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Re: Recruitable as Two Way Player for Ivy ???
My 2012 was recruited and offered as a two way (SS / RHP) at 7 of the 8 Ivys and a lot of other places. He always showcased as a SS first, and secondarily as a RHP. But it was our expectation that the coaches would play him where they felt he best fit, i.e., offering the recruit as a two way player is not the same as committing to the player any position or any playing time once in college. My 2016 showcased as a SS and RHP too. However, he did not have the arm to ultimately pitch in college...
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I really can't add much to the conversation, but college coaches are always looking for someone that can pitch well. If you can hit, you will be in the lineup. Do both, the coach basically gets a 2-for-1 guy. However, in college it is hard to pull it off well with double the practice time. Your goal is to get on the field, so many decide to be pitcher only or position only. (as much as I hate to admit it).... My favorite 2-way guy to watch right now is Adam Haseley at UVA. Played/started...
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Yale once had a SS/RHP 2-way player who turned out to be pretty good.
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I would think with a current Velo of low 80s the chances are better as a Position Player. maybe in a weak Team he could also serve as an innings eater emergency reliever and you could mention that to the Coach but likely at this Point he is a Position Player. most two way Players are guys who throw really hard (but maybe have some control issues - because if you throw hard and have control you are a pitcher even if you can hit unless you can hit like babe ruth ).
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As was already mentioned , w/ HS pitcher recruiting at the D1 level it starts with velocity numbers . Basically, the magic number is 85 on the left side. 88 on the right side. That's during the recruiting process. Which means if your son is a righty Junior he needs to be at 88 mph on the gun in High School. Period. And the ivy league is no different. Also, the Ivy is it's own specialized unique maze of recruiting rules and timelines and it is EXTREMELY difficult to actually land a roster...
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I like what you've said, pretty much applying the BS meter to the recruiting process with son and parent. 2018 will stay focused on his primary position, while continuing to hone craft, speed and strength. Son took the ACT for the first time the past Saturday, that will provide another data point to see where he's at...
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STRAINEDOBLIQUE said it "exactly" like it is, also based on personal experience. Ivy's are also looking for 90+ pitchers. Just because the schools are academic doesn't mean that they just want smart kids, they want kids that can play and then pass through admissions and you will known when they want your kid, like STRAINED said.
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The high academic D3's appear to operate exactly the same way as the Ivy's. My 2017's interest from a couple of the elite schools played out exactly the same way with a request from the HC for a copy of the transcripts and test results to "run by" the admissions office. One of them told him that they could not get a "yes" from that pre-read but could get a likely "no chance." And sure enough, he has not heard back from that coach, so he knows the answer on that one. The other one said go...
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Backstop, thanks for the Intel... I wasn't thinking 2018 had to take both the SAT & ACT... Probably makes sense to figure out which test is a better fit... 30 years ago the SAT was the only test accepted for the high academics, now ACT seems to be the standard. Good luck to your son.
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Gov: I am thinking since your son has time, he should take both the SAT and the ACT. It definitely seems ACT has been the more recognized, but SAT just revised their test to be more like the ACT. If he is striving for the high academics, having excellent scores on both tests cannot hurt and may actually help if he is right on the border. We are also finding some of the schools also value the SAT subject tests, particularly if he is thinking of a STEM major. As we have been told, the subject...
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Good stuff... Even if you have just the ACT, for some of the high academics don't you have to take two SAT Subject Tests? Others here likely know, have to look that up... Think son is leaning on the financial-economics track...
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No matter how many times I read posts like Strained's and the ones that follow, I still need to read them again. Kid is hoping for something and any shred of response from THE DESIRED OBJECTIVE fans the flame. If there's tepid response, need to accept that the fire isn't there, and the matches are wet. My 2017 has had exactly the same experience with the Div 3's he's interested in. Some have faded away, a few have pre read his transcript and scores, and have greenlighted his admission. The...
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Re: Recruitable as Two Way Player for Ivy ???
