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Re: D1 Baseball + STEM Degree

old_school ·
Local boy gets recruited to a Patriot engineering school, coach recommended business....engineering wasn’t really an option.
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RJM ·
Where you attend college may matter depending on your objectives. My daughter’s undergrad school was one of the top in the country in her major. But in the big picture it was seen by northeast corridor (Ivy, Georgetown, UVA) elite law schools as a mediocre southern school. She was shut out despite graduating PBK and a top 5% LSAT. She worked in a prestigious Washington international law firm for two years building contacts and references to get accepted to some of those law schools that...
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MTH ·
I am interested to see Fenway's experience. I suspect the answer will vary from school to school. At son's school it was HARDER for a pitcher to be an STEM major than it would have been for a position player. Son played for two different pitching coaches. Both required pitchers to be at the field before position players. Even when they were done with their pitching work, head coach required them to stick around to shag balls for hitters. One of the pitching coaches often made them stay after...
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57special ·
Son's teammate(good hitter) is going to Case Western(D3) for Engineering. There is no doubt that "Student" comes before "athlete", at a school like that. I know that this doesn't directly answer the OP's question.
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BBMomAZ ·
Does anyone have experience with schools that would accommodate an Architecture major with playing baseball? I'm assuming the time constraints would be similar to STEM at a high academic school because they have required studio/shop time. This is my son's main area of interest and initial feedback indicates that it's really hard to combine :-(. He talked to an Ivy League coach yesterday - the school has one of the top architecture programs in the country - and he told him they have no...
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Swampboy ·
I would be reluctant to endorse the generation that it can’t be done at the majority of D1’s. It really depends on the player and the school. Several of my son’s teammates did it. One majored in some kind of life science and went to dental school. My son had extra time on campus because of injury and transfer redshirt years, which enabled him to earn a masters in cyber security and quickly land a cyber security engineer job with a defense contractor.
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backyardonfire ·
This is my exact concern. Sounds like it really needs to be addressed on a school by school basis.
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MTH ·
Agreed. I would not be too quick to rule out a STEM major at MOST D1's. Yeah, there may be a few school schools where it simply can't be done, by anyone. But, I am convinced that it is possible at MOST D1's. Is it possible for every kid? Of course not, no more than it is possible for every kid to PLAY at a high level D1. But, I am convinced that a lot more kids could do it than currently do. TRUST IN HIM, you nailed it. For the vast majority of schools in the Power 5 conferences, it's all...
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fenwaysouth ·
BBMomMaz, So, Architecture was the one major my oldest son (Ivy engineering major) said would be impossible to do at his school, and play baseball. Take that for what it is worth. He said it was ridiculous how busy architectural majors are, as he knew a few socially. Good luck to your son, and let us know if you find out anything different.
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MTH ·
There are several rather lengthy prior threads on similar topics. Fenway, RJM, I, and others who have been through it have thrown in our .02 on several occasions. You should be able to find these by searching for topics like engineering, pre-med and STEM. However, here is a link to one of them: https://community.hsbaseballwe...79#17625209023565179 Bottom line, it's doable. And it's doable at most schools. IMHO, the kid is usually a bigger factor than the school. Best of luck. Let me know if...
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Re: D1 Baseball + STEM Degree

backyardonfire ·
Thank you for the thoughtful responses. Reading some of the posts on this site just has me a little apprehensive about D1. Hearing that 50% of players eventually end up at another school . . . do you see that same level of churn at high-academic D1s? Our 2020 isn't concerned about the competitive aspects of working to attain and keep a spot, but as a parent I feel like we should be guiding him towards better odds at stability.
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Goosegg ·
Generally, only the best and brightest aim for STEM degrees; and a significant portion of those will change majors (like most college kids). For baseball players (actually all athletes), their teammates will probably have significant influence on the academic rigor your son may choose - and in a D1 environment that influence may not be positive. (As opposed to a Rose-Hulman or MIT squad. In D1, the service academies also are STEM schools.) So, when parsing a roster and you find that STEM...
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Re: D1 Baseball + STEM Degree

