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Re: Standardized Testing in Baseball
I agree, there are many many steps to getting recruited. Video, watching live games, coach/scout recommendations, etc. are all very important to recruiting. I am just thinking a standardized test could be one more avenue that a player could take to get his name/data/video in front of coaches. I absolutely agree with you RJM, many parents see their sons as much better players than they truly are. The way I see it, an objective standardized test can be very black and white with these parents.
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LV how do you measure the 6 tools for a player? Your questionnaire does not ask about two sport players. Bob
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The test as it sits is just for hitting. Measures power via hard hit %, contact via contact %.
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Is the target audience college coaches or parents/players? Many PG tournaments now record every single pitch- speed, type or pitch and result. Stat lines/box scores for both pitchers and hitters are already out there. A hitters BA and to a degree power (via type of hit) are all recorded. It wouldn’t take much for them to point another gun at the batter. Heck, they can add a Rapsoda. Currently, on a players profile, everyone can see their metrics rank compared to class. I agree with 22and25...
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I agree with this, but many on here would say it can't be done, because the numbers don't line up with levels, or because of the 6th tool. Anyway, doing that would be more like individual consulting, than data on a large scale. Or, if it's large scale, and you're just going to tell a player that 83 EV=D3, how would that be different from what you can find, for example, on NCSA's website?
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The final "score" would be based on all metrics that are measured. It wouldn't be as linear as the 83-D3, 88=D2, 90+=D1, so on and so forth. Contact %, hard hit %, etc. would help paint a better picture of a hitter's abilities. I just recently read about "Smash Factor" from Driveline. That number is supposedly the best way to measure quality of contact. These slightly more advanced and detailed numbers would create a better comprehensive score. No ranking system will ever be perfect because...
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One of the nice things about the SAT is that you don’t have to send it to a school unless you like the score. I would think that if this was a low cost way to get metrics that you could choose to make public or not…but that the player could use to get a rough idea where they stand…it could be very helpful. I agree with the rest that the actual true recruiting would still require in game observation, connections, etc. but one of the beauties about the college process for NARPs is that there...
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PTWood, that is a great idea! Thank you! I hadn't thought about that. I took the ACT 5 times in high school and only sent my best score to the schools I was hoping to get into. That would be a great option for athletes to choose after their test. If they feel like they rocked it, then they can send the score. If they really sucked that day, they can keep the results private.
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Ideally, we would be able to identify your best fit school with the comprehensive standardized score. This would be really helpful if we were able to get some example scores from current players at those schools. Ex. Get all of Iowa's hitters through the test to get their scores. That would help the coaches find replacements for the guys they're losing and would help high school players compare themselves to D1, D2, D3 scores. These would be in no way completely limiting, players with lower...
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Here is an example of what I am seeing more often along these lines. Club teams partnering with PBR (in this case) to do a scout day with published Trackman data from the event. For hitters they are publishing : Avg exit velo Peak exit velo Average batted ball distance https://www.prepbaseballreport...Man-Files-7394261085
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Yes, I was saying there isn’t a tool that attempts to use a lot of the same data (not just for coaches) to help parents narrow target schools. There is a data tool called CollegeVine that attempts to give parents more info about target schools based on (academic) profile. Not saying it is easy or even accurate to do, just saying that’s an area I don’t see much help and the available data is piling up. For the vast majority of families with an excellent HS player who wishes to play college...
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There is no such thing as a D-1 swing or D-3 swing. The results are what matters. That is the beauty of this standardized test idea. IF you hit the ball 100mph, you are objectively rewarded for that. You can have a terrible swing but if you crush the ball, you are ranked higher. As we all know, typically a good swing produces good results, but players shouldn't be ranked based on appearances, just production. I'm not knocking traditional baseball and projectability or scouts' eyes and...
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@fenwaysouth wrote “ anything can be measured. whether or not it’s meaningful is another matter.” This is the absolute truth. The metrics that so many are focused on achieving DO NOT necessarily translate to being a player that will be sought after. What makes a player recruitable is being a really productive player in game situations, which is something a coach has to see with his own eyes.
