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Re: 2020 Grad- 3B/RHP
Going to agree with the others....there's really no way to know based on numbers alone. Being fast and a good glove won't help if he can't hit. Hitting the cover off the ball and being a 7.5-7.6 kid won't work either. 80 as a freshman RHP is probably the best stat you've mentioned so far...especially for his size. Keep in mind that it's not impossible....but is VERY uncommon to play both ways in college. My son was an all state SS and RHP. Hit .478 with 16 doubles and 4 HR's his senior year.
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Re: 2020 Grad- 3B/RHP
+1 KYLE31, it's still early to conclude much about your son as there's a lot of physical and mental maturing that occurs over the next few year. As other's have mentioned, keep working on the skills . . . particularly those "5 Tools" that are so important where it's good to be really good at just one of those tools.
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Re: 2020 Grad- 3B/RHP
do PO running times matter as much? Im guessing you dont want to be stuck in the mud, but does he need to be sub 7.5?
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The short answer is no. However, college coaches will take a player's 60 time into consideration, as a piece of their eval, when considering a player's overall level of athleticism. (or lack thereof) As with everything, other considerations apply. If he throws 97, he can run a 9 flat 40 time, and still get a lot of love. If he's more of a "stock righty", the balance of all of his attributes will come into comparison with others.
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Re: 2020 Grad- 3B/RHP
Strained, I agree with your whole post with one exception -- the average MLB sixty time is 6.9 - 7.0. That is a 50 grade on the scouting scale (see www.fangraphs.com/blogs/scouti...0-80-scouting-scale/ ). It is impossible that the average MLB time is the same as the minimum time for a D1 recruit. Particulary since the OP's son is not a MIF or CF . . .
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Re: Good Article on Early Commitment
This is exactly what I have been saying for the past two years. This simple decision to allow early LOIs would halt the practice of early recruitment and at least balance the scale between the player and the school.
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Re: Good Article on Early Commitment
Spot on! Especially the dig at decommits. It always gets me when I see the "after considerable thought and prayer" line that inevitably precedes a kid pulling his commitment. It's as if the kid is trying to say, Hey, Coach, you can't think bad of me. I mean, God told me to do it." As if God spoke in his ear and said, "Dude, you shouldn't go to Mississippi State. I mean, have you seen StarkVegas?"
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Re: Good Article on Early Commitment
Fun read. I just read one of those about a local player who decommitted to Coastal Carolina. Speaking of that fine institution, my son's now ex-GF (following 3-4 almost break ups and the drama), basically was told last year (after verbally committing her sophomore year) that they miscalculated the scholarship pool and were cutting her award in half. I think that is a highly questionable mistake but she decommitted and she is still having difficulty finding her academic/softball home for 2017...
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Re: Good Article on Early Commitment
Not really. Up until a NLOI is signed, any verbal agreement is on the honor system. Having said that, it'd be fun if some athlete like that had the stones to sue based on contract law. However, it would be difficult to get around the Statute of Frauds most states have codified which basically requires any contract that cannot be fulfilled within one year to be put in writing.
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Re: Good Article on Early Commitment
Having thought it over for a couple of minutes, though, I believe an athlete could plead e quitable estoppel. An athlete in this position has performed in reliance on the agreement by taking themselves off the market at a considerable expense to themselves. So, as long as the athlete attempted unsuccessfully to find a replacement for their services I would think he could argue that he had suffered irreparable harm. Hmmmm.
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Re: Good Article on Early Commitment
I like the suggestion that the NCAA require an LOI within a short period of time. Nuke also mentioned it in another thread. Anyone know if this is getting any traction with the NCAA ?
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Re: Good Article on Early Commitment
Hilarious take by Duncan. A real situation, I know of several parents where their player has committed early and now they're having anxiety attacks due to the number of recruits the school has taken at the same position.
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Anyone plugged into the football recruiting community? I have heard that football is even worse about early recruiting than baseball, is that community in the same boat, calling for reform on the early commitments?
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Not a chance. The NCAA is virtually nothing about the student athlete. They represent and are run by the universities, who employ the football, basketball...baseball coaches at great expense. They will never, ever enact something that levels the playing field like this unless there is an uprising of parents and players...and that too, will never happen. Parents/players go through this once. They/we are so eager to have our sons and daughters get that offer, make that commitment, tell our...
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Re: Good Article on Early Commitment
Define "worse?" Football coaches actively recruit players already committed to another university. Recruiting sites reporting on virtually every D1 college commonly talk about 'flipping recruits' near the signing day. Coaches even brag about 'flipping Johnny' on signing day when they get one of those. Seems no one is off the board until the LOI is signed. I think, because of even more dependency on physical development for football, that the 8th grade/freshman commit thing is less common in...
