart ·
Is he expected to be a pitcher only? Pitchers have a bit of time....if your LHP can/will throw 90+ he won't have any problem finding a P5 home. There is always room for very good pitchers. They could even invite him to walk on....then they could just throw out the dead weight from another class. "You want to go where you can play". <<<<<< This, every time. Does your son have the measurables of the other commits at his dream school?
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WBFLife ·
Some touched on this already, but I would caution him against being too "stuck" on this dream school. My son had a dream school - dad's alma mater. When it really came down to it, he realized his dream school was not the right fit for him. Lots of factors played into this realization - money (out of state) was a big one. I also think that after visiting campus and being at a camp, the "vibe" from the program and the school was just not him. Hard to explain, but I told him he would just get a...
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Re: Early Commitments at Son's Dream School

adbono ·
I will begin by saying that this is probably not going to be a popular post. But as I told RJM, my posts are not about trying to generate “likes.” I attempt to speak the truth. And the truth is that the overwhelming majority of parents that have players in the 12 - 16 year old age range are delusional about the potential for their sons to play D1 P5 baseball. The statistical odds are incredibly remote. Somewhere between 6% & 7% of all HS players advance to play college baseball at ANY...
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Re: Early Commitments at Son's Dream School

Iowamom23 ·
We didn't really identify a dream school going into recruiting. Now that he's there, it's his dream school. But in support of a couple of previous posts — he's a pitcher who blossomed as a junior and senior and committed in fall of his senior year, after a couple of people who committed early on decommitted, at least one after he and coaches "mutually decided it was no longer a good fit" — which I translated to "he stopped working." Adbono is right — try to get realistic about what level...
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PitchingFan ·
So this P5 only recruits 11/12 players every year? That seems low. If your son has shown that he is a legitimate P5 LHP, 86 top velo and 82-84 as a sophomore which you stated previously, then he needs to contact his dream school and let them know immediately. I would say that if he has the numbers they would probably jump on it quickly. Just know that most will not commit until their summer before junior year or junior year unless it is a handful of P5 schools like Vandy where the LHP number...
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fenwaysouth ·
Dreams are a good. "If you don't have dreams, you have nightmares"..... was a frequently used phrase in my house when my kids were looking at colleges. I think it is great your son is thinking big. I also think underclassmen get caught up in the hype, branding and marketing that goes on in college basketball and football. College and college baseball is a VAST universe of options that need to be explored to know what is possible. Keep pursuing the dream school, but also begin pursuing other...
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BaseballFan1965 ·
It is nice to have a "dream school" but your son needs to identify what he is looking for in a school and baseball program. Then see where he fits and what schools are a fit for him. Look at the churn on college rosters. There are lots of reasons for churn, but look at a P5 roster over the years and see how few players provide any substantial contribution, the number that move on, etc... I am aware of a number of players from my area that were really good HS players who went to P5 schools.
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PitchingFan ·
I read on here all the time the turnover in D1 baseball. I began to look back at the guys who played with my sons that we knew personally playing travel ball. There are at least 50 kids on this list that went D1. There are only about 5 that started at a D1 and ended up somewhere else. That is 10%. I consider that a very small number. 1 of those flunked out and never played anywhere. 1 got arrested right before college and then again in his freshman fall so he was sent home and is at juco.
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RJM ·
I know of a Gatorade Player of the Year who headed for a ranked SEC program, hit .157 and was told to transfer to a JuCo. He transferred to an ACC, made all conference and was drafted in the first fifteen rounds. Some players have the talent, don’t perform when called and need a second shot someplace else. Too many players don’t understand the level of competition they’re getting into. They shoot too high and end up on the short end of the competition for positions. A player has to be able...
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K9 ·
Just for giggles I did a quick analysis of the class of 2017 from my state. The top 10 on PBR all committed to P5 schools. Currently 2 are at original school, 2 are in the minors and 6 have transferred.
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I just looked at NCAA reported numbers ( www.ncaa.org/about/resources/r...transfers-division-i ). From 2007-2018 the transfer rate for D1 baseball (all transfers (2-4, 4-4) went down from 27.6% in 2007 23% in 2018, with 2-4 transfer staying fairly static around 20%, while 4-4 transfer reduced from 8.1% to 2.2%. So this is nowhere near the 50% that RJM mentioned, however I also think the data is really not representative of the entire transfer picture. What the data does not show is the...
