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D1 Baseball + STEM Degree

backyardonfire ·
Our 2020 position player has been working through the recruiting process with a focus on high academic D3 and potentially ivy league schools. He has recently received some interest from a couple of non-ivy D1 schools. He would like to pursue a degree in science or engineering, and we are having a difficult time determining the D1 schools that would make this type of degree possible in conjunction with playing baseball. My impression is that there aren't many D1 schools where this would be...
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Pedaldad ·
As a member very large orthopedic group that trains residents, (believe me I am an academics first kind of guy) this may offend some people, but it is just my own opinion, and we all have a right to my own opinion. My personal feeling is STEM degrees are the only degrees worth paying for with very few exceptions. And my advice with very few exceptions is don’t do a STEM degree or attend an HA at any level while playing baseball. Neither I nor any of my partners would advise anyone to do a...
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CTbballDad ·
Agree with this 100%, as it applies to the non medical field as well. One thing I said during the recruiting journey is I want to be sure my son enjoyed his college baseball experience when choosing a school. The job will come and his success will be determined by how hard he works, networks, etc., not based on the school on a piece of paper. Having said that, of course he chose the school with the better academic history and the one costing (for both me and him) the most. He may regret that...
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RJM ·
When my cousin’s daughter didn’t get into an Ivy or a NESCAC he told her she’s going to UConn. He told her he wasn’t paying 65K per year just so she could say she didn’t go to her state university. He can afford any college. He doesn’t believe in wasting money. From growing up in New England I know in my generation there’s a stigma attached to attending a state university. Some are much better than they used to be. New Englanders don’t understand away from New England a lot of state...
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Pedaldad ·
I agree completely that there are schools that can provide it at every level. What I am saying is that anyone puts themselves at a disadvantage if you are trying to compete at a HA school while playing a truly competitive sport. You will get slaughtered in the classroom by your classmates that are every bit as bright as you, but don’t have the demands of a sport.
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Frank T. ·
As Pedaldad said, sure you can do both and I agree that the athlete is at a disadvantage. The issue is attaining the grades to move on after graduation. A high GPA is required for my son to even entertain thoughts of securing a spot in a Physician Asst. grad program. 800 to 1,000 applicants for 40 spots at most schools. I'm sure not all STEM programs are so driven by GPA. At all levels of BB there are only so many hours in the week. And, when the player is spending an average of 25-30 hours...
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fenwaysouth ·
Again, I think we are going to have to agree to disagree mostly on the term "anyone" because I know quite a few folks that have made this work and gone on to be Vets, Lawyers, Pediatricians, Orthopedic Surgeons, Chemical Engineers, Nuclear Engineers, Material Science Engineers and Mechanical Engineers. By far getting into Vet school was the most difficult . These people thrived in this environment. They found an extra academic gear in college when they were challenged by both. In addition...
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like2rake ·
I respect pedaldad's opinion - particularly regarding the competitive nature and the need to excel in terms of GPA, etc. I also applaud his acknowledgement that his opinion may offend some readers. I suppose I'll take exception to his opinion that STEM degrees, with very few exceptions, are the only form of degree worth paying for. The world is a better place with more passionate, young elementary school teachers entering the workforce, for example, is it not? Our son was a "dreaded" History...
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Goosegg ·
Generally, only the best and brightest aim for STEM degrees; and a significant portion of those will change majors (like most college kids). For baseball players (actually all athletes), their teammates will probably have significant influence on the academic rigor your son may choose - and in a D1 environment that influence may not be positive. (As opposed to a Rose-Hulman or MIT squad. In D1, the service academies also are STEM schools.) So, when parsing a roster and you find that STEM...
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RJM ·
Where you attend college may matter depending on your objectives. My daughter’s undergrad school was one of the top in the country in her major. But in the big picture it was seen by northeast corridor (Ivy, Georgetown, UVA) elite law schools as a mediocre southern school. She was shut out despite graduating PBK and a top 5% LSAT. She worked in a prestigious Washington international law firm for two years building contacts and references to get accepted to some of those law schools that...
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BBMomAZ ·
Does anyone have experience with schools that would accommodate an Architecture major with playing baseball? I'm assuming the time constraints would be similar to STEM at a high academic school because they have required studio/shop time. This is my son's main area of interest and initial feedback indicates that it's really hard to combine :-(. He talked to an Ivy League coach yesterday - the school has one of the top architecture programs in the country - and he told him they have no...
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fenwaysouth ·
BBMomMaz, So, Architecture was the one major my oldest son (Ivy engineering major) said would be impossible to do at his school, and play baseball. Take that for what it is worth. He said it was ridiculous how busy architectural majors are, as he knew a few socially. Good luck to your son, and let us know if you find out anything different.