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Re: Good Article on Early Commitment
My kids aren't involved in football but we know a kid who is very good. He is either a reclassified 8th grader (in private school now) or a freshman and he has received numerous offers from big programs (UNC, UMD, Penn State, etc.) and has been getting them the past year or so. Lacrosse is another sport that gets kids to commit in middle school. Whether those sports are calling for reform or not, I have no idea.
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Worse, as in, why are their recruiters stalking the 9th grade football practice? 8th graders committing is still not common but not UNcommon in football land. If coaches are still recruiting football players up to LOI signing day then what's the point of committing?
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Primarily because parents and players a) fearing no better will come along, wanna secure an offer in hand, b) wanna brag to friends and family, c) know how the game is played and in turn, 'play the game.' Also, it is not unusual for a big program to drop 'commits' when performance wanes or they need to make room for a bigger commit. Happens many times, every year.
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Re: Good Article on Early Commitment
The kid loses the moral argument and is judged/stoned by the mob despite his reasoning and the college isnt held to any standard when the commit is broken on their end. I understand the excitement on social media to share the verbal, its a new time and these kids live by the minute, but i don't quite get the tweets regarding offers without commitments.
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Re: Good Article on Early Commitment
This article was in our local paper this AM. This is the #1 high school basketball recruit in the country and how she handled "her business". I don't know her, but I'm a big fan wherever she goes. She has a number of quotes in the article that are priceless for anybody going through recruiting at any level. http://www.richmond.com/sports...f5-ae5894254600.html
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Re: Good Article on Early Commitment
If the NCAA was fair and balanced coaches who get programs put on probation wouldn't be allowed to run away to a new, better situation. They would be stuck where they are or have to sit out coaching until the probation expires.
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Re: Good Article on Early Commitment
This is great perspective for a kid being told for years she's the best .. Still, the most important piece of advice Megan Walker has for other high school athletes in similar situations is this: “Don’t let anyone rush you, because you’re the one who has to be there for four years. You need to figure out how that school will benefit you when you’re done. I don’t really know what I want to do after college, I just know I want to go to a school with good academics in case basketball doesn’t...
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Re: Good Article on Early Commitment
My best friends son recently committed as a Senior for D1 football...was recruited by several schools but not hounded until he "committed" then everyone came calling...my limited experience , baseball coaches respect the commitment at least a little more than football.
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Re: Good Article on Early Commitment
I agree, but this too is changing. A few coaches are now being paid over $1M. The stakes are higher than ever, especially with things like conference realignment still on the table. A table that is now spreading wider than just football and basketball success. I already know of a case or two where 'committed' baseball players continued to be pursued and you might even be surprised by who. This practice will only grow. You can count on it.
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Re: Good Article on Early Commitment
My son was a late bloomer but had a great summer season. He's 6'6" 225 rhp throws low 90s, made area code this year. He had offers from a number of schools and went on several official visits. He committed to a Big 10 school and notified all the other schools of his decision. Since committing last week, he has had two schools that have called him and tried to make sure he is happy with his decision. He is, and told them so. I'll be happy when it becomes official. They mentioned that if he...
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Re: Good Article on Early Commitment
By the time the conference realignment dust settles there could be four conferences with two eight team divisions. The revenue for football will be huge. Athletic departments could have more money. College baseball is growing. It could become big. Already $15-20M college baseball stadiums are becoming the norm for recruiting.
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Re: Good Article on Early Commitment
Looks like football may be moving to an earlier signing window: http://footballscoop.com/news/...ding-10th-assistant/
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Re: Good Article on Early Commitment
What is a 72 hour period in June and December going to get them? I don't get it.
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Re: Good Article on Early Commitment
Well, June after junior year would be significantly earlier signing then current practice wrt to football, which is early February of senior year. Not exactly allowing early binding commitments/NLIs at any time, but it is much earlier than current practice. I agree that December vs. February of senior year is no big difference.
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Call me cynical, but I think Dec benefits the schools, not the students. There are actually a decent number of mid-year JuCo transfers in football. A kid plays 2 seasons of JuCo football, graduates (insert jokes here), and is on a D1 campus for spring workouts. Midyear JuCo transfers sign in Dec. Schools probably want another chance to sign high school kids at that time before committing to the JuCo kids. Or they can use the threat of signing a JuCo transfer to nudge the high school kid.
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Re: Good Article on Early Commitment
Saw a discussion of this on ESPNU. Hardly a passed initiative. Lots of amendments already proposed including an 'escape clause' if coach is fired, for example. They had comments from a few unnamed coaches. SEC coach thought it would force college coaches to be more thoughtful about giving offers (good IMO). Big10 coach thought it was a big mistake - he needs more time to evaluate during senior year. Pac12 coach called it a "game-changer." Based on the discussion, I think a lot will have to...