BaseballFan1965 ·
As others have shared ask the coach. My son had coaches that basically said our players generally don't study a that field. Also, look at the rosters of schools of interest. If no players are studying more challenging academic fields it could be they are discouraged from doing so, but you never know without inquiring. A lot of players gravitate to the sports industry which is clearly the primary interest of many. The biggest factor for success academically is time management. The average...
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fenwaysouth ·
Again, I think we are going to have to agree to disagree mostly on the term "anyone" because I know quite a few folks that have made this work and gone on to be Vets, Lawyers, Pediatricians, Orthopedic Surgeons, Chemical Engineers, Nuclear Engineers, Material Science Engineers and Mechanical Engineers. By far getting into Vet school was the most difficult . These people thrived in this environment. They found an extra academic gear in college when they were challenged by both. In addition...
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BBMomAZ ·
Does anyone have experience combining architecture undergraduate studies with baseball? If so, I'd love your insight. I presume the conflicts with architecture studio/shop time would be similar to labs for a STEM major. My son knows it's a demanding major, but not sure I'm willing to accept that it can't be combined with playing baseball. Like others said, it would be important to have an understanding with the coach going in. He was also told he couldn't combine baseball with music in high...
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BBMomAZ ·
Thanks fenwaysouth. We're checking the rosters of the schools he is most interested in. So far, he discovered that Stanford has 2 players with architecture majors. None at the other schools so far, even the ones with strong architecture programs (Cornell, Cal Poly, USC, UT Austin).
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BBMomAZ ·
Thanks 2boydad - we will check out Academy of Art. My concern is that if he changes his mind on major down the road, there are not a lot of alternative fields of study at that type of school. There are a couple of routes to take in architecture. He was hoping for 5-year accredited Bachelor of Architecture program. The other option is any undergraduate (as long he gets pre-requisites) and then 2-3 year Master's program.
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Buckeye 2015 ·
A friend's son committed to an SEC school as a HS sophomore. They assured him that it would be possible to play baseball and be a pharmacy major. After fall semester of his freshman year he had already found that what the baseball coaches say and what the academic people (professors) say are two completely different things. One prof just flat out told him "athletes don't take my class" when he tried to explain he was supposed to catch a bullpen. He made it thru his freshman year, but there...
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Frank T. ·
My son initially signed his NLI with a Power 5 school. He wanted to pursue Biology and then apply to Physician Assistant grad programs upon graduation. He was told it would be difficult before he committed but felt he could handle it. Once there in the fall, the mandatory 6 am workouts along with an average of 25- 30 hours each week at the field made it really difficult. Every extra minute was spent studying with very little sleep. In the spring it got worse. There were 4 weeks where the...
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Re: D1 Baseball + STEM Degree

CTbballDad ·
Agree with this 100%, as it applies to the non medical field as well. One thing I said during the recruiting journey is I want to be sure my son enjoyed his college baseball experience when choosing a school. The job will come and his success will be determined by how hard he works, networks, etc., not based on the school on a piece of paper. Having said that, of course he chose the school with the better academic history and the one costing (for both me and him) the most. He may regret that...
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RJM ·
When my cousin’s daughter didn’t get into an Ivy or a NESCAC he told her she’s going to UConn. He told her he wasn’t paying 65K per year just so she could say she didn’t go to her state university. He can afford any college. He doesn’t believe in wasting money. From growing up in New England I know in my generation there’s a stigma attached to attending a state university. Some are much better than they used to be. New Englanders don’t understand away from New England a lot of state...
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Re: D1 Baseball + STEM Degree

Pedaldad ·
As a member very large orthopedic group that trains residents, (believe me I am an academics first kind of guy) this may offend some people, but it is just my own opinion, and we all have a right to my own opinion. My personal feeling is STEM degrees are the only degrees worth paying for with very few exceptions. And my advice with very few exceptions is don’t do a STEM degree or attend an HA at any level while playing baseball. Neither I nor any of my partners would advise anyone to do a...
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Trust In Him ·
I would suggest asking the HC/RC straight up what problems will exist with a STEM major. My son was leaning towards pre-med/science while visiting D1 schools. His right fit school HC told him up front that it is extremely difficult for those majors since classes will be missed, labs will conflict in the evening, and generally instructors are not very flexible in that major regarding make-up exams, missed classwork, labs, etc. HC said it is possible but decisions will be made during conflict,...
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Re: D1 Baseball + STEM Degree