One thing to remember is that a coach may send 20 pre-reads to admissions of potential recruits. The number of recruits for an Ivy for example may be 7 or 8, and the coaches already have on their board the prospects ranked. Lets say that all 20 come in with satisfactory pre-reads that means that the coach has 20 options and they will go according to their board rankings, so if the 7/8 top recruits decide to go to that school, the remainder recruits are out of luck. That is why regardless,...
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Re: Recruitable as Two Way Player for Ivy ???
Gov- The Ivies (aside from the baseball side) rely heavily on the rigor of the transcript (give a strong look at APs) and the AP test scores, coupled with board SAT/ACT scores. While SAT subject tests no longer "appear to be "required" of the Ivies, they are strongly recommended (from a link I read that came out this summer). I think my son took 4. Georgetown, another non-Ivy high academic used to require three tests, though they have pared that back. Most will accept either the SAT or ACT.
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This is one tough thing to find out. A policy analysis professor of mine used to say, "Don't ask the question, if you can't stand the answer." RipkenFan Son at times wanted to think he was in the "mix" at several schools and thought such questions may bother RCs; he was hesitant. Schools often keep a large enough pool, so they may not want to eliminate candidates early; or feel there is "still time" to find better.
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Ripken you are absolutely right, it is a tough question to ask, and what you really want to hear from the beginning is that your name is the one with three starts next to it; if you are in the 7/8 top main list they will let you know, otherwise, assume that you are not. One sign that may be recognizable as good is how often and firm they ask about you and other schools and if you are going to visit them. The feeling is in how they continue after they say 'we sent your papers to admissions...
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Sometimes it's easy. 2017 did one visit where a whiteboard was visible in HC's office, and we could see where his name was positioned. But I guess allowing a player to see that could be deliberate.
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4Bases with numbers above, 7/8, the road is is definitely tougher for a position player. Typical recruiting class: 4 pitchers, OF, MI and either Corner Infielder with pop who can throw a couple of innings or C. Schools which have a higher number of recruits will increase the P, power hitters, and take a C each class.
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Just to comment and add our experience and 2 cents FWIW... - I believe Georgetown still STRONGLY recommends 3 SAT subject tests so not sure anything has been pared back. - The Academic Index at the Ivies weights test scores more than GPA since schools and grades are so varied across our great nation. - Most of the Ivies have 7 admission slots this year, with at least 1 having only 5. Those are the guys getting admissions support and likely letters. I do not agree with the above positional...
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Backstop22 really laid out the game plan about 2018's seeking a fit in academic ball. It's all about TESTING. Prepping , Tests, re-tests and for parents terribly expensive tutors. Also, I just sort of want to follow up my original post by saying. I'm reluctant at times to post about the realities of recruiting because I feel like I'm the 'grim reaper' . The reality of how offers come about and how schools recruit are cold and harsh. But it's the truth based on my experience. I also believe...
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Re: IRL
I think the IRL is the school's reporting and they will put a kid on the list when/if they wish to have the NCAA review eligibility. This is different than the player registering with the NCAA eligibility center and getting an initial read on eligibility for the various divisions. Does that make sense given what you have read and what you are trying to accomplish?
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Re: IRL
Your student athlete can register with the NCAA Eligibility Center and complete the questionnaire on eligibility. The athlete will receive a clearing house ID number. Once your student athlete graduates they will request for the final transcript from the High School. The HC or RC will will then request the information from the NCAA for you student athlete information to determine eligibility.. That's how I remember the process. I hope this helps!
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Thank you for your responses. The NCAA Eligibility page that explains the IRL doesn't make it very clear except that there were changes that took place in 2016. I imagine when someone is really interested in a player it will all unfold in the right order. I hope.
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Re: Stanford Camp v. Duke Camp, Summer 2018
I think the coach to player ratio was OK at Duke. It wasn't something I was actively thinking about at the time, but I did follow the groups around as they moved through their drill stations and it did seem like there were a lot of kids in each group. Not sure how many coaches. I traveled to Duke with my son and had nothing to do so I watched almost everything there. We live about an hour and change away from Stanford so I really only there for the games and didn't really monitor the...
