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When the NCAA made the ruling to grant another year of eligibility to spring sport athletes there was a lot of discussion about the potential for this to happen. Look in the threads about NCAA giving another year.... Paula is right about the need to change your plan and she is also right that JuCo is the most sensible option for continuing to play baseball (given the circumstances). Just do your homework and pick the right one.
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Some Jucos are holding scholarships back in anticipation of what you are talking about. It wasn’t hard to see this coming. I would suggest that you get in touch with any Jucos that showed interest during the recruiting process and see where they stand. It’s going to be next to impossible to find another 4 year school that’s not in the same situation as the school that’s asking you to leave.
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There are 4 D1 programs in Washington state. Over the years I have heard a lot of negative comments about one of them in particular.
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I see that you are from the Seattle area. I am going to assume that your son was headed to either one of the D1 programs. SMH
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Yes, may kids are losing out. Time to make the inevitable "adjustment" by looking at other levels...Maybe a JUCO that feeds into that D-1, making sure credit hours transfer. Best of luck!
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It hasn't happened at our school, or at least it hasn't happened yet. 7 from one class is pretty surprising, I would expect one or two guys getting a good chunk of money. As for your son - what was the conversation? Was it a we don't have the money conversation or was it a we don't think you'll get playing time situation? If it was a we can't afford it conversation then you could try your luck and stay, especially if it's at a P5 where that money is locked up for four years. But if it's a...
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No doubt about that! As Absorber has advocated on this site, you have the right to hold your ground and force the school to honor their agreement. But if you do that your son will most likely be outcast and won’t be a part of the baseball program in any way. So it comes down to a decision about continuing baseball or not. If the decision is made to continue playing that means finding a new school. About the only way you can fight back is to make known the name of the school. Bad publicity...
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My son, who is 5 weeks from heading to school, is being asked to "un-sign" his NLI so his money can go to the seniors and undrafted juniors who are staying at the D1 school he is supposedly attending. I hear this is happening everywhere, but I am surprised not to find talk about here. Maybe I'm looking at the wrong thread. Seven freshman from his school alone were told they were no longer wanted, and 5 of them won't be going to school at all because they can't afford it. This is a travesty...
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Good post. Unlimited roster next year and 11.7 for 32. Poor planning.
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Jam24, What has happened to your son is morally and ethically wrong, but it happens quite often. It's because, IMO some coaches don't belong being coaches. The coach should have had this figured out back in March. Most have a program that helps coaches manage their budget. He knew what could have been the scenario. How he handled this situation probably is a warning and maybe a sign that your son should move on. What I am wondering is why any coach would give a senior who graduated or just...
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What's wild is that the returning seniors do not count against the 11.7 and aren't required to receive any money. Unless the HC planned to have 5 or 6 guys drafted in rounds 6-40 this really should not have been an issue. I'd expose once your son finds a new home. There are a lot of people who come on here looking for answers about programs, I think putting that information out there is extremely helpful. Especially when it isn't a talent issue. If you can't play there you can't play there.
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It can also create “bad publicity “ for your student athlete, if you make a big stink. Be careful.
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I, too, really like this post, Smitty, except for the fact that Jam included this in his initial description of the situation... "... but he's not really interested in going to the school without baseball." For some, baseball (or another sport) is the driving motivation that helps them either get through college or get to the point where they realize the importance of a college education and develop other forms of motivation, better study habits, discipline, life skills, etc.
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This brings up a point I have wondered about a bit. My son plays at a HA D3 here on the left coast. I know that a LOT of his teammates are at least considering taking the fall off, especially if classes are not conducted in person. I believe at least a couple will actually do it. I have also heard that this discussion is happening at similar schools in the east, and I have heard that it's not just among athletes. So what happens if such a school loses part of its student body for an...
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I just want to clarify that he is not interested in going to THIS school without baseball. That's one thing they always tell you in recruiting is make sure you want to attend the school even if you don't play the sport. Well, he didn't follow that directive. He would prefer a more academic school, but it just didn't play out that way. As a parent, I would have preferred probably a D3 option and now maybe he'll think more about that. It is a chance, as @Smitty28 said, to revisit the long term...
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It’s not an indefinite period. Schools have policy on how long a student can leave and automatically return. When I attended college (years ago) it was one year. There were a handful of exceptions. What would happen under these circumstances is the colleges may suffer financially for a year unless they can replace all those who take a year off. Then they will be overcrowded the following year or it will be very hard for graduating high school seniors to get accepted.
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Redshirt is the term applied to the season in which you do not compete in live games. Whether you are receiving money, not receiving money, or are not a part of the team and are a regular student. You can suit up for every game, warm in in the bullpen, get to the on deck circle, etc - as long as you never officially enter a game you can use your redshirt for one season. All your scenarios above would qualify a redshirt year. The new rule for the D1 2021 season only is schools can have...
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P5 recruits sign a four year athletic aid agreement. Most sign in November of senior year of high school. It is a contract. The school cannot "pull it". They can pressure the recruit to give it up, but they cannot change it or delete it without the agreement of the recruit.
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Schools can't go over the 11.7 (seniors excepted). Most P5's don't rely on seniors anyway, non P5 schools do. But schools that rely on seniors are usually dollar/budget constrained. 2021's will get it the hardest. Schools are encouraging middle of the road recruits to try JUCO, or the recruits are just seeing the numbers. (There really isn't too much savings to be had in the middle ranked recruits). Rest of the money is coming from coaches pressuring players to back load their deals (move...
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Yep, good point; "pulled" in the same sense as the OP's son; at least, that's what it looks like, from the article.
