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Re: Committing Early
Attrition or release does give them that money every year. All programs are different, some coaches spend all of their money on pitchers, some give more to offense.
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Some numbers from a recent Division I SAAC Early Recruiting Survey. http://www.ncaa.org/about/reso...search?sf122433248=1
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Great graphic. Son committed first day of junior year of HS. He dodged the HC interviewing or named in several jobs and HC turned down at least one job and likely two. He didn’t dodge the PC leaving 11 days before signing day his senior year. All has worked out fine but talk about anxious times
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Somewhere I referenced a local kid, no names, I knew who had committed to a perennial top 10 / WS regular in August prior to 10th grade. I said he was very talented, lazy and exactly not what every college baseball person said you needed to be....fast forward to September of 2017 and lo and he behold he has "decided" to "reopen" his recruiting process. I don't know the details and have no interest in finding them out, at some point I am sure I will hear the truth, but it really sucks for...
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It also could have been avoided if the parent(s) and kid did their recruiting research and due diligence. Caveat emptor. Responsibility starts in the mirror. I've seen this story before and it is a bad situation. There is a lot of blame, but I'm sorry it has to start with the recruit and his family.
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Couldn't it also have been avoided if the kid did the work he needed to do?
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yes to both of your comments, that was part of my point. The kid and his parents never should have put him there, he is not a top student and never was. The school is pretty highly ranked academically and he never should have looked at by the coach. And to top it off the kid never had a good attitude, he was always a selfish player. He is / was a hell of a player...and ultimately that was about the only thing anyone seemed to care about or at least so it seems.
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Old-School, As I stated earlier I've seen these situations before. Hopefully the recruit and family learned something, were slightly humbled by it, and can move on. Many times another school will learn of the situation and give the kid an opportunity because of his skill set. It isn't the end of the world. Possibly the worst thing would have been for the kid to go to his original school, struggle academically, lose a year of eligibility, and be put in a difficult transfer situation. Because...
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ive mentioned it before but I know a kid that commited to top 1 or 2 SEC school after freshman yr, was 6"5 220 he threw 20 pitches in game all over 90 mph hit 93 but only threw 4 strikes. Now after pretty good high school career, pitched no hitter in state championship last summer but did seem to wilt a lot at big PG events SEC school advised him to look around and he finally decommited. Recently got offer from top 1 or 2 team in big 12, with a lot better academic reputation as well so I...
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The college programs have ALL the leverage in the current recruiting process - save for multiple schools recruiting a kid. Once the kid commits...well, it's a one-way commitment. My 2018 could tell some tales.
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Re: 8th Annual Best of the 757 Baseball Showcase @ Virginia Wesleyan
Originally Posted by BOT757: THE OPPORTUNITY: Top players regionally, as well as state-wide, will be invited to perform and showcase their talents at the 2015 Best of the 757 Baseball Camp & Showcase . In its 8 th year, the event has been modified and will include 2-days of activities, where players will get to play in front of a large contingent of scouts, major college baseball programs, and other baseball decision-makers; participate and be measured in baseball specific athletic...
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Re: 8th Annual Best of the 757 Baseball Showcase @ Virginia Wesleyan
We've invited over 350 college coaches to attend, and we'll be releasing attendance by mid-October and then again at the end of the month. The staff from Virginia Wesleyan will also be helping with the event. Additionally, all testing results will be sent to over 500 DI, DII, DIII and Junior College baseball coaches.
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Evan Kirsch, Assistant Coach at Delaware St. (D1) just confirmed his attendance. Evan will also be one of the coaches helping work the showcase.
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Spencer Martin, Head Coach at Methodist University (D3) just confirmed his attendance. More colleges are committing each day, so stay tuned for additional updates!
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Frank Leoni, Head Coach at Marymount University, just confirmed his attendance. Stay tuned for additional updates!
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Current list of colleges who have committed to attend: - Bridgewater - Delaware State University - Dickinson College - Eastern Mennonite - Geneva College - Marymount University - Methodist University - Randolph Macon - Virginia Wesleyan College (Stay tuned as we are adding colleges every day!)
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Gain skills and be seen by over a dozen colleges who have already committed to attend -- including CNU, Norfolk State and Virginia Wesleyan. Results sent to over 500 colleges, and complete coverage by VirginiaPreps.com and WTKR! 2015 BOT757 Fall Baseball Camp & Showcase at Virginia Wesleyan (Oct 31/Nov 1): http://bestofot.com/757/event/2015-baseball-showcase/
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Tompkins Cortland College (upstate NY) just confirmed
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Re: Getting on Radar as Soph.
My 2019 RHP topped 82 as a sophomore, but not as tall as your son. Here's the path we took (everyone's is different): Played legion summer of rising sophomore and junior year, focusing on developing his craft Attend college camps in fall, after developing list of interested schools, continue email dialogue Played regional travel team and attended camps summer of rising junior year Son received multiple D1 and NESCAC offers. Sounds like the first bullet above may be important for your son, as...