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Yes, two kids my son played with and against had great swings but missed on all the other metrics including size. One was a D2 All American and went undrafted. One was a D3 All American and went undrafted.
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I've been thinking about this. Obviously an SAT/ACT score doesn't tell you what the best school for you is, although it can suggest a range. And, the higher the level, the more selective the school can be. So, e.g. if you have a 35 ACT you have an 87% chance of getting into UConn but a 6% chance of getting into Yale. I assume it would work the same for baseball test scores. But, much of this information is already out there, if players or coaches want it. PG/PBR collect enough numbers to...
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Successful teams have 12-15 players who can compete at the level required by the Coaches. These players have the 6th Tool. How does the Coach determine the 6th Tool? Can it be measured? Bob
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I completely agree that the final piece to the puzzle is what is between the ears. In my opinion, that is what separates good from great but physical attributes open doors. A kid can be an absolute bulldog, but if he doesn't throw hard enough or produce results, he isn't even looked at by higher level schools. More or less there is a physical floor that must be met to open doors to college.
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Tommy would suggest “robots “ to play the game with “robot” umpires! any psychological testing? Bob
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Like many, I just got this PG email. To follow up on 22and25’s post, the big wallets are well on their way here: “ CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa – Perfect Game today announced that its innovative, data-capturing, PG Tech, aced its beta testing phase in 2021, and will now be rolled out and available for use by amateur baseball players participating in more than 140 of its showcase baseball events in 2022. Developed and launched in partnership with leading sports technology company, K-Motion, PG Tech...
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@ LVeinbergs There is a lot to this thread. Simple question, is your product/service an aspirin or vitamin? Here is my simple answer, if you have something that is unique, has future value, has the proverbial high entry barrier and you can quickly prototype. Then you will have the potential of selling the product as a feature that could be used in a bigger platform. You might have multiple decision points. Understand it might be a 3 to 5 year journey.
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As far as I know PG has never missed an opportunity to fleece the general public. No surprise that they are on the leading edge of gimmicky metrics that mean nothing to 80% of the players chasing them because those players aren’t high level prospects and they never will be.
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Reminds me of a conversation that I had with my wife circa 2005: ME: I'm thinking I want to start a new business. I'd sign up a bunch of IT people and do group marketing with a consumer friendly brand. We'd become THE trusted name for computer and IT support. HER: You mean like Geek Squad? ME: Doh!
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I filled out the survey. Is my $50 Home Depot gift card in the mail?
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Hi Everyone, Thank you so much for all of your input and wanted to say I've really enjoyed this discussion. I would love for it to continue but would also like to take this time to revert everyone back to the initial survey. I have changed up the questions a bit and would love to hear what y'all have to say. Once again the link is: https://forms.gle/bTNoxQYy65xduWyr7 Thanks in advance, all input is greatly appreciated!
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@ LVeinbergs Good article. https://themaneater.com/former...ity-gap-in-baseball/ Good luck with you endeavors Make sure that you attend the 2022 ABCA Convention
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PBR NC/SC Border Battle
Wondering if anyone has any opinions about some of the PBR invite only events? Son got invited to NC/SC Border Battle based on (at least that is what they say) how he did in the first PBR event we went to earlier this year prior to his Sophomore HS season. He did do well at that showcase as had top catcher throwing velo in the event and was also named one of the event's top pitchers but not sure if this is just a money grab or will actually help him with the recruiting process. He is a 2024.
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The PBR invite only events are the ones that are really worth going to - provided that they really are invite only & that it’s a limited list of invitees.
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@gch4 Our son did the South Atlantic Border Battles at the end of Sept of 2019 (he was a 2021). It was a good experience for him.
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Agree. PBR true invite only events are best deal. But know that all invite only are not really invite only or the reality is they invite about 1,000 kids. I would think this one is pretty good.