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Re: inner elbow pain 13 yr old
He may very well have fully recovered until it happened again. Make sure he is seeing a sports ortho, they are generally better than a genetic ortho. They have seen this more and therefor have more experience. I saw the most arm issues in 12u-13u. It seemed like a kid a week was unable to pitch. I also saw several go down with growth plate issues because of how they were throwing compounded with how they were growing. Have you had his mechanics evaluated? Also, some kids are just stretchier...
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I don't think his throwing mechanics are flawed but I am no throwing expert. Not saying his mechanics can't be improved. In our baseball circle of friends/coaches, we are around a former high school coach, several former high level D1 players and a former minor league player. None of them have said anything to me about his throwing mechanics being flawed so I am assuming no issues there.
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"I saw the most arm issues in 12u-13u" are you in the medical field....dr./PT?
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I definitely agree re: seeing a sports orthopedist. My son and my daughter (soccer player, knee injury) each initially saw a pediatric orthopedic specialist. He is well-regarded; but for both my kids, being subsequently seen by an orthopod who specializes in athletic injuries was far more helpful. Mechanical flaws may not be apparent to someone watching your son throw. A good physical therapist will check the flexibility and strength of various muscles and joints for imbalances. I have no...
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Not to set off alarm bells, because I know "little league elbow" is not the end of the world. Back in the day, as an RHP, I threw with a sore elbow as a youngster and in HS all the time and then was 100% pain free all through college. But, these are different times. I would get an MRI ASAP. My RHP son (now a sophomore at a D1) had soreness in his inner elbow on and off from about 8th grade on. We rested it, would shut him down as needed and he then felt fine. I know at times he threw through...
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You may want to call Randy Sullivan at the Florida Baseball Ranch. He is good at eliminating arm pain.
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This reminds me: As the parent of a young player with arm pain, you will find a LOT of differing advice. There just isn't much of a consensus out there about this stuff (even among MLB clubs and players who have millions of dollars at stake). It can be frustrating. Which is another reason I wish the OP all the best in deciding what to do about your son. (No opinion intended about the comment I'm replying to here. It just made me think about how many sources I consulted about my son, and how...
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It is much harder to accomplish than it seems. Players NEED a minimum of 4 weeks to build up a base before throwing at 100%. Starting at 45 ft and 50 % day 1 and movi g back to max effort long toss by end of week 4.
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Nope, just a mom who was hyper conscious of arm issues. My son was a prime candidate. At 12u he was already 5'7 and throwing 70mph. He's big and throws hard are the kiss of death for arm issues. As to the no one has told you he has issues with his throwing....have you asked? Our society as a whole is apathetic at times. If I saw a near high schooler throwing wonky I would think "that kid throws weird, I assume someone has told him and that's just a weird natural arm slot or...
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"[A]fter he released the ball he was doing something weird with his arm." Was it the "backward C?"
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Sharing a couple of paragraphs from article by Mike Reinold: "We are starting to see the results of what these kids did 10 years ago. The excessive pitching from youth and high school baseball is catching up. There is a lifespan on your ligament. Many kids are injuring themselves as kids and may not even know it. Remember that week your elbow was soreness in High School? Yup, that may have been the beginning. In addition to avoiding overuse, which has repetitively been proved to be the #1...
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The instructor told my kid what he did wrong, worked with him for 30 minutes. Instructor and kid said they understood the problem. I paid the man and the pain went away. That's the extent of my knowledge. :- )
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First question to ask the coaches is why are the asking him to drop down and throw from the side. I would get that answer and evaluate it - then decide your course of action.
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Tell them to pound sand. Listen to your kid and his arm. What hurts and where? Why can't he pitch 3/4? Do they want the other look or is there more to the story? Will he lose mound time if he doesn't conform? At that point, you need to eval what you want to do and what his potential in on the team.
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I know a few HS coaches that have a strong tendency... when they see 3/4, they want to take them all the way down to make them specialty guys. This has generally been an effective strategy. But, of course, arm health should always come first. Some make the adjustment with no issue, some do not. The transition should be introduced with some gradual ramping. Many here will not agree with me but there is a difference between some soreness and pain. Pain is a clear indicator. Some soreness can...