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BBMomAZ ·
Does anyone have experience combining architecture undergraduate studies with baseball? If so, I'd love your insight. I presume the conflicts with architecture studio/shop time would be similar to labs for a STEM major. My son knows it's a demanding major, but not sure I'm willing to accept that it can't be combined with playing baseball. Like others said, it would be important to have an understanding with the coach going in. He was also told he couldn't combine baseball with music in high...
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BBMomAZ ·
Thanks fenwaysouth. We're checking the rosters of the schools he is most interested in. So far, he discovered that Stanford has 2 players with architecture majors. None at the other schools so far, even the ones with strong architecture programs (Cornell, Cal Poly, USC, UT Austin).
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BBMomAZ ·
Thanks 2boydad - we will check out Academy of Art. My concern is that if he changes his mind on major down the road, there are not a lot of alternative fields of study at that type of school. There are a couple of routes to take in architecture. He was hoping for 5-year accredited Bachelor of Architecture program. The other option is any undergraduate (as long he gets pre-requisites) and then 2-3 year Master's program.
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MTH ·
There are several rather lengthy prior threads on similar topics. Fenway, RJM, I, and others who have been through it have thrown in our .02 on several occasions. You should be able to find these by searching for topics like engineering, pre-med and STEM. However, here is a link to one of them: https://community.hsbaseballwe...79#17625209023565179 Bottom line, it's doable. And it's doable at most schools. IMHO, the kid is usually a bigger factor than the school. Best of luck. Let me know if...
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Trust In Him ·
I would suggest asking the HC/RC straight up what problems will exist with a STEM major. My son was leaning towards pre-med/science while visiting D1 schools. His right fit school HC told him up front that it is extremely difficult for those majors since classes will be missed, labs will conflict in the evening, and generally instructors are not very flexible in that major regarding make-up exams, missed classwork, labs, etc. HC said it is possible but decisions will be made during conflict,...
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backyardonfire ·
Thank you for the thoughtful responses. Reading some of the posts on this site just has me a little apprehensive about D1. Hearing that 50% of players eventually end up at another school . . . do you see that same level of churn at high-academic D1s? Our 2020 isn't concerned about the competitive aspects of working to attain and keep a spot, but as a parent I feel like we should be guiding him towards better odds at stability.
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backyardonfire ·
This is my exact concern. Sounds like it really needs to be addressed on a school by school basis.
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3and2Fastball ·
There are many coaches in College Baseball, outside of the Ivy, Patriot, and HA D3's, who will discourage STEM majors once a kid gets on campus. Baseball needs to come first in those programs. And with coaching changes & philosophical changes in programs, it is difficult to stay on top of which programs are good for STEM majors. I would have a prospective recruit ask a lot of questions, and carefully examine rosters. Chances are, if there aren't any STEM majors on a roster, your kid is...
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RJM ·
Re high academic D1 and transferring ... Typically kids going D1 see themselves as a pro prospect to some degree even if the odds are long. How the player at a high academic D1 views baseball versus academics will determine whether or not he transfers or not. I’m guessing unless they’re seen as a high level prospect entering a Stanford, Vanderbilt, Duke or similar baseball power five they’re more likely to drop baseball and stay for the academics than transfer.
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BaseballFan1965 ·
As others have shared ask the coach. My son had coaches that basically said our players generally don't study a that field. Also, look at the rosters of schools of interest. If no players are studying more challenging academic fields it could be they are discouraged from doing so, but you never know without inquiring. A lot of players gravitate to the sports industry which is clearly the primary interest of many. The biggest factor for success academically is time management. The average...
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Ripken Fan ·
Hi BYOF: Welcome to the site..like the topic. Many good points so far. One of the best I've read is MTH's which says that "the kid is a factor". Totally agree. My son is a Middle infielder & STEM major (Chemical engineering) at HA D1. It takes good time management skills. Your best options are with the Ivy, Patriot , and HA D3's which have strong science programs. The Ivy league for one has an "off day" (Monday for most) which is when the athletic science majors take labs; the athletes...
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MTH ·
I am interested to see Fenway's experience. I suspect the answer will vary from school to school. At son's school it was HARDER for a pitcher to be an STEM major than it would have been for a position player. Son played for two different pitching coaches. Both required pitchers to be at the field before position players. Even when they were done with their pitching work, head coach required them to stick around to shag balls for hitters. One of the pitching coaches often made them stay after...