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Re: Standardized Testing in Baseball
Thank you for the questions! Data would be sent through a database that will be accessed by coaches from around the country. Once we have gained some traction and have enough players in the system, we would be able to give player suggestions to schools based on the batted ball metrics. A sort of "match-maker" if you will. In my discussions with coaches, they have a hard time trusting the data being emailed to them. With our system, they will know that the data is credible and in a...
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“…..that would include all data being sent to coaches from around the country.” This is the limiting step for most players. You can collect all of the data in the world and have the most perfect “test” conceivable but it doesn’t matter unless the right coach sees it, believes it and acts upon it. So before you ask for a page full of personal information from players and parents, perhaps you could share the following: A. How will you send the data to coaches around the country? B. How will...
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The value of a single batted ball, or 5, off a tee is basically zero. I would argue the same is true of a batted ball traveling at 85 mph with a known spin rate. When you add thousands of batted balls by thousands of players it becomes a basis for comparisons, which is exactly what you proposed doing. Coaches may not yet value the data from the tech cage but note that it’s in beta now. The current perceived value by coaches may well be attributed to where any given coach sits on the adoption...
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I am absolutely not trying to eliminate the jobs of any scouts or anything. Traditional scouting helped me a lot as a player. I am just thinking about a standardized test because the data and technology is available. Scouts and coaches will always have final say, but using the technology available in a controlled environment to evaluate a player can do nothing but help the player promote himself and help coaches trust the data they receive.
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During our 17 years of Area Code games and 24 years of International Goodwill Series which included evaluations of 40,000 players. The selection of the competitive player was the judgement of a trusted Pro Scout and a player & parent interview. Bob
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What you plan is the "open the front door" &/or "get to first base". The player needs 4 of 6 tools to get to home plate. Bob
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Sorry I'm confused...... Can you explain the process of standardizing a "hitting test"??? After all, I've seen a lot of cage warriors come and go.
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@LVeinbergs said "From my experience, the data most valuable to coaches when recruiting is the basics: EV, Distance, bat speed (maybe), some game stats, and video." I'd largely agree with all this. Your problem is all this information is already available and through any number of organizations/avenues. I am all for ideas and innovation (and dreaming big), but I don't like your chances in the slightest in getting anywhere with this. Are PG, PBR, etc all perfectly standardized? Nope. But...
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My kids are done playing, graduated and are young adults in the real world now. I also played college ball. I did read the survey questions out of curiosity. You could get very different responses based on how connected to reality is the respondent. How are you going to know who is grounded to reality in a survey? Some of the questions would become long discussion threads on this board. From having coached softball from 7/8 rec through 18u Gold, baseball from 7/8 rec through 16u and played...
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If you want more feedback you need to scale your survey down to the information that is relevant to your initial research. The survey as it sits feels like a data mining attempt. Making my email address a required field is an immediate hard no. As to the marketability of this “standardized test”, you don’t have a product. Your potential value propositions and target audiences are: A: Parents- The value proposition here would be the ability to match their kid to a receptive and appropriate...
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Check out the vendors at the ABCA Convention 2022, this will provide help you gauge where the trends might be going. https://www.abca.org/ABCA/Even...53-b9c3-8735f9e604e2 There is also a company called statstak https://www.statstak.io/ that I see Josh Rudd promoting. Don't know if this is exactly what you are trying to accomplish, but you should confirm. Good luck
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LVeinbergs, I think your heart is in the right place, and your idea of a standardized baseball skill test is great in theory. College baseball recruiting is not a one-size fits all experience. I don' think any college coach is going to believe a standardized test more than his own eyes or his recruiting coaches eyes. Recruiting is their lifeblood, career and their paycheck. That is not going to change overnight. Do I see a standardized baseball skills test augmenting or possibly replacing...
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Standardized Testing in Baseball
Hi Everyone, From what I have seen on these message boards, there is a lot of concern regarding college recruiting. Whether it is how to get recruited, where to get recruited, etc. there is a lot of confusion and grey area. One thing that I believe could help high school athletes get recruited is a standardized test of sorts. What are your thoughts on this sort of thing? I would love to hear any input you all have and have created a google form to keep responses organized.
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Thanks for the input, it really is valuable. I just like to have discussions about baseball and thought this sort of standardized test would spark some conversation. I recognize that PBR and Perfect Game run the show and dominate the market. With that said, they still run on the old model of overcrowded "pro style" showcases with a little new technology sprinkled in. I highly doubt any coaches look at the K-vest data from the PG tech cage. The market is saturated with baseball products, but...
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Re: Standardized Testing in Baseball
The standardized test would include a standard set of pitches (ex. 10 rounds of 5) with each round focusing on one thing (3 fastball rounds, 2 breaking ball rounds, etc.). Each pitch in each round would be identical (every FB @ 85mph 2200RPM for example). The batted balls would be recorded for exit velo, distance, etc. and those results would drive the rankings. I am talking to coaches and travel coaches as well but wanted to specifically get parent insight because they would be the ones...