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Hi and welcome to the posting side. Considering he is targeting IVY or HA D3, he has time. Combining that with the concerns you state about "playing to please rather than himself", I would continue to be patient. While baseball can help get students into certain schools, you know well that it is a heavy commitment and the desire needs to exceed the notion of using it as a vehicle to get in. No doubt you are plenty capable of evaluating the numbers, skill set and projectability. I suspect he...
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I assume you have the academics part of the equation down, but I'd have him taking the SAT/ACT as soon as possible once he's ready. Also, since you're in Maryland, there are ample opportunities for quick trips to visit lots of HA's (which seem to concentrate in the East). That will help determine the type of school he thinks he likes. Rather than showcase before he has something which stands out, I'd pay instead for top of the pack personal PC and strength trainer skilled in pitchers. My son...
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Thanks guys for the quick responses. My experience (graduated HS in 1991) was you play high school, play legion, hit a few area camps. For me, I performed well at a few camps and got an offer. It seemed much more casual than the baseball machine that exists today. It's nice to see alternative paths still exist. In the end, we're really lucky to have a good, smart kid with some choices to make. If he decides to go for it, I just want him to understand what it will take, i.e. make an informed...
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Noted on the velo Gooseg. I watch a lot of SEC and ACC baseball. They might look for 90+, but a lot of RHP I see are mid to high 80s. But you're right, low to mid 80's back in the day could get you in at a mid to lower level DI program as a RHP. Not so much today.
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So, there are a couple things your son is going to need to do to get an Ivy coach's attention. He's going to have to nail his SAT/ACTs and then demonstrate he's got the stuff to compete at the mid to low D1 level. To accomplish these things he is going to need to take care of business and focus over the next 15 months. For a HA D3 he would have more time probably 18 months. But the bottom line is this is not easy stuff, he has to have something tangible to show any college coach. For your...
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Fenway makes a great point about leading with academics; it's logistically so much easier to start with a pile of guys who have a shot of admission (as athletes) and find the baseball skills than the other way around. With that thought in mind, on all campus visits son had a sealed envelop of grades and scores (updated as he aged) to give to any baseball coach he ran into; on every campus visit on our college route he would take a whack at seeing the baseball department (alone). Tail end of...
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I recommend taking the SAT and ACT as soon as possible (summer/fall) and make sure he takes at least some challenging AP and/or Honors classes in his junior year while maintaining a high GPA. We found with our son that being able to demonstrate to HA coaches that the academic eligibility component was taken care of prior to/early in the junior year was a big advantage. They were primarily interested in weighted GPA. If your son wants to pursue it, try to attend a HA camp, such as HeadFirst,...
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Hey, couple more things...Aren't PSAT scores good enough if in 1400-1450 range to show IVY coaches? Does it have to be actual SAT? We'd prefer him to prep and take SAT in spring of Junior year. Also, what are thoughts on doing showcases PO versus PO and position as it pertains to the pitcher athlete perception. My kid has played varsity since freshman year and has been blocked in OF by upper classman so he's sort of become a PO but still has ability (not DI level) as hitter/OF. Curious to...
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Yes, they look at sophs. There are a few posters on HSBBWeb that have shared their recruiting situations with me over the years. Ivys look at many, many recruits because they have to. If a young recruit is demonstrating D1 level capabilities and has taken the SAT or ACT to meet their requirements they are going to want to talk. Remember, the Ivys are competing against other D1 schools for talent.
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I know nothing about IVYS. Summer before freshman year in high school, his youth coach told us he could play college baseball and would likely start for HS the next year. I got on this site and started doing research. When he actually DID become a starting pitcher the next year, we told son the following: If you want to do the work to get to college baseball, here's the deal. We will finance showcases, a travel team, some camps, etc. IF you do the work of arranging lessons, put what you...
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Thanks. Are PSAT scores in consideration in lieu of ACT/SAT? How are grades evaluated?
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Re: when to take the tests. As soon as he has a shot at the score needed - the earlier the better. There is no penalty to taking multiple tests. The earliest ACT test, I believe, is September; that gives him the summer to study. Waiting until spring could mean a testing logjam if he needs to take the ACT/SAT again (a very normal occurance), plus multiple AP tests, plus HS baseball. There are 56 kids per year getting into the IVIes for baseball; the competition for one of those spots is as...
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Trying to take SAT/ACT tests in the spring or summer is very difficult, because baseball is played on most Saturdays. Is he going to skip a game? For Ivies and other high-academics you will also have to figure out a time to take SAT subject tests, that eats up another Saturday test date. The fall and winter are much easier to schedule (unless your son is playing football). For that matter, if you play in fall baseball tournaments/showcases, that eats yet more Saturdays. So, there are really...
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I believe at least some of the Ivies no longer require subject tests. Doesn't mean a kid shouldn't take them, but I don't believe they are required, at least not at all. My guess is it would be easy enough to research on the admissions site for each school. The earlier the better on the SAT in terms of baseball timing. The Ivy timeline appears to be moving up in an effort to keep up with earlier and earlier baseball recruiting and commitment in general.