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fenwaysouth ·
RJM, MTH, and others My son (pitcher) told me early on that he would not have been able to do what he did as a position player. Those were his words based on his situation. I recall the discussion vividly because he was thinking about asking the coach about becoming a two-way player. His freshmen year there wasn't much offense and he felt he could contribute. I asked him if he had enough time to do this, and he quickly realized that he didn't have time for two workouts let alone the position...
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Buckeye 2015 ·
A friend's son committed to an SEC school as a HS sophomore. They assured him that it would be possible to play baseball and be a pharmacy major. After fall semester of his freshman year he had already found that what the baseball coaches say and what the academic people (professors) say are two completely different things. One prof just flat out told him "athletes don't take my class" when he tried to explain he was supposed to catch a bullpen. He made it thru his freshman year, but there...
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57special ·
Son's teammate(good hitter) is going to Case Western(D3) for Engineering. There is no doubt that "Student" comes before "athlete", at a school like that. I know that this doesn't directly answer the OP's question.
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RJM ·
A friend’s tounfer brother and a summer teammate of mine one year entered college as an engineering major. The team was coming off a CWS appearance. He left a Education/Phys Ed degree. He was pressured to change his major when he became the closer freshman year. He was sold he was a MLB prospect. I couldn’t see it. He had great stuff and great command. But in the words of Dennis Eckersley he was throwing salad. He was not drafted. He went on to be a gym teacher and a high school basketball...
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backyardonfire ·
Funny you mention that . . . he took the SAT this morning. He has definitely put the work in. Fingers crossed that it pays off.
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old_school ·
Local boy gets recruited to a Patriot engineering school, coach recommended business....engineering wasn’t really an option.
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Frank T. ·
My son initially signed his NLI with a Power 5 school. He wanted to pursue Biology and then apply to Physician Assistant grad programs upon graduation. He was told it would be difficult before he committed but felt he could handle it. Once there in the fall, the mandatory 6 am workouts along with an average of 25- 30 hours each week at the field made it really difficult. Every extra minute was spent studying with very little sleep. In the spring it got worse. There were 4 weeks where the...
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Swampboy ·
I would be reluctant to endorse the generation that it can’t be done at the majority of D1’s. It really depends on the player and the school. Several of my son’s teammates did it. One majored in some kind of life science and went to dental school. My son had extra time on campus because of injury and transfer redshirt years, which enabled him to earn a masters in cyber security and quickly land a cyber security engineer job with a defense contractor.
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MTH ·
Agreed. I would not be too quick to rule out a STEM major at MOST D1's. Yeah, there may be a few school schools where it simply can't be done, by anyone. But, I am convinced that it is possible at MOST D1's. Is it possible for every kid? Of course not, no more than it is possible for every kid to PLAY at a high level D1. But, I am convinced that a lot more kids could do it than currently do. TRUST IN HIM, you nailed it. For the vast majority of schools in the Power 5 conferences, it's all...
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Do Bad High School Stats Matter?

Six-Four-Three ·
Have any of you heard of players who were recruited to play on college teams despite hitting below .200 his junior year in high school? My 2020 has solid measurables for a DIII MIF but couldn't buy a hit the second half of the HS season.
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High Academic minimum requirements

2020-RHP-Dad ·
I'm guessing this could vary quite a bit depending on the school, but for general purposes, what are the minimum (and average) requirements for a baseball player to be considered as a "high academic" recruit or even to attend a "high academic" showcase. Thanks in advance.
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CTbballDad ·
Basically there are 3 tiers for a coach: Tier A/1: You get in on your academic merits Tier B/2: Admissions requires "coach support" Tier C/3: Just not good enough I believe there's quite a bit of latitude with Tier B/2, but there are only so many a coach can use in that Tier. The number of "test optional" schools are growing each year, which can help with the SAT/ACT scores. School profile and class rigor are very important factors. You will need a good number of honors/AP classes, if your...
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JCG ·
High Academic can mean a range of schools. For most of us that means a school that is very hard to get into and is ranked highly by US News, Princeton Review, etc. For example, Tufts comes up here often. The admit rate is 14.6 - very low, though there are some that are lower. If you search their website or Google for the term "student profile", there is usually a page for any school that will show you, at the very least, mean SAT and ACT scores. It would be instructive to look up the numbers...
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fenwaysouth ·
I think you'll find the term "high academic" gets thrown around a lot. People's definition varies. For HA, I look at what is required to get admitted in as a student (not baseball player as you phrased your question) through the general admissions process...lets call that the "Admissions front door". In my son's experience, the part that varied the most is how the Admissions process worked for the recruited athlete...lets call that the "Admissions back door". Again, my son's recruiting...