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Do what ABSORBER says. If not, tell the coach to find your son a spot on another team. If not, I’ll see you in September.
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Fair point. Unfortunately baseball is not in the cards for this coming year no matter what path he takes. So perhaps the mindset is hit the weight room, hit the cages, workout and train as best he can on his own and look for a home in 2022, all the while taking the NLI money and getting a school year under his belt. It seems like a better option than walking away and going home.
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Thank the coach for the opportunity. IMHO, The family needs to pivot quickly. Check out the local Jucos. Find out who might show love. Get the engagement ring.
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Jam, Sorry to hear about this situation. It sounds awful what that school is doing. Given that you have only 1 year of personal funds available, and given that your son is not an MLB-caliber player (an assumption I am making based on how the coach is treating him), and given that he is unlikely to play anywhere else this coming year based on the timing and all that is going on, if it were me...I'd have a talk with my son about the 40 year plan and putting a focus on going to college to...
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Wait, so the choices are: - keep the scholarship, coach says, "you're not practicing with my team because I don't want you" - then you're a redshirt? - keep the scholarship, coach says, "o.k. you can be on the team because I have an unlimited roster," you don't play in the spring (because too many guys) - then you're a redshirt? - give up the scholarship, stay at the school, coach says "o.k. you can practice with the team because I have an unlimited roster" - then you're not a redshirt? or...
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You are right. Player has to be on the roster. Many coaches over recruit and not enough room on the 35 many roster. So they tell the guys they can work out and try again next year. This year there is no limit, so technically the coach can have as many red shirts as he has uniforms for and the AD has approved.
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Just read a news article about a P5 2020 player who had his scholarship pulled, has landed at another P5. I'm guessing that the other recruits at his position are less excited, I wonder if some of them had their scholarships pulled to account for him?
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My advice would be look for a new situation and calmly explain the situation. Don’t blame anyone. There are going to be plenty of players in the same situation. Any new coach your son has this conversation will understand. One option is to discuss with the current coach the chance of returning the following year if attending a JuCo thus coming year. But keep in mind how the coach responds isn’t binding. And there will be an additional recruiting class to compete against next year, When your...
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Exactly - it's a lose/lose situation for him. Before making the school public, I'm trying to understand if this is a widespread issue or if other schools have managed some way around this. If 50% of D1 schools are doing this, it's a little bit different than if they are the only one who is dealing with the problem this particular way. I hear that it is widespread but I don't see anyone else talking about it, so it makes me think other programs have found a way to keep seniors/juniors and...
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Redshirts practice with the team. They do everything but dress for home games and travel to away games
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Just know that if he is redshirted there is no difference. He can use facilities but cannot work out with the team so convince him he is redshirting if he doesn't find a spot. There are still schools looking for players at lower levels for 2020. Even with all this stuff, if he is good he can find a place to play this year. There are lower level juco schools that are still taking players for this year that have money, especially for great grades.
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Thanks for all the responses. I agree that the school should have seen this coming in March and at least put out a warning. @PABaseball - I didn't realize the seniors don't count against the 11.7. So how does that work? They keep their money but there is stil 11.7 to go around to the remaining 4 years of kids? If so, this really is a draft issue, and it also means they totally over-subscribed their class and saw this coming a mile away. Also - @TPM it's not a Washington school, but we have...
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I'm sorry that your son is in this situation. The ripple effects of the rushed NCAA decision and smaller draft are so infuriating. Several of my son's friends (incoming 2020 players) have been "asked" to de-commit from D1 schools and encouraged to go to JuCo for a year and try again as transfers... unfortunately, the JuCos in our area will likely scrap athletics for the upcoming year so they are then left with literally no in-state options :-( It seems the NLI is not worth the paper it's...
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That is a valid point. It’s a fine line to walk. I have not been happy for years about how the program is being run at my alma mater. I will comment in detail privately, but not publicly, as long as I have a kid still playing - and he isn’t even in the same state!
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I imagine it depends on where the money comes from whether it counts or not. TCU has a wealthy alumni base and they put up enough money to cover seniors that wanted to return. Gotta believe that doesn’t count.
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Good point Smitty and thanks for clarifaction, Jam. Way different. That said, depending on major and other factors, maybe baseball isn't just over. Maybe, just delayed a year. His may very well turn out to be a case of blessing in disguise in the long run.
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@RoadRunner - that is a part of the frustration. The student athlete literally has no voice. The school, the NCAA, the whole system has the power, but if no one calls out these institutions they can keep harming kids and getting away with it. they pretend to be concerned about kids' well being and they certainly demand that kids act with character and integrity, but they - on the other hand - are allowed to be immoral and unethical without consequence.
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PAbaseball stated seniors don't count against the 11.7. Not counting other funds, they do count against the 11.7?
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Sorry about your situation, that sucks. My 2020 goes to a weaker D1. This hasn't happened there. The coach told the incoming class on a Zoom call a few weeks back that the roster will likely be 37 this year though.
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Seniors are counted in the 11.7 and minimum 25% lifted and no roster limit. This allowed coaches to be creative, but could possibly be that the school is not fully funded or just now found out his budget was slashed.
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PAbaseball is correct that 2020 carina seniors that return in 2021 don’t count against the 11.7
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Someone help me out. I am under the impression that ANY money given out counts against the 32. Originally the seniors didn't count against the 35 man roster but not there is no roster limit?
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That's is so terrible to hear. I completely agree that this is an unethical move on the part of the school. I wish your son best of luck and hope for a good outcome.