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A little backstory. He has been a really good pitcher since age 11. He played in A fall prep league a year before Starting H.S. and his freshman year competing with area Jv players and he has finished 1 and 2 in all categories. He is on Varsity this year and it is a young team predominantly sophomores. They had 9 or 10 seniors quit prior to tryouts this season. Most people say it was because of the coach. My gut tells me the coaches are trying to take sophomore pitchers and drop them sidearm...
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TO me the only reason to drop a guy down is because he's proven he can't get guys out any other way. Basically a last ditch effort. After that is knuckleballer!
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First, success and stats from age eleven through JV are irrelevant to the situation. Coaches look at mechanics, metrics and potential upside. The coach is telling your son he doesn’t see him becoming an effective pitcher unless he can be turned into a specialist who can get out a couple of hitters coming from a different angle. If it’s pitch in pain or don’t pitch you don’t pitch. It’s not as if some GM is staring him down about not getting his monies worth on a million dollar contract.
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What is your son's FB velocity at this point (before the sidearm switch)? If it's me and my son had a chance to play in college as a pitcher, I'd be very much against this change. A kid throwing sidearm is looked at as a novelty by college coaches....not as a true pitching prospect, unless he is unbelievably good. My thought is unless your son is throwing in the upper 60's or low 70's, which isn't going to get varsity guys out anyway I'd really have to consider talking to the coach....both...
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There is no way I would let a pitching coach make that big of a change without understanding the why? I recommend that your son talk with coach and ask him why? Tell your son to share with coach about arm pain. Speak with your son after they talk. If you are not happy with reasoning behind change, ask for meeting via email or phone. Be prepared with specific questions and your plan, should you not agree. There are some great coaches out there who make these decisions based on mechanics and...
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He just turned 16 and he throws upper 70's average and has just started hitting lower 80's some. He has tremendous accuracy and really good ball movement. I am perplexed because no other coaches have tried to change him and he was really successful his Freshman season.
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As has been said, short of talking to the coach and asking why, everything else is just noise. Get the answers and then determine the best course of action. Good luck.
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Thanks for input. His coach said he wanted him to throw sidearm to be more effective for this season. They only have 1 senior and 1 junior picher. The rest are Sophomores. They are working on the other sophomores to throw more sidearm as well.He is playing for Rawlings this Summer so I think I will arrange a session with the pitching coach. Again thanks for input!
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How tall is he? You? His mother? There may be some projecting going on.
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He is 5'11" now if like me he will grow 2-3 more inches before said and done. I have 5 sons and the two who are over 18 are 6 ft +
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"They are working on the other sophomores to throw more sidearm as well." It sounds like one or more of these coaches are for some reason enamored with side arm pitching and the situation has little to nothing to do with developing your son's individual pitching ability or promoting his future success at the next level. Combined with their cavalier attitude toward his arm pain (always a red flag), I would be seriously concerned if I were in your position. I agree with other posters that step...
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A 5'11 16 year old that's in the low 80's in February of his sophomore year?? Only 1 explanation.....your coach is an idiot
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I was thinking this last night. I was curious to see if someone else would post it. A soph throwing 80 and going to grow to 6’1” is a solid candidate to be throwing mid 80’s by senior year if he puts in the work.
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I hope so. He loves pitching over any other position and starting to see more strength and size since weight training and pitching work kicked in again. A little roadblock with the attempt to change delivery but we will see after a few games if they will pitch him any or be headstrong since he told them throwing sidearm hurts.
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Personally I would schedule a meeting with this coaches and your son and find out why they want him to throw side arm and more than likely tell them your not comfortable changing his arm angle. They certainly don't need a whole roster of side armers.
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I'm also a parent of a 2020 pitcher, 3/4 slot, with similar stats. In my opinion, and it may not be a popular one. You don't screw with things that hurt, PERIOD. If they wanted him to get stronger he can do that with specific weight exercises, he doesn't have to screw with his entire mechanics. Again, my opinion that may not be popular, High School Coaches are supposed to make SLIGHT tweaks to a kid, not change his entire delivery. If you don't want his summer to be messed up soon I suggest...