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Chico Escuela ·
A D3 HA coach told my son and me that GPA is the most important qualifier for him, because by at or near the end of Jr year (when D3 HAs get serious about recruiting), GPA is essentially set and can't change significantly; but a student can always re-take the ACT or SAT. (This was at a school with very high grade and test score averages, and one that does not bend those much at all for athletes, so take that into consideration.)
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anotherparent ·
I agree that at Headfirst there are definitely some schools whose admissions rates are around 30% (and higher), SAT average around 1250, GPA 3.7. There's a reasonably wide range. An easy way to check is to look at the list of schools that will be at Headfirst (they are listed on their website). Google the name of the school + prepscholar, you will get listings of the school's average GPA, SAT/ACT, and admissions rate.
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keewart ·
Son's school was one of the HAs that Fenwaysouth listed in his post, but the acceptance rate is MUCH higher than 15%, mostly because it is a known backup school to the Ivys. Keep that in mind. Many of it's baseball players got in to an Ivy, or applied. In my son's case, baseball may have gotten him in to a school that he may not have gotten in to on his own. We will never know. But, once you get in, even with the coach's help, YOU NEED TO MAKE THE GRADES TO STAY THERE. (Son did, thank...
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Backstop22 ·
There are some good parameters here to give you a general range of what gets a kid in the discussion of being admissible to HA schools. As others indicated, admission rates vary widely even among schools that are considered HA, but test scores and GPA are the criteria that the coaches will consider as the first factors in deciding if a kid should be recruited at a HA school. One HA D3 coach told us he went through a showcase roster that listed the kids academic scores they reported on their...
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RJM ·
In a social situation I crossed paths with the coach of a ranked HA D3. My son was already playing college ball. But I’m always curious to become aware of different situations. The school is considered very challenging academically. The coach told me has grease with admissions for baseball. But only for six players per admissions year. He asks his six prime recruits to apply ED so he knows who’s serious. He doesn’t want to waste a slot sliding a kid through to have him decide to go somewhere...
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Chico Escuela ·
For those who may not realize: There is a big benefit at many of these schools to being a baseball player, even if no athletic scholarship money is in the mix. To take the two examples above, the Prepscholar web site says the Duke ACT mean is 33 and the 25th percentile score is 31. At Penn the corresponding scores are 33 and 32. A non-athlete applying to those schools with a 26 or 27 ACT has essentially zero chance of admission unless he has something else extraordinary going for him (a...
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Smitty28 ·
Ivy's do not give academic money. I didn't think any truly HA school did (since most all applicants are top-shelf anyway). I have seen instances where middle-of-the-pack schools offered substantial academic money to lure top students.
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KLL ·
Do those kids that get in with the lower scores get enough tutoring help to be able to keep their grades up since they’re in classes geared towards the more academically gifted students or is it a constant struggle to remain eligible and obtain a degree?
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Chico Escuela ·
A good question, but I think every student has to address his situation individually. You need to talk with coaches and schools about graduation rates, resources, expectations... Some schools provide tutoring and other academic support specifically for athletes. So far as I know, the schools I would consider true HAs do not--but most of those schools make quite a lot of tutoring and other kinds of support freely available to all students. (It's also true that there is no one definition of...
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PABaseball ·
There aren't any classes geared towards more academically gifted students unless you're in an honors program at the college. The acceptance rates are kept low to keep the schools full of elite students and does not have as much to do with how hard it is once you're there. The difference between a student with a 27 and a 31 or a 32 and a 34 isn't that much of a difference, if at all. I'm sure there are plenty of students with a 24/25 that can manage perfectly fine at plenty of these schools,...
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tequila ·
Good input on responses to this question so far but I thought I'd add my two cents. My 2019 had 3.6 GPA (with a rigorous schedule), a 31 ACT and, after touring Kenyon, Case, Middlebury, Trinity, Wesleyan, and Tufts, made a comment to me that he didn't want to be the "dumbest" one on campus. I thought that was interesting and a pretty good point, though he likely could have gotten in the door to most of these. I was in that boat at his age, having barely gotten into my #1 school of choice,...
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JCG ·
Agreed -- good responses, my two cents is that my kid had a roughly the same HS academics and scores as yours, but did go to a school in the same tier you mentioned. After two years, he's not an academic all american or on the deans list, but he's taking very difficult courses with intense work loads, and he's doing fine with a respectable GPA. As for being the dumbest kid on campus, he'd probably say that's the LAX team. JK - they don't have LAX. If a kid is willing to work hard and can...
 
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