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Re: Stanford Camp v. Duke Camp, Summer 2018
What a great, detailed summary of the camps! My two cents: The two camps are different animals. Stanford camp is a place where lots of high academic and other D1 coaches participate as coaches for the player teams for the purpose of recruiting, while unless I am mistaken, the Duke camp is staffed by Duke coaches only. My son went to Duke, and the then Duke coaching staff first saw him at the Stanford Camp. Interestingly, they did not approach him at the camp - only coaches that are...
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Re: Recruiting/Future help
My son is a 2021 also, but doesn't pitch (he's a 3B/1B), and plays for one of the best travel programs in our state.... So I'm familiar with that age group & the way things are working w/ recruiting etc your kid has the "golden ticket" (lefty pitcher) & I applaud you for shutting him down when the shoulder issue came up. There are a lot of 2021's out there throwing mid 80's these days. Every top travel team has several of them, and there are many throwing upper 80's/low 90's (i.e.
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I've found that comparing my kid's recruiting experience to his teammates' was a gateway move to dependency on antipsychotic drugs. 3/2 gave you great advice. I'd focus on patience, while still pursuing as many options as possible, AND getting an ACT/SAT tutor. That score can go up significantly with the right preparation.
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I echo much of what 3n2 said. You seem to have a pretty good awareness of what's up and you seem to have him in a good situation with a well connected travel org and he is getting attention, albeit no solid D1 offers. The few red flags I see are tied to panic. He's a soph and you have already had a "revenge tour" and you are reacting to others on his travel org getting offers already. A soph in HS and you're already planning a redshirt year in college. Take it down a notch. I'm guessing part...
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Great reply that I needed to hear. You're exactly right. He's fine. He's a typical weirdo lefty. He thinks he's the best pitcher in the country and, that (Major Division I) is completely ignorant for not offering him. He'll always have that confidence. The "panic" is from me. Deep down, I know that it's going to be OK. But you're right, he got early attention and it didn't quite materialize yet. I left out the fact that the RC at the SEC power told the showcase director that he thinks the...
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I’m on board with the responses. As a lefty D1’s are probably looking for him to hit 87/88 consistently. If he was right handed it would be 90. It’s great your son is dominating the hitters he ‘s facing. It’s good for his confidence. But the college coaches aren’t necessarily gauging him against those hitters. They’re looking at his tools and trying to project if he will get college hitters out. And you’re right about if he were 6’2”. Is he done growing? Are his growth plates still open?
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JayLu0204, Thanks for posting. So I think you'll discover that your approach, history and results are not that unique. Actually, I found myself reading your post and thinking..."yeah, I've been there and I remember going through exactly that". Nothing you posted surprised me at all. I'm not sure you know this but, ge tting recruited to play college baseball at any level is ridiculously hard. Listen, my kid was the second-to-last kid on his national travel team to commit. Guess what? I...
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Food for thought....do not give up on shooting for a P5 school....LHP's live in a different world. They usually develop slower than others and coachs know that. Ensuring your son is healthy is the most imporatant thing right now.
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Your son can still be a P5 prospect, schools are just looking for more consistency at this point. Topping at 87 then 83 then 86 then 84 is a bigger issue than 85 every time he takes the mound. The velo differences probably tell coaches that he is either injured or doesn't have proper routine/training to maintain that peak performance yet. It sounds like the latter, and it sounds like they are still interested, just waiting for him to correct that part. If he doesn't have it yet, get him in a...
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My sons' story is very similar in terms of velocity, growth, etc. Everyone above gave good advise. My only add would be to look at a different P5 conference. Our experience was that ACC & SEC were looking for large kids, can't change that. Shop in a different area. A lefty in the upper 80's will find a good home with a good offer, IMO. Be patient, make a list of target schools, reach out to different areas. Be open to this part. If you son projects an attitude, attempt to kill it! Being...
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He's a lefty and going to be a pitcher in college so forget all the other stuff. He is a "potential" P-5 candidate, but be aware P-5 programs are very demanding and only the best play. Higher reward, but higher risk. Better to be a big fish in a winning program than a small fish in a demanding P5 IMO, as I many of my son's friends who went that route flamed out and transferred. Develop a plan and work the plan. Make a list of preferred programs 30-50 and make a list of recruiting and head...
