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Re: Do Scouts value HS baseball enough for a player to toil In a bad program

CaCO3Girl ·
A lot of good advice here. I'd like to point out that you are only young once. It's great that your son has high aspirations and he wants to improve during the HS season. However, at some point baseball ends for everyone. When his son looks at his dad's high school yearbook one day and he isn't in the baseball picture, do you think he will have regrets about that?
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WestCoastPapa ·
Also, consider the flip side. At my son's public high school here in California, the varsity baseball team has nearly 30 players on the roster. 7 players have already committed to colleges and there are AT LEAST 5-6 more that are D1/D2 caliber players. Included in this are 2 very good catchers stuck behind a stud senior D1 committed catcher.
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2020dad ·
Not sure Caco cause we don't waste the $75 to buy the yearbook!!
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2020dad ·
Can we just be honest? Nobody cares one way or another. Even if they would 'prefer' that you play HS ball if a coach thinks you are better than the other kid they will take you. If not they will take the other kid. Its that simple. Now I get that if they think the kid may flunk out or he has a criminal record etc that comes into play. But this thought that they place such a high value on character... Ok maybe for their lower end guys. But if a kid with poor character is throwing 95 he will...
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rynoattack ·
RJM - This post is so right, and exactly what Ryno is dealing with right now. His team would now probably be rated 40 - 50 in D-1, and yet, there are so many good players on the team. There are a lot of good players, and as a result, there is immense pressure on these kids to perform. They are constantly faced with, "If I don't perform, I may lose my spot." Unfortunately, Ryan has lost his, but it will be interesting to see how mentally tough he is. I believe he is, and I believe that he has...
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rynoattack ·
I agree somewhat, but let's be honest, there are a lot more guys not throwing 95, than those that do. Therefore, it does matter for most. Is it absolutely essential? No. In most cases is it the right thing to do? I think Yes.
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Golfman25 ·
I went back and checked in on a "high level" kid in our area who skipped HS baseball. He was always on the top travel teams and scout teams and, yes, HS baseball would have been a "step down" in talent. He "committed" early to a big D1 school. Never attended. Ended up at a top JUCO -- for a year. Then transferred to another JUCO. Then "committed" to another D1 school. Not on the spring roster. The kid is like a nomad -- always searching for the next thing. HS baseball could have been a good,...
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RJM ·
I disagree. If you’re a D1 prospect chances are you’re on a quality travel team. You’re seeing plenty of quality competition all summer. You’re seen by a lot more colleges coaches than playing in high school. Chances are you’re quality travel program has better college contacts than the typical high school coach.
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RJM ·
If you’re better. But after the top studs the difference between one player and the next couple hundred is minimal. Now the variables come into play. Playing or not playing high school ball is a variable.
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bacdorslider ·
I would have rather-ed PG start a league in the spring with 8 teams playing at Lake Point than to play HS baseball. HS baseball had it's place in the past. As others have said the trend is for the more advanced player to get into soccer club, Baseball Academy and so on. Every tries to deal with HS baseball because the season is short. it's become a necessary evil for some players. And before everyone gets their nose out of joint removing the elite player actually would make high school...
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Backpick25 ·
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2boydad ·
Our former travel organization formed a spring league for players who did not want to play for could not play for their HS. Some of those players played a different spring sport for their HS while playing in the spring league for baseball. Many of those players went on to college ball at all levels. Also many very good but not Power or MLB Draft player will get lost in the crowd, so your school does matter. It can be what separates you from the crowd. Just as some colleges/graduate schools...
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2019Dad ·
I heard an interesting twist on the "school program matters" theme from a mid-major pitching coach this winter. He said something like (I'm paraphrasing, but this was the gist): "It's funny, you talk to high school coach in some remote area about a kid, and the kid may be far and away the best player who has ever played there, and the coach will go completely overboard and tell you 'I think he's gonna be drafted' and you want to say to him 'Um, no, he's a marginal D1 talent.' And then you...
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CaCO3Girl ·
Only if the parents can afford it, and sometimes they can’t or think it’s ridiculous to drop 5K on a 10th graders travel ball team. Are there the hole in the wall teams that play it cheap, yes, but they aren’t well known.
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bacdorslider ·
You know I agree with a lot of what you posted. I am beginning to think that my issue is not at all with hs school baseball . My issue is with this particular program that I have been a part of for the past 10 years. That's a long time. For instance, last season we had three SEC pitchers, 1 SEC catcher, 1 C-USA pitcher and two juco players going to a Texas juco. I watched as this team and the players on it got worse as the season went along. The players did not enjoy it at all and could not...
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RJM ·
The academy route assumes a kid wants to commit to one sport. It’s what the academies demand. If a kid wants to play two sports he has to play high school ball. I’m happy all the other good athletes were there in both sports so my son could have a quality high school sports experience.
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RJM ·
If a player is a D1prospect and can help a travel team win he doesn’t have to worry about cost. Some team will find a way to cover the costs.