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RJM ·
My data is from 2010 when my son was going through the process. It came from the NCAA. The verbiage was something to the effect of 50% of baseball players transfer out to somewhere else (any level) to play before junior year. A 4-2-4 would be two transfers. As you mentioned the 27% probably isn’t the complete picture. It’s too drastic of a change. http://www.ncaa.org/about/reso...nt-athlete-transfers “A 2018 study from the National Student Clearinghouse estimates that 39% of all...
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PitchingFan ·
I'm not trying to dispute numbers just going on personal experience. I just don't see the transfers that everyone talks about. To me 20% is not a high number. I bring this up because on almost every thread numerous people will talk about all the kids who don't end up where they started. I just don't see it. I think it is a few but not a lot. I think it will change in the coming years as the openness of the portal begins to be more in play. I'm not happy so I will go somewhere and not have to...
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anotherparent ·
This is where the attrition rates on CBI's datasets can be useful, especially compared with transfers into the program. Some schools have 8 freshmen leave one year, but 0 the next, so clearly it can vary. But some are more consistent in one direction or the other (as was noted for the Ivy League set). Also, those datasets are, I think, based on rostered players. So, "preferred walkons" who might commit on PG but never make a spring roster, may not be being counted.
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Go44dad ·
Whether aggregate transfer rate is 20% or 80%, it’s a real possibility. Competition will be steep. Real question is what is it for your kid, and is he prepared for how tough it will be, and can he handle the “failure” if he transfers? I tell my kid PG lists 22 kids in his class. My son says he’s all in, and tells me to stop worrying about it.
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Goosegg ·
No one chooses a school intending to transfer. One real issue for kids is this: most D1 schools have no time for a player to find his game. The leap from HS to college is in every way (academically, socially, athletically) a huge leap; these power programs dont have time to wait. AND most don't have time (or even ability) to actually develop talent - especially development cases. I will use my son's case as an example. Drafted out of HS throwing over 90 as a LHP, it was expected that he...
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TPM ·
GOOSEGG, Great post. As some know, mine also struggled quite a bit adjusting to the college game. Fortunate for him, he had a great pitching coach who never gave up on him. Also, the ACC was weaker back then, with no roster limits. Back then you had much more of an opportunity to grow up than now. Unless you are a top proven prospect who gave up draft, in the top P5 programs, you don't get much time to prove yourself.
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TPM ·
I agree 100%. I also found it a great resource for players looking to play out of state. If you want to look at a program from the state where I live, you won't find many out of state players in most D1 programs. Again, this is a great resource. Those looking to go to a camp out of state, check out the info on the database, I believe every conference has been listed. If you see that only a select few from out of state have been on the roster for the last few years, is this really a good way...
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PitchingFan ·
I wonder what happens in a situation I heard of yesterday. The P5 team had already had end of fall meetings. Players were told who was kept, cut, and redshirted. Yesterday, a player came in on last day before Christmas break and cleaned out his locker and dorm room. Told coach he was not coming back and he was a kept player. Do you think they go back to one of the redshirt guys and say you have a spot or go try to get someone to help immediately if they did not think the redshirt guy was...
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collegebaseballrecruitingguide ·
Geez, that’s called looking a gift horse in the mouth! I would imagine there is more to the story, I can’t imagine a player who was told he is going to get playing time leaving.
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GloFisher ·
As stated above, Dream schools and "best fit" are often not the same. There are so many factors that go into a decision... baseball program, coaches, number of recruits per class, the competitiveness of the team and league, ability to play, number of transfers each year, campus, food, urban vs. rural, academic rank, academic program availability, far from home, close to home, career planning, student happiness, etc... What is important to your son as a Freshman may not be as important as a...
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FriarFred ·
I think the transfer numbers can be deceiving as stated by several posters above. My sons Connie Mack team had I believe 10 or 11 kids "committed" to a P5 team. 8 or 9 of those kids transferred out at Christmas break with most going JUCO route. Technically they were not yet rostered players. So if a non-rostered player transfers to another school, would he actually be considered a transfer since he wasn't on team? I think this scenario happens more often than not but I am not sure how it is...
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adbono ·
Based on the high rate of roster turnover at the school your son is headed to, and the rampant amount of over recruiting that is also done there, there is plenty to worry about. At a minimum I would suggest a well thought out plan B.
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baseballhs ·
Were most of these guys scholarship players or walk ons?
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FriarFred ·
No idea - I am sure a majority were "recruited" walk-ons but probably no scholly involved.
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baseballhs ·
I ask because I know several P5 scholarship guys this happened to...after one semester. I didn't think that was common but I am not so sure.
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FriarFred ·
My gut tells me that there is probably a large number of scholarship players that are told they will not get any playing time and "choose" to leave. I think it is much more common that we all realize.
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