3and2Fastball ·
There are many coaches in College Baseball, outside of the Ivy, Patriot, and HA D3's, who will discourage STEM majors once a kid gets on campus. Baseball needs to come first in those programs. And with coaching changes & philosophical changes in programs, it is difficult to stay on top of which programs are good for STEM majors. I would have a prospective recruit ask a lot of questions, and carefully examine rosters. Chances are, if there aren't any STEM majors on a roster, your kid is...
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RJM ·
Re high academic D1 and transferring ... Typically kids going D1 see themselves as a pro prospect to some degree even if the odds are long. How the player at a high academic D1 views baseball versus academics will determine whether or not he transfers or not. I’m guessing unless they’re seen as a high level prospect entering a Stanford, Vanderbilt, Duke or similar baseball power five they’re more likely to drop baseball and stay for the academics than transfer.
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RJM ·
A friend’s tounfer brother and a summer teammate of mine one year entered college as an engineering major. The team was coming off a CWS appearance. He left a Education/Phys Ed degree. He was pressured to change his major when he became the closer freshman year. He was sold he was a MLB prospect. I couldn’t see it. He had great stuff and great command. But in the words of Dennis Eckersley he was throwing salad. He was not drafted. He went on to be a gym teacher and a high school basketball...
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like2rake ·
I respect pedaldad's opinion - particularly regarding the competitive nature and the need to excel in terms of GPA, etc. I also applaud his acknowledgement that his opinion may offend some readers. I suppose I'll take exception to his opinion that STEM degrees, with very few exceptions, are the only form of degree worth paying for. The world is a better place with more passionate, young elementary school teachers entering the workforce, for example, is it not? Our son was a "dreaded" History...
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fenwaysouth ·
RJM, MTH, and others My son (pitcher) told me early on that he would not have been able to do what he did as a position player. Those were his words based on his situation. I recall the discussion vividly because he was thinking about asking the coach about becoming a two-way player. His freshmen year there wasn't much offense and he felt he could contribute. I asked him if he had enough time to do this, and he quickly realized that he didn't have time for two workouts let alone the position...
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D1 Baseball + STEM Degree

backyardonfire ·
Our 2020 position player has been working through the recruiting process with a focus on high academic D3 and potentially ivy league schools. He has recently received some interest from a couple of non-ivy D1 schools. He would like to pursue a degree in science or engineering, and we are having a difficult time determining the D1 schools that would make this type of degree possible in conjunction with playing baseball. My impression is that there aren't many D1 schools where this would be...
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Pedaldad ·
I agree completely that there are schools that can provide it at every level. What I am saying is that anyone puts themselves at a disadvantage if you are trying to compete at a HA school while playing a truly competitive sport. You will get slaughtered in the classroom by your classmates that are every bit as bright as you, but don’t have the demands of a sport.
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backyardonfire ·
Funny you mention that . . . he took the SAT this morning. He has definitely put the work in. Fingers crossed that it pays off.
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Ripken Fan ·
Hi BYOF: Welcome to the site..like the topic. Many good points so far. One of the best I've read is MTH's which says that "the kid is a factor". Totally agree. My son is a Middle infielder & STEM major (Chemical engineering) at HA D1. It takes good time management skills. Your best options are with the Ivy, Patriot , and HA D3's which have strong science programs. The Ivy league for one has an "off day" (Monday for most) which is when the athletic science majors take labs; the athletes...
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Frank T. ·
As Pedaldad said, sure you can do both and I agree that the athlete is at a disadvantage. The issue is attaining the grades to move on after graduation. A high GPA is required for my son to even entertain thoughts of securing a spot in a Physician Asst. grad program. 800 to 1,000 applicants for 40 spots at most schools. I'm sure not all STEM programs are so driven by GPA. At all levels of BB there are only so many hours in the week. And, when the player is spending an average of 25-30 hours...
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Do Bad High School Stats Matter?

Six-Four-Three ·
Have any of you heard of players who were recruited to play on college teams despite hitting below .200 his junior year in high school? My 2020 has solid measurables for a DIII MIF but couldn't buy a hit the second half of the HS season.
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Re: Club or HS for summer

Swampboy ·
Is "both" at all a feasible option? Hitter on the school team. Starting pitcher only on club team and not attending club games he's not scheduled to pitch.
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MBGA ·
My son had a D3 coach see him at the Arizona Fall Classic in October of 2018 and recruited him because he liked his energy between innings and how he led his team OFF the field in the dugout. He only watched him for TWO innings the whole long weekend and has not stopped calling even though my son signed in February of this year. That school is in the D3 World Series starting on Wednesday. The coaches their must be doing something right. Do high school stats matter? It depends. I have seen...
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High Academic minimum requirements

2020-RHP-Dad ·
I'm guessing this could vary quite a bit depending on the school, but for general purposes, what are the minimum (and average) requirements for a baseball player to be considered as a "high academic" recruit or even to attend a "high academic" showcase. Thanks in advance.
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CollegebaseballInsights ·
A friend's son (2015 graduate) played only 3 games of varsity High School baseball. Lot of politics, I told him not to worry son had skills. Note, received baseball scholarship from Akron (before it suspended program). Attended Florence Darlington (NJCAA-D1) , the Santa Barbara (cccaa) before doing last 2 years at Saint Leo's (ncaa-d2). He ran a 6.4 60, left handed batter, strong arm. High School stats are subjective at best as for the competition varies.
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Club or HS for summer