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Golfman25 ·
Tell that to my friends who unexpectedly won the state championship
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TPM ·
You know what, the more that they learn about some parents of the players they are recruiting, the less impressed they are. Works both ways, be careful.
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Backpick25 ·
I get it. We all have pride and are proud of the players accomplishments and love to see great players do big things in the game. Attitude and effort are the things players can control. Coaches can sometimes get in the way but seldom determine the outcome of the game if the players control the controllables. Bottom line, we don’t have to like the HS program but we have to respect it and the folks that run them. I won’t get into pay....... that’s another topic as there are just as many or...
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RJM ·
If you only look at the end goal and don’t enjoy the journey you will have missed out on a lot along the way. It can all end quickly by injury so enjoy every moment.
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CaCO3Girl ·
Usually I agree with 99% of what you say, but youth baseball has become such a big business I just haven't seen this altruistic attitude. I would call a 10th grader in the mid 80's with movement a D1 prospect and there are more than a handful that aren't playing on quality teams in GA because the cost is just too high. Then again the cost is supposed to be high when you play 7+ PG events. However, to be a quality team you have to play the best competition, the best competition is at PG, PG...
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bacdorslider ·
I have no idea what that statement is supposed to mean.... tell your friends what? Every year some team is going to win the state championship in all levels, in all states , in all sports..... Its great to win...
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Goosegg ·
CAco, I understand the frustration. We all operate within a budget - some have more revenues coming in, others have different priorities, others have multiple children, etc., which limit the unlimited amount which could be spent in this race. I understand a kid wanting to play for the best travel team; but at the cost your referencing? Wow. While baseball is off in the rear view mirror for our family, I will note - again - that my son didn't play on a travel ball team past 9th grade; and,...
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TPM ·
Coach son drove about 500 miles yesterday to watch 2 pitchers in HS games. One was at one of top 5 HS in country, the other not sure about. He didn't go to see who won or who lost he went to see the pitchers " stuff". How the pitcher prepares in the pen how he interacts in the dugout with teammates, his demeanor on the mound, etc. He determines whether the player has potential according to his standards for the program he works for. Both of these pitchers reached out to the HC for...
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TPM ·
GOOSEGG, Was replying when you were. You are 100% correct, coaches don't recruit teams, they recruit players. I am a big believer that you don't have to be on a high profile team or break the bank doing showcases to get a scholarship. Usually it just becomes an excuse when the parent sees others getting offers early. I would concentrate on what's important, which might mean contacting programs that fit the players skills. Way to many want to play on programs that they will get lost at.
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BaseballBUDDY ·
All, Paying big $$ to play for teams attending big events means zip, if you don't understand how to maneuver/market Johnny before, during, and after the events. The youth sports industry focuses on their clients: PARENTS Recruiters and Scouts are looking for ATHELETES. Pay $$ for DEVELOPMENT of skills, SAT prep, Baseball Etiquette. My wife and I guide families (no fees) through the process based on a request of our Johnny, who noticed the fall off of good players as he advanced. We're in the...
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RJM ·
The kid who makes a difference helps bring in more paying customers. The really good teams mostly create rosters by invite. But I’ve seen demand create B teams. Regardless of what I think of B and C teams it’s more paying customers.
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RJM ·
Winning travel teams don’t make top players. Top players make travel teams win. I’m pro travel. It was a great experience. But so was high school ball. I figure if a talented kid wants to play college ball at the right level he will find a way to make it happen regardless of where he plays. Note: “Wants” does not mean “wishes.” A player can wish all he wants and nothing will happen. Wanting something to happen involves effort. For some, more effort than others.
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RJM ·
Why play high school sports? I’ve been watching a lot of the high school state tournament basketball. In an interview a kid from the state championship team seemed overwhelmed by winning. When asked the kid said all he ever wanted to do was win the state championship. Now that he’s done it he realizes it’s more about the teammates he’s had, some since he was playing rec ball who he will never play with again. Embrace the moment!
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Scotty83 ·
My sons new coaches came in with a no cut policy. They are trying to build up the program and want as many kids as possible. So that left us with some pretty bad players. One kid a senior who had never touched a baseball or bat before coming out. He said he had went all through HS and never really did anything and wanted to do at least one thing. My son, the only kid on the entire team that plays any kind of ball during the summer, and the only kid that has any dream of playing beyond HS,...
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Scotty83 ·
I was at a college camp this fall and a bunch of us dads were sitting around talking baseball. One of the topics was how shocked we all were that your sons program didn't make it out of the district with all that talent. Heck I don't know you or anyone in that program and I feel frustrated hahahaha. I can't imagine how yaw feel.
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RJM ·
I’ve always felt more kids would have a good time playing sports if their parents would stop telling them they’re not having a good time.
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RJM ·
I remember my father asking me about my junior high football team if Blood, Sweat and Tears was a band or the name of our team. We only had four players good enough to play in high school. Only one was a lineman. The other three of us ran for our lives. I was an option QB with no blocking. I didn’t cut upfield often. My job was to pitch the ball at the last second as I got drilled in the chest. We went 1-7. Ironically our only win was against Our Ladies. I think the entire name was Our Lady...