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Cabbage wrote (paraphrased) “ PLENTY of HS coaches are more than qualified to make more than a tweak of an adjustment to a pitching motion.” Thats true, but even more are not qualified- way more don’t know pitching than do. See it every freakin’ day.
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Congrats CaCo, you have learned that the correct terminology is “arm slot” not “elbow angle.” 😀
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Somebody are their grumpy sarcastic Wheaties today. There is an arm slot, there is an elbow angle, and the two should never meet....
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Re: inner elbow pain 13 yr old
You all will not believe this. My son went through with the rehab process like a champ return to play two weekends ago and looked great. Well...this past week at the football spring game he severely dislocated the elbow of his throwing arm. It was a horrible thing to even look at. He had surgery yesterday morning to insert a screw to reattach the medial epicondyle. The ortho says the way his arm (medial epicondyle) broke, probably saved the ligaments/tendons on the inner part of his elbow.
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I am so sorry for your son and for you. I have been there as a parent--it is really hard. All I can suggest is to tell your son it's ok to be upset about the injury and to encourage him through treatment and rehab. My oldest eventually gave up competitive sports after a long string of painful freak accidents and injuries. The "what-ifs" and "if-onlys" can be tough for an injured athlete or their parents.
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I am trying to find people who have experienced this type of surgery and what their return was like.
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I think he will be fine. I've known several kids that suffered fractured medial epicondyle (from throwing, not from an impact injury such as yours). In each case (with and without surgical repair) the athletes experienced full recovery and had excellent throwing velocity as they matured. Neither of these kids pitched but I'm not sure that would have mattered. My recollection is that recovery was on the order of 4 months to begin throwing program and 6-8 months before game ready. PT was...
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We will do what ever is needed and will stay the course. I am just hoping my son will not lose faith and will work through the pain of therapy. He just needs to know that the outcome can be a positive situation. If he knows that, then I believe that he will be able to motivate himself. This will be a massive test of his patience, desire and toughness. He and I came up with a new saying: "There isn't but one way to eat an elephant.......one bite at a time"
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He's still very young in the scheme of things, and even though it's a bad time of year and he'll miss this season, the good news is that it's bone (which heals 100%) and the ortho said good things about his ligaments. When he's 15/16 and playing all this will be ancient history, and the break at 13 may have the effect of re-energizing his hunger.
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Sorry to hear. Just make sure he has a great PT which can be the difference maker with a long recovery.
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My son has above average ability. He is very athletic, not only in baseball but also in other sports. As a dad, you think there may be some baseball for him after high school.....maybe junior college.....maybe 4 year. Now you are just hoping he can play the game again at all and if he can't, how do you deal with this? Baseball is his love and to think it could possibly be over is a very tough pill to swallow.
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It's not the end of the world. You tell him baseball ends for everyone at some point in time. You get him to try other activities....chess, graphic design, go kart racing....whatever. Lots of stuff to do in life. I live baseball, whether my kid is playing or not, it's just an amazing game. But if it ended tomorrow we would find other things to do. It's not healthy to obsess over one thing, not even a girl, and not even a sport you/he love. If it's over it's over. I will add, that this is...
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Try to keep everything in context. He is young. I know it feels like missing 6 months or a year or whatever they recommend will set him back, but it is short in the scheme of things. You also need to make sure you are reinforcing the fact that he is more than an athlete, more than a baseball player. Kids do have to give it up all the time, and they need to realize they are valuable for a multitude of reasons that have zero to do with sports.
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Went to DR this morning for follow up and things are looking good got him out of the cast and into a lockable brace (locked at 90 degrees). Will start therapy this week or next. Will go to therapy 2-3 days a week for 4 weeks. Screw looks good and the scar was HUGE.
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There are lotions/creams to reduce the scars appearance. Visit your local pharmacy and ask for a recommendation. I have an 8 inch scar at my ankle. but am finally comfortable wearing flip flops and shorts.
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Sorry to hear about your son's injury. If he needs a little extra motivation at some point, and you're so inclined, the promise of a nice tattoo for that scar might help.