Billy Baseball ·
Here's the scenario, there is a kid who is a big kid who hits well and has a strong arm. Throws across the diamond low 80's, pitches in the mid to upper 80's. Strong hitter, but struggles on defense, hasn't played 3rd for very long. Some college coaches have expressed interest as a pitcher, mostly NAIA and D3 and they want to see him pitch this summer. High school coach likes his bat, and has said he will not pitch him (big school, deep in pitching). High School coach also feels strongly...
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keewart ·
Son's school was one of the HAs that Fenwaysouth listed in his post, but the acceptance rate is MUCH higher than 15%, mostly because it is a known backup school to the Ivys. Keep that in mind. Many of it's baseball players got in to an Ivy, or applied. In my son's case, baseball may have gotten him in to a school that he may not have gotten in to on his own. We will never know. But, once you get in, even with the coach's help, YOU NEED TO MAKE THE GRADES TO STAY THERE. (Son did, thank...
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c2019 ·
Club !
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3and2Fastball ·
Play high school in the summer and Showcase in the late summer/fall. Travel Teams are, to me, more of a necessary evil and a huge ripoff at some academies. I get that they have their place but with Showcases and college camps you don't have to go that route
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meads ·
WOW! Thanks for sharing!
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bigcubbiefan ·
I was a travel coach...a lot of my guys played Legion also...we didn't start until after Legion (immediately after). Depending on what area of the country you are in, explore possibility of playing for the school summer team and a later summer/fall travel team. Fall of senior year is prime time D2/D3 recruiting season. Arm overuse shouldn't be an issue since he is not pitching on school team. Perhaps he could catch on as a PO and only attend games he is pitching. A lot of travel teams...
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Re: High Academic minimum requirements

Chico Escuela ·
I think this raises an important issue (and is another factor that will vary for different individuals). I see elite college admissions as having so many back and side doors that no one should feel they don't belong if their test scores or grades are a little low; but I get it. Choosing a school where you don't feel comfortable just because that school is "better" according to some ranking or other isn't necessarily a good idea. (I also have seen kids who were the biggest academic fish in...
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Billy Baseball ·
Lots of great feedback, let me answer some questions to see if that changes anyone's opinion. The father is my brother in law, known him forever, played high school football with him. Kid is 6' 2" about 180 - 190 (father is much, much bigger). Kid was a catcher when he was younger, didn't like catching after he got a little bigger. As far as playing 3rd, he made a ton of errors this season, but he is settling in. For the high school coach, he wants full buy in for his team. Totally...
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CollegebaseballInsights ·
No problem. You can find a place. Remember the objective is to get out of college with the least amount of debt. Many call it the 4.40 . Meaning 4 years of baseball, 40 years of you career after baseball. I found these articles to be very informative. Also check out the podcast. Investigating College Baseball Programs https://keepplayingbaseball.or...e-programs-online-2/ https://keepplayingbaseball.or...-school-recruitment/ https://keepplayingbaseball.or...rents-answered-2018/...
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Gov ·
I’ve sat on selection committees for all the Service Academies and we look for the min ACT combined with the absolute strongest weighted GPA reflecting a strong curriculum w AP/H classes. That tells us the classroom work ethic and discipline of the student. Ive seen plenty of 28-30 ACT kids who have a stronger weighted GPA than a 32-33 ACT kid. We’ll take the 30 ACT kid over the 33 ACT kid in this case. Doing well and staying in a Service Academy is difficult. Limited sleep, limited free...
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anotherparent ·
I agree that at Headfirst there are definitely some schools whose admissions rates are around 30% (and higher), SAT average around 1250, GPA 3.7. There's a reasonably wide range. An easy way to check is to look at the list of schools that will be at Headfirst (they are listed on their website). Google the name of the school + prepscholar, you will get listings of the school's average GPA, SAT/ACT, and admissions rate.
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tequila ·
I don't think that will matter too much, especially at the D3 level. From what I've learned, for the most part, college coaches make their decisions based upon what they see and high school stats are so incredibly variable and difficult to evaluate that they're rarely used in the equation. The only place this might impact is the conference/district/state- type awards that the players would typically put in their bio upon entering college after being recruited.
 
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