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Travel coaches are typically the most often conduit for the early commit process. School shows interest by contacting the travel coach. Sometimes it's HS coach, but that's pretty rare, and I think probably getting even less common as the years go by.
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As a parent getting to this site early in your son's recruiting will benefit your son and provide reason & sanity in your household. You'll be able to gather intel to help guide your motivated son. Please know that your son is early in the process; any kids you see committing as a Freshman or Sophomore are taking themselves off the "recruiting market" at the advantage of the college who "verbally" offered. There are exceptions. Early communication by a college coach is typically...
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TONS of great information on the board. If you have time, please search through some old threads (hopefully some folks can recall some good ones off the top of their head and post links) and these will walk you through how contact usually gets made (travel coach), but also on how to get your kid ready for the first outgoing call they make and how to prepare for some of the basic questions (things like how to respond when asked what other colleges you are looking at or speaking with). Some...
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Thanks for the replies, I will definitely use the search tool. As for his circumstances; we are in Southern Missouri and have a well known travel program in our area. He has played on a "Majors" level independent team for the last couple years (11U AAA, 12U AAA, 13U majors, 14U majors USSSA). My son is very lucky to have an experienced and knowledgeable high school coach. I have confidence in his development ability and he schedules showcase type tournaments if the ability level of the boys...
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Grades, study skills, lots of reading are equally important. Start getting a handle on the quality of the HS guidance counselor. Make sure your son is taking the hardest classes he can successfully navigate. Begin to get a handle on the colleges you can afford and which may interest you (the list will evolve up until the end). Use every family trip to drop by a college (any college will do) so your son can begin to get a feel. A 2020 has the chance to really push his academics; the higher...
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My son and I wrote his initial email to coaches together and we worked on sending them together (to almost 200 coaches at all levels). We talked about what coaches might want to know about him, and did what we called "practice visits" to local colleges to get a sense of what he wanted to know about schools and programs. He had a couple of coaches contact him through his high school coach (son is a 2018) before they could officially talk to him, but he has pretty much handled all...
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This week PG is letting everyone have full access to the site, it's their Holiday present to the baseball community and it's awesome. Having said that,what is listed for the class of 2020 is from a very very very small group of participants and not indicative of what that class actually has going on. PG can only correlate what they have seen and measured and in an average PG event the 60 times and OF velocities aren't measured. Those are only done during things like showcases and the BCS. I...
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I like this portion of what you said "...don't really want him caught up in the hype of the PBR or PG rankings, recruiting sites etc" Truth is many good players never get ranked simply because they don't attend PBR or PG events. How can someone really say "Player X is the number one player in Virginia". That statement can in no way be validated unless every baseball player in Virginia was assessed. What I wonder is how many players go onto to the next level without ever attending one of...
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There are two things I think you need from PBR or PG or similar events. One is a sense of how you compare to other players of your age and position. It's how you determine if you really are D1 material--or not. Second is measurables. It matters to have a third party say you run so fast or hit so hard. You can get both of those things without getting wrapped up in ratings. You, as parents, just have to keep your heads.
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Redsdad....the OP's son doesn't just want to play at the next level, he wants to play D1. While I agree 100% it is entirely possible to move onto playing baseball in college without attending a PBR/PG event I'm just not certain how many players can move onto playing D1 without attending ANY of these events. Out of the 17 players your organization assisted, how many went D1?
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My son did. But, he was a LHP. Didn't intentionally avoid PBR or PG, it just happened that way.
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I've know plenty of kids that reached D1 level without PBR or PG. Going directly to local and regional camps, and specific college camps.
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Very good advice so far, as usual. Support him throughout the process. Don't get caught up with the "We" vs "He" criticisms. Do your job as a parent and help him learn along the way. Most HS kids don't act like 40 year old men. Talk to your travel coach and leverage his network. Define your targets and be honest in your self evaluation. I would suggest PG or PBR events for the potential exposure, especially Ft Myers and Jupiter. Have fun, hold on and understand there is no handbook.
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First off those are some great numbers for your son kudos! Second I would start thinking about showcasing if my son had those numbers. The pitch velocity might be borderline for a showcase but that exit velocity is huge!! And Gov, I also see a fair amount of kids who go D1 without showcasing but it's generally local kids and not necessarily too of the roster kids. If you have the D1 dream it's very very helpful to do PBR or PG. And honestly not to give PG a free plug but they have become so...
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Does PG allow a player to have exit velocity measured and posted outside of a showcase? I thought I saw where you could pay a small fee at Lakepoint and have this measured - assumed it got passed along to PG and posted.
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Me too, Gov. Not just college camps, but being seen on their travel team or even (hard as it might be to believe!) their high school team. There is a regional component to this, I think. PBR is big in certain states, and completely non-existent in others. PG is omnipresent in the Southeast, but not nearly as big in the West. OTOH, I know a number of kids ranked highly by PG who have never played a PG event . . .