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bacdorslider ·
Things I over heard at last nights a high school game.... I do not know what some of these things mean..... " did you see that field umpires head?" " that kids a tool" "Well I guess we will have to practice that so more. " he launch that pup" "really dude you a hacker for sure"? "shut up sophomore " after the game, during the congratulatory hand shake..." good game, good game, good game, hey good hit, hey do ya'll play fortnite?" I have been missing out on all the free comedy by actually...
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Scott Munroe ·
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FoxDad ·
You should hear a college team dugout........
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3and2Fastball ·
I've come around on this topic in a couple of months. Increasingly in Wisconsin we are seeing high school players not playing for their high school and instead playing in a Travel Spring League. 2 months ago I would have said it was a mistake. Now, I understand it. The reality is, here in Wisconsin, because of weather related issues, the "season" gets condensed into 3-4 weeks. Most of April gets rained out or snowed out, or you are playing in 40 degree weather. Then in May, because of all...
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fenwaysouth ·
3and2Fastball, You know your area and market best. Get a lot of facts (which is sounds like you've done) and talk to people who've done it. Then make a decision on what to do. As I've said on HSBBWeb before there are so many paths to get to the same goal. Your son has to find his path. My son made his own path despite many obstacles and tough decisions. Stick with what make sense and what your son wants to do....that is the key. BTW...the college coaches that recruited my son appreciated him...
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Ja'Crispy ·
Same weather situation here in Chicagoland. It is impossible some weeks to get games in and if they do it is miserable weather to try to play good baseball. We have thought a lot about having my 2020 play spring travel in Wisconsin. The game schedule where you are guaranteed to play in good conditions and the fact that the schedule allows for homework and getting to get strength and speed workouts during the week are big draws for me. The thing that has kept us from making the jump from HS...
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3and2Fastball ·
JA'CRISPY - yes, the Hitters Spring League in the Milwaukee area. I've talked to a few players and their parents who have played in that league (and are in it this spring) and they love it. Good competition, well organized, the ability to get games in inside. In mid April they had already gotten in 20+ games where the high schools had only gotten in 3. With an entire month's worth of games to play. The games draw college scouts as well as MLB scouts. Factor in the time limitations of a...
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Buckeye 2015 ·
If a HS kid has "time limitations" that make it tough to practice for 2 hours M-F he'd better figure it out if he has any thoughts of playing in college lol. 3 hour practices (minimum), lifting, study table for freshman........weekday game that means leaving school at 10am and getting back at 9pm. Weekend trip that leaves Thursday afternoon or Friday morning and getting back Monday morning at 4am with class at 8. And yes, there is still class and a lot more homework than HS to fit in.
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Ja'Crispy ·
3 and 2 I agree with everything you said plus Hitters definitely draw the above. That's where we would play if we decide to go that way with spring travel. I am glad that those players are enjoying moving to spring travel instead of HS. This carries some weight in my mind and sounds like yours as well. Three games so far this year in HS would be brutal and would be hard to say that it is worth it. This year I was leaning more toward going to travel while my son wanted to keep playing with...
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3and2Fastball ·
Buckeye - more that in addition to the 2 hour practices at the high school, a kid who is preparing for D1 Baseball, high level travel ball and showcases also needs another 2+ hours (plus transportation time) to get in weightlifting, individual batting practice and glove work. Factor in the desire/need to get a 3.6+ GPA. Can't skimp on sleep and proper nutrition as that could/would stunt growth. Strongly agree that any kid lacking the motivation to put in extra work has an easy decision. Just...
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Ja'Crispy ·
I definitely agree with that. My 2017 son had early early morning college practice this spring. He had to wake up at 4am to make it to the field by 430 am to start. Once finished had to get to 8 am classes. I have never heard or seen him more tired in his life. I have given my younger son the "this is nothing compared to college" speech many times but as a parent that still has to drive a 15yo around it is nice to have some free time in my life as well.
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Iowamom23 ·
Two words: Summer baseball. It's sunny and 80 for our pre-season scrimmages. Rain will be a factor in our season that starts Memorial Day weekend, but snow won't (probably).
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cabbagedad ·
3and2, I get what you are saying and there are many credible points. Here's one irony to consider, though... Part of what you are proposing is for a kid to avoid the season that is shortened by weather, avoid injury potential, due in part to condensing games to fit in the season, etc., so that a player can focus on getting better and stronger for the opportunity to play in college. Well, guess what... colleges all over the Plains, Midwest, Northeast, etc., deal with exactly the same thing.
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Zia2021 ·
I apologize in advance if you have answered this in a previous thread, but how does Iowa's HS summer season affect player's availability for travel ball during the summer?
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3and2Fastball ·
Couldn't find a picture of Hitters' facility, but here is Stiks, in the Milwaukee suburbs. Similar facility. 40 foot ceilings, full size infield. Not perfect for indoor games, especially for outfielders (!), but better than not being able to play, or playing outdoors in 39 degree weather.
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