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"RC of local major D1 contacts showcase director and invites him to their prospect camp the next weekend." "Gets a call from showcase guy a week later and is told he needs to go to the camp. " Always like to hear pitcher experiences. As my user name indicates, my son is a 2020 RHP. Similar to your son, my son was the only freshman on a top 6A varsity team in Texas and did well (he was pitching against full grown major D1 commits that spring when previously he had only pitched against 8th...
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The Ft. Myers deal was kind of a fluke thing I think. RC saw something on twitter about him and invited him to camp. The other was due to our showcase director. He hit 87 in an all-star game on Tuesday. Wednesday, he puts in the call to the PC. Saturday he came to watch. Those are the only two times a coach has specifically contacted someone about my son.
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Don’t worry about how much he does or doesn’t pitch in high school. His exposure to college coaches will be in the summer. College coaches are mostly busy right now coaching. It’s MLB scout’s who show up at high school games. But if your son isn’t in high demand for college ball yet it’s not time to worry about pro ball. The scouts are looking at the 90+ high school pitchers.
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To echo what BOF said, for a pitcher, I don't think the P5 thing is quite as important. Looking at the Fangraphs 2019 draft board current rankings,, the first college pitcher on it is George Kirby of Elon, the second is Jackson Rutledge of San Jacinto JC, the third is Alex Manoah of West Virginia (a P5), the fourth is Seth Johnson of Campbell. Or look at last year's Cy Young voting. In the AL, of the top 4, Snell was a HS pick, but Verlander went to Old Dominion, Kluber went to Stetson, and...
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Yep. Most of D1 can be a rat race, but the kid's we know that went to the big time baseball schools are struggling to get any playing time. Sometimes you are better off playing at a mid major, and getting off the bench. If you produce, they will find you.
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My advice is always to use baseball as a vehicle to get into schools he might not get into academically and use it as leverage. He is likely not going to play pro-ball so use baseball to find the right college home that fits his profile. Also go to a winning program as it is a lot more fun than loosing and find a head coach that is going to help him grow into a man, not necessarily a better baseball player, his pitching coach should do the baseball part. Also most HS players (and their...
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Yes, that is worth repeating. As they say, be careful what you wish for because you might get it. Major college sports is a full-time job with lots of overtime. As I've heard many times, there is no such thing as a college baseball scholarship.
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Hey Jay, Lots of good advice above from experienced people. If you have been reading the board for awhile, you have read all of above before. And it is all good advice. To what you (your son) should be focusing on? Health first and foremost, combined with strength, mobility and conditioning. My recommendation is to go to Eric Cressey or an Eric Cressey like experienced PT / CSCS that has a lot of experience with pitchers. Get your son a movement assessment and a bio-mechanical assessment and...
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Be patient. It is hard not to panic. I remember being exactly the same thinking, my son just killed it against other D1 powerhouse commits, why did this coach just watch and not offer? Some schools are looking for specific things. Some schools talked to my son almost weekly for a year and never offered. He didn't commit until August after his sophomore year. I think for him, the number was 91. He had a couple offers before while hitting 90. He hit 91 3x and for the first time and he had guys...
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It appears that your lefty pitcher has performed well in front of the right people. Impatience, frustration, worry all set in when the phone/texts/e-mails are not as plentiful as you'd like after seeing him do so well. My son was playing for a top level west coast travel ball team the summer before junior year. He absolutely went off at the travel team's prospect camp, which had over 30 college coaches (mainly D1) attending. Hit a ball out of a minor league stadium and hit the fence on two...
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You just really need to be patient and let the the velocity catch up with the talent. Though talented, your son is still young and I believe most P5 coaches need/want to see velocity in the high 8's before moving forward. A few years back my son's velo at 15 was low 80's. - Consistent work and development led to low 90's the summer prior to his senior year - while it may seem like power 5's aren't recruiting rising seniors, there were still Power 5 offers to be had.......so be...