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Are you advocating forearm 'flop/lay back' backwards with your forearm at 90 degrees? Is that what MLB pitchers do? In video 3, you are advocating using weighted balls to increase your range of motion in external rotation. Why does my ROM need to increase? What is the ideal ROM angle?

Essentially, yes. And depending on what major leaguers you look it, it is what I tend to see. I would like to promote more of a focus of 90 degrees with the angle of your back, but there are guys that very on this part of mechanics. I have found that when my external rotation is at its max potential, the rest of my mechanics are where I want them to be. I will address the rest of your questions in two ways. ROM can refer to both static and dynamic ROM. A good way to tell the differences is...

Just to add two cents, most of the players I work with have too much external rotation and not enough internal rotation. Most players that develop elbow issues have this exact imbalance: Internal Rotation Deficit. Not trying to be negative or argumentative in any way, but just what I have seen over 20 years. Not sure why a player would want to create that type of imbalance of ER to IR. additionally, it is not just the shoulder (glenohumeral joint) that allows these folks to get into these...

Do you have an example of a pitcher who has that issue? I'm curious to see an example of a pitcher with that issue. Throughout the process of changing my arm action and overall mechanics, I was pretty consistently told that I have good internal rotation, when my external rotation was poor. So that is something I have little to no focus on that part of my mechanics. I also did very little research on internal research in general, so I am not very knowledgeable about the issues associated with...

Jimster- The DriveLine article you reference in your write up talks about the IR issues. Specifically the Sleeper Stretch. This is all new to me but has become a hot topic in my household since my son has developed scapular issues. He has very limited IR on his throwing arm compared to his non-throwing arm. This is typical of throwers acording to his Physical Therapist. Also he has been doing Jaeger bands 3 times a week for 2 years now and they are great for the rotator cuff, but don't do...

I remember the part the article a little. Is internal rotation lack of ROM just referencing a static stretch comparison or you're mentioning? Or is their something when those pitchers throw that show an issue too. I have read about pitchers having the issue your son is having, but I have not heard of any issues in the actual pitching motion. Similar to how I talk external rotation. You can see the level of external rotation you achieve. Is there something that you can see when you look at...

I am not sure of a way to tell in the actual throwing motion. I am just a dad and know very little about this. The PT showed his lack of IR by comparing his IR via the Sleeper Stretch on both sides. His throwing side would not rotate without his shoulder blade moving forward with it. He had done normal stuff (only 14) not heavy lifting. Pushups and light weights etc.. Unfortunately if your scapular muscles are not activating then instead of these exercises making them stronger your body...

If you're interested in finding exercises to work those muscles you can search http://exrx.net/ . A great resource for anything related to working out. And free too. That's the best part. Also check out the body map here http://exrx.net/Lists/WtMale.html You click on the areas of the body that you want to find workouts for and it will show you stuff that you can do. If you are having him do push-ups, then you can add other body weight exercises to work the upper body as well. Pull ups and...

Anybody want to take a guess on how many baseball players I've stretched into external rotation of the shoulder? Volleyball hitters? That's right--- Exactly ZERO. They already have excessive ER and by stretching it, all I would do is stress the already stressed joint..

Not everyone has excessive or complete external rotation nor am I promoting static stretching of it. Or any type of stretching. My article talks improving arm action so external rotatiom(that naturally occurs)can happen. I don't really understand the purpose of your post and it seems kind of combative. If you have seething to add to the conversation, please do. But please add comments that relate to the topic on hand. Thanks!

My son is actually in his 1st yr of JUCO, a catcher. Led the nation for a time for most homeruns, settled at #7 after his arm got to bad to play. Appeared he was being drafted, met with team several times, negotiated an offer...on/off shoulder problems since 9th grade. Missed his jr year with ulnar transposition surgery. Had a great sr year, but towards end shoulder pain increased. Dx with tendonitis (altho they did no testing). Tried to rehab that summer but pain continued. As mentioned, he...

Well my son (16 year old 6' 2" LHP HS Junior) was getting ready for the summer season of his junior year finishing up high school baseball and his shoulder started to hurt warming up one day and now a little over a week later and an MRI we found out he has some fraying/minimal tearing of part of his rotator cuff. We also found out through this process that he has extremely loose joins (ligamentous laxity) which has likely been the underlying cause of some various injuries he has had over the...

Below are some recent threads. We actually have a couple of other member sons going through shoulder surgery recovery right now. Good luck to your son. https://community.hsbaseballwe...hmore-labrum-surgery https://community.hsbaseballwe...pic/labrum-surgery-2 https://community.hsbaseballwe...fusing-shoulder-pain

Nothing to offer but my well wishes to your son and a full recovery.

Sorry to hear this and I wish him well. I'll try to give you a summarized version of my son's situation and hopefully it will provide some light at the end of the tunnel (the long version can be found here ). Everyone's journey is different, of course, and your son's injury is more severe than my son's, but the surgery and rehab process is likely very similar. My son, who is also a catcher, graduates from HS this year and tore his labrum sometime last summer. I say "sometime" because we...

best wishes to your son going forward..sounds like a great young man I think he will work hard and overcome this

Tequila- sounds as if your son has recovered well. Your story did indeed offer some extra hope, although one difference is that my son's labrum tear ended up being secondary (despite the MRI which clearly showed a significant labrum tear), his surgeon ended up discovering a full thickness rotator tear. He actually apologized for having to give us some unexpected and disappointing news. Think the worse part, is that one, this his second surgery (ulnar nerve transposition in his jr year),...

Tequila- sounds as if your son has recovered well. Your story did indeed offer some extra hope, although one difference is that my son's labrum tear ended up being secondary (despite the MRI which clearly showed a significant labrum tear), his surgeon ended up discovering a full thickness rotator tear. He actually apologized for having to give us some unexpected and disappointing news. Think the worse part, is that one, this his second surgery (ulnar nerve transposition in his jr year),...

Any updates? My 2021 catcher has surgery on Thursday for type 3. He is hoping to come back for next summer season...

Ended up being both a SLAP 3 tear AND a full thickness rotator tear, but despite issues with insurance covering PT and the therapist feeling that PT once every three weeks was perfectly a sound decision, he is doing pretty well. We moved him near his college, so he is now working with both a new PT (self-pay) and his trainer 5 days per week. They say he is ahead of schedule. I think he can begin to lightly toss a ball at 4m. Right now, its crucial he is careful, as re-injury can occur...

Los Angeles 2021 Parent- Apologize if this is sent wrong. Not most computer illiterate. How did your son fair with his surgery? My son is nearly six months out and is doing very well. We secured him an apartment near his surgeon and his school so that he can do PT 1x wk and work with his trainer (who also works at the PT prgm) 5x week. He is doing alot of cardio and lower body workouts, lost nearly 20 lbs which initially scared me. I was afraid he would not be as strong of a hitter at 199...

Los Angeles 2021....meant he is nearly 3m out...got my dates confused.

Today is 1 month since surgery. Took the sling off toady! Rehab is mostly range of motion at this point. We did get the wedge pillow! Thanks for the suggestion. Too early to say if rehab is on track or behind. That is great to hear your son is doing so well. PT is a family friend and is well acquainted with baseball rehab so that’s great—my advice is PT can vary quite a bit and we are glad to have a sport-specialist. Now if we could only get our insurance company to agree! The PT that was...

Sounds like he is doing well, great news. Funny you mentioned PT, as you know we had all kinds of issues w/that. We continue to pay out of pocket, but it's been worth it. Right now, he is followed closely by surgeon, PT and trainer. He has a very strict regime to follow, told us today he started doing push ups. Having not only a sport-specific PT, but a friend, is great, as he will always have your son's best interest in heart. Sure he'll be out enjoying some late Spring/early summer ball...

I can only offer my personal experience if it is of any help... I had a tear in the acromioclavicular joint and of the supraspinatus tendon a couple of years ago. It was a acute tear, rather than a wear issue like you are describing. My ortho gave me the option of trying rehab before doing a surgical repair, and that was the route I chose. I saw a therapist a couple of times a week for about two months, and did a ton of exercises on my own as well. Most of the work in the beginning was to...

Highly recommend you read up on anything written by Eric Cressey or Mike Reinold in regards to shoulder instability (laxity) and proper rehab/prehab for rotator cuff injuries. If your son takes great care of his arm and stays with prehab shoulder work, he will be just fine. It really is not that much extra work but takes a commitment. The problem is that most athletes revert to their old ways once an injury heals. Tell him to stick with shoulder work recommended